Bloomer

qxm

I'm not too clear on this legal mombo-jombo.... so does that mean that I need to have a link from my TGP to the sponsors 2257? or what do I need to do to my tgps?

Could anyone explain in plain English just what is it that we are required to do?

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GatorB

If you are hosting the conent it means that you have to have a copy of the 2257 info yourself. You also have to have a link somewhere that they can click that shows your name, business address, phone number and hours of operation so they can come and check your records if need be.

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who fucking cares

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abshard

What if your site is text with only links to galleries?

Bloomer

Web Sites

The court also accepted the government's construction that keeping "a copy of the URL associated with [a] depiction" means the textual information designating where the depiction can be found. Therefore, "a copy of the URL" simply means where the image is located, for example, www.abc.com/pictures/12345.

YOUR STILL RESPONSABLE

abshard

You mean if i link to the actual picture or to an html page with pictures on it?

Bloomer

If its your site within the U.S. boarders then you are RESPONSABLE for a URL to EVERY picture your sites text links represtent regardless

abshard

So it doesnt matter if you link to the picture

or your just linking to an html page with pictures on it

there is a difference.

If that goes into effect paysites will have to send 2257 docs to all US affiliates that simply link to them.

Lycanthrope

Please stop spreading false information.

Read that paragraph again. If it still doesn't make sense, read it again, and again, and again...

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GatorB

That's not true. You have to have actual content on your site.

A) Pic on your site hosted on your site you need 2257 info

B) pic on your site hosted elsewhere, you need 2257 info

C) text link on you site leading to pics not hosted on your site. No 2257 info needed.

If I'm wrong show me. Because a text link is not publishing content. That'd be like Penthouse needing 2257 docs before publishing one of thier Penthouse Letters.

fuhkinglou

Which paragraph?

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yota71

You read that incorrectly,

When they are talking about being responsible for (copies) they are talking about copies of the actual pictures. Not the Link, I't is confusing....

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GatorB

If the galleries aren't hosted by you in anyway then your fine. It's the galleries owners who are responsible for the 2257 docs.

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Bloomer

This is not false information at all it mearly states you must have a copy of any URL for each depiction.

Read back and rethink on what the actual webmaster who runs such a site though is still responsible for:
a producer is in compliance so long as the records are accompanied by an identifiable copy of each depiction (such as one copy of an entire DVD library for a DVD manufacturer or one copy of the entire Web site for a webmaster).

Being a webmaster makes you a producer hence you are RESPONSIBLE!

GatorB

Say you have 100 pcis on your site. Then the government wants to know specifically WHERE these pics are located. So if your site is a called XYZporn.com and you keep all your pics in a folder called "images" and your images are named pic01.jpg, pic02.jpg etc etc. Then the URLs they are looking for would be.

http://xyzporn.com/images/pic01.jpg
http://xyzporn.com/images/pic02.jpg

etc etc.

GatorB

It is false, because if I have site that is all text and I'm not hosting ANY content, then I don't have to have any 2257 docs.

Bloomer

this is a new possible ruling not last years.

Bloomer

you are still a producer by means of the internet

yota71

I would think this will cause more problems for submitters than tgp/mgp owners?

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Bloomer

"a copy of the >>>>URL <<<<associated with [a] depiction"
Nothing confusing here to me.

GatorB

I've read it already. I'm one step ahead of you. Show me where I'm wrong.

GatorB

Obviously it is.

Listen nitwit, if you are hosting the actual content then each pic is required to have a DISCRIPTION in your 2257 docs. It's that description that needs to be associated with url to the actual pic.

Bloomer

Look Im not saying you are all this 2257 stuff is really confusing you have to read between the lines.
I just wish they would give it a rest with this crap already!

GatorB

yes. Except for those TGPs that show a thumb then they too are also required to have the 2257 info.

Bloomer

running an adult website is hosting actual content.

GatorB

They are talking about VISUAL CONTENT not text. If I ran a "sex story" site I wouldn't need 2257 docs. According to you I would

If I'm just LINKING to conent I'm not HOSTING it.

Bloomer

So what your saying is that even though I run an adult website Im going to be totally exempt from any kind of new rulings as long as it is a text site .

Well in that case either we should all just switch over to text sites and not worry about any of this until they knock on our door and ask us for 2257 documentation.

At that point Ill refer them back to this thread and tell them that you said it was ok to do it without proper docs

GatorB

Yes. 2257 is about making sure models in content are at least 18( supposedly that's what the law is about ) If you do not have any content then how are you responsible for anything?

They won't.

Go ahead I'm right.

abshard

Bloomer i think the way you understand the law 7-11 will need 2257 for every porn mag they sell and direct tv will need 2257 for the porn they offer.

Bloomer

Look Im not going to argue with you on what you say about it first of all because to a certain extent we are both right on this.
Secondly we dont make the laws in the U.S. and I strictly erge people that read this thread to read the law not what anyone on this thread has to say.
Thirdly if the law does in fact go through which it hasnt yet who the fuck is going to want to trade with american text sites when the rest of the world runs TGPs and Blogs?

Bloomer

I certainly dont see it in plain understandable english that they wont.
And oh you forgot about hosts and search engines.

Evil E

What a crock of shit.


Workarounds:

1- Use text links
2- Use thumb that has no porn(only face of the girl or clothed)

This is seriously getting ridiculous.
I'm glad i'm not in the us.

My question is for non us citizens that host in the US...
If 2257 is not provided, could the hosting company be inspected for 2257?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but most of the porn is hosted in the US even the webmasters are from out of the country.

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Bloomer

Thats the way I see it as well.
If you are a hosting company within the U.S. border then sure I think this would so apply.

StarkReality

Loads of confusion, I think it means:

If you show any pics/thumbs/vids on your site (your domain, your URL) you are a secondary producer. I think there is no doubt about this part.

As a secondary producer, you need to have physical (or digital?) copies of the 2257 docs and have them archived for inspection. A link to a page with a 2257 statement is not sufficient from what I read, but the primary producer "may obliterate from identification documents the performers' addresses, social security numbers and all but the year from their dates of birth."

So, you have to get the docs from the sponsor or content provider, but they blank out some data before.

You need to have a (digital?) copy of every image/movie you use archived somewhere and create a reference under which URL this picture/video can be found. Pretty much common sense, makes the inspection alot easier since they can check all pics/vids, see where they are on your site and have a look at the corresponding docs. Otherwise they'd end up with a nice "guess who and where" game.

The thing that really worries me is the "Foreign Identification": "shooting within the United States or its territories requires that same type of identification, but only issued by the United States or a state government."

So, does that mean you can only shoot foreign models outside the US because they have no United States or or a state government ID ? State government doesn't mean foreign country governement, right ?! I think so, shooting a czech model in prague is ok, shooting her in the US is not.

Evil E

If this is the case, then be prepared for US hosting companies to BAN Adult content or charge way more for it.


Is there anyone here who really understands the 2257 implications here that could clarify this?

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StarkReality

No, hosters are neither primary nor secondary producers because they didn't create (primary) or publish (secondary) the content, all they do is offering a platform for primary and secondary producers.

GatorB

Hosting companies are exempt.

Evil E

What about a non-US webmaster that hosts his stuff on US servers?



Technically, the webmaster is not bound to 2257 as a secondary producer, because he's not from US and the Hosting company is not bound to it because it's not a producer.



Now if that is the case, that could probably be a little looplhole.

Could us webmasters register a company(moral person) outside of the US, and use it as a channel to bypass the 2257?

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GatorB

I'm right on all of it. You're right on the parts you agree with me on.

Fact is if you run a TEXT ONLY TGP and have ZERO visual content on your site then you do not have to have any 2257 docs. What is so fucking hard for you to understand about this.

Go to GOOGLE and type in PORN. Now yo get over a million TEXT LINKS to porn site. Now you are sersiouly telling me that Google needs to get the 2257 docs on all the content on all the pages they have links to? THINK!!!!

GatorB

If you don't have the 2257 info then the US government can have the host cut you off. So my suggestion is either comply or find non-US hosting.

If he wants to live outside the US for the rest of his life and enver come back. Ask Americans that run offshore gambling sites.

GatorB

And isn't that what a TEXT ONLY TGP is doing?

Bloomer

Nothing is hard to understand here but what is so hard to understand about this?

any time after May 1, 2007, the court may rule that secondary producers are required to have copies of the records, have them indexed, and be subject to inspections.

Now I am as a WEBMASTER WITH TGPS A SECONDARY PRODUCER!!!!

So are alot of other people SECONDARY PRODUCERS!!!!!!

WE DONT LIKE TEXT SITES!

Bloomer

Excuse me here are you affiliated with HOSTHEAD and if so whats your take on this?

Wouldnt that mean that you would be hosting adult natured material and if so wouldnt you also have to comply to this new 2257 law by keeping records too?

FightThisPatent

and the problem you would have, is if they said, where did pic01.jpg come from? you need to be able to tell them, that pic came from content producer XYZ.

This is where a spreadsheet of URLS in one column and content producer in another would solve this inquiry issue.

or, put some kind of coding of the content producer in the filename or the folder.

So many just dump images into a folder or don't have any naming conventions, or recordkeeping....

ALot of companies spent alot of money and time getting 2257 compliant. It isn't easy nor cheap, but it has to be done.. and once you clean up your stuff to document things, it will be easier going forward.



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why do they have to do that?

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Bloomer

Yes exactly and there are alot of 2257 software programs that make this work alot easier.

The more organized you are the safer you are!