just do a message board search.. and you don;t have to be fit or tone or big even... just intent on hurting someone... let me ask you this cause I don't know you personally and you don't know me personally..

Have you ever been in a situation yourself as to where deadly force was your last option to stop the threat?


have you been up close and personal on a criminal who is full blown intent on killing someone?

I dunno call me old fashon but I am not taking a stun gun to a gun fight.. sorry... I to have seen a many man fall from stun gun but the fact still remains that it's not 100% and I have personally seen with my own eyes a 19 year old kid hit not once but twice and laughed it off belive it or not it was the mace that took him down... that and brute force.. bottom line is this... if I were a deranged killer you would not stand a chance with a stun gun vs. my HK theres no way unless you blindside me or something... I run through tac drills all the time.. I have been trained.. in fact ask DJ areik on here is is fmr law enforcement and in real life situations they just don't cut it.. thats why there called "less than lethal" ok if stun guns were the best thing since sliced cheese then officers would have no need for their sidearm correct? there is one weapon known to man that has been around a long time and will stay around a long time thats a handgun and proper training with that handgun...


now as far as training goes.. you need not possess ANYTHING that can cause bodily harm to a human being unless your ready to deticate time and training to using that weapon... I am a firm supporter of hand guns but I also think that you should be required by law to do at least 50hours training with that handgun a year bottom line.. if you can't sacrafice that much time to learning a weapon then don't own one and take your chances...

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006..._409_13_06.txt taser didn;t work

Not every officer is eager to strap on a Taser. Seattle officer Adrian Diaz said he would rather trust his martial-arts skills than the new device.

"I'm very cautious when it comes to a new tool," he said.

He remains unconvinced even though he went through Taser training and was knocked down when he was shot with one.

"We have cases where it just doesn't stop everybody," Diaz said.

Even officers who swear by Tasers know they are far from perfect. The darts allow just a single shot, sometimes they miss, sometimes people fight through the painful shock, and on occasion, nothing happens at all.

"My faith in my Taser has been shaken," one deputy wrote in a December 2003 report after two Taser shots failed to drop a mentally ill woman threatening to cut herself with a paring knife.

And then there are the high-profile incidents -- the deaths of people shot with Tasers and complaints of abuse filed by others.

Despite all that, many officers from the 1,200-member Seattle Police Department to the 45-member Lynnwood Police Department want the devices.

full story here

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/...asercop30.html

I rest my case even law enforcement officers will say they don't drop everyone... at the beg of the story a 220lbs man droped like a fly but the woman held her ground because she was "INTENT" following through with her intentions...

and another one



Officer Inklebarger's Taser failed to work because both "darts" failed to go into the man's skin due to a loose jacket he was wearing. Davis, a Taser instructor, shot the probes into his leg, where jeans provided a solid entry.


http://blogs.kitsapsun.com/kitsap/cr...in_action.html