To Zango or not to Zango? - GoFuckYourself.com

PowerCum · 03-29-2007, 12:38 PM

First of all, I want o make clear that I don't like Zango and other adware stuff... but these thingies are here to stay and will not go away just because you don't like them.
Also as a side note, I got a greenpeace Zango popup on one of my sites this morning, so that made me think about the real situation and not about what I like/dislike.

Also I don't like the practice some programs do about banning Zango using affiliates and then keep the money for themselves. Like it or not, Zango brings sales... lots of them if you know how to use it. And let me tell you a scret... lots of small program owners would kill to have someone promote them using Zango, specially if he is able to make 50 sales per day. They can bann the Zango affiliate after that and keep 100% of the revenue, but that's also not very fair.
This is probably the main reason why Zango will not go away tomorrow nor within the next months.

From the other hand, affiliates get really pissed if some program uses Zango and ends overriding their promo codes. They have 100% reason to get pissed and I would be also pissed if the same happened to me.
But things are that there will be always Zango or similar tool there and it will be used more and more.

Now I have come with some middle kind of solution. Instead of ignoring the problem and looking to the other side like there is absolutely no problem or screaming like a little girl, I have put myself on work and got this possible solution:

Make twin paysites to be used for Zango and such stuff promotion. These paysites will be promotable by invte. Basically a copy of the main paysite where willing affiliates can send their Zango, torrent or other kind of non standard traffic and make sales.
The main sites will be available to standard affiliates (galleris, TGP submitters etc...) and as adware and similar traffic does not go there. They will never get their affiliate codes overriden.

Of course,there must be some rules to guarantee fair play and that no one will put zango popups for the twin site on the main sites:
1 ) Anyone promoting the twin sites popping up Zangos on the main sites will get his account banned and his earnings will be distributed between all the affilites promoting the main site as long as they have made one or more sales during that period. His signups will be just assigned directly to the main sites affiliates as they will be considered their own signups. This also solves the account shutdown and program keeps all the money problem. also makes sure that no affiliates signup amking no promotion nor sales just wanting the Zango affiliates to get shutdown and get some checks for doing nothing.
2 ) Any affiliate wanting to use non standard traffic tools (Zango, torrents, p2p, etc...) can ask for invite to the twin sites promotion ring, so they can send their traffic to these sites.

To those ready to jump to the "this or that is illegal" bandwagon let me explain you that torrents p2p and Zango are not illegal in lots of countries. What is illegal is to share copyrighted information.
Also this is just an idea about a possible solution. Lots of people will not be happy with it and others will be ok. It's not that you can make a solution that will make everyoone happy. But one thing is sure.. with this system affiliates will not get screwed the way they are screwed at the moment.

Feel free to discuss... flame and sig whore

spacedog · 03-29-2007, 12:51 PM

Sorry.. Don't work like that.

Affilliate A promotes Paysite X & has links on his site going to Paysite X with keywords Fucking Cunts

Affiliate B buys traffic from Zango for keyword Fucking Cunts to send traffic to Paysite X.

Zango infected surfer visits website of Affiliate A.
Zango sniffs keyword Fucking Cunts & pops up ad for Paysite X with affiliate ID of Affiliate B.

This is popped OVER & in FRONT of affiliate A's website.

BlackCrayon · 03-29-2007, 02:23 PM

huge difference between zango type programs and torrents and p2p. if the way zango works becomes illegal, which hopefully it will eventually then US companies dealing with these offshore companies who take zangos place can be held liable. why just accept that its "here to stay"? viruses are here to stay so why don't you take advantage of that too?

VicD · 03-29-2007, 03:56 PM

It takes two to Z***O

SmokeyTheBear · 03-29-2007, 04:00 PM

lol i think you misunderstand how zango works. zango doesn't "promote" anything it doesnt "increase" anyones sales unless your directly stealing them from your competition...

And yes sure you can make good money stealing your competitions customers.. You could also make good money if you just bought a club and waited outside a store and hit all the customers on the head and stole their wallets. much simpler and more profitable..

SmokeyTheBear · 03-29-2007, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

huge difference between zango type programs and torrents and p2p. if the way zango works becomes illegal, which hopefully it will eventually then US companies dealing with these offshore companies who take zangos place can be held liable. why just accept that its "here to stay"? viruses are here to stay so why don't you take advantage of that too?

legality is decided in the courts of law it just hasnt been prosecuted yet..

read below and decide for yourself..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trespass_to_chattels

they have already been arrested and plead guilty in the past to charges related to the adware.

StuBradley · 03-29-2007, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vicd

It takes two to Z***O

Pleasurepays · 03-29-2007, 11:34 PM

its one thing to use it as an affiliate... its another thing completely to use it as a webmaster program, bid on your affiliates URLs as keywords and then rob money from your own affiliates.

PowerCum · 03-30-2007, 12:54 PM

Perhaps I have been poorly informed about how Zango works.
I thought it only pops a popup if the site is promoting them or affiliated with them in some way. My wrong. the rest of the time i thought it was working like a kind of an alternative browser.

Let me correct the initial statement then and say it's the "standard" adware where there are no popups the way Zango does it and it can be removed by just clicking on the remove program button.
You know all these adware program like the ones adding nice icons to your desktop but also setting your main page to something else and adding some extra bookmarks. I was more interested in these and my post was mainly directed for such stuff.
From the normail gallery submitting affiliate these would also seem unfair (at least they look unfair to me) because they place bookmarks and stuff. I personally consider this kind of traffic a different ballpark where galleries submitting affiliates have considerably reduced chance to win.
My twin sites idea was intended for that kind of stuff. This way normal affiliates will never have to compete with bookmarks creating adware because they will be promoting a different site even if the content is the same in the members area.

In this list I include opt-in email lists, torrent sites, p2p adds, non intrusive toolbars, alternative browsers and such kind of stuff.
And of course these is no place for virses, spyware and adware that doesn't come with remove option in this list.

Now that it has been made clear that I'm not talking abount an affiliate code suplantation tool, please post your opinions.

Thank you for the feedback.

03-29-2007, 12:38 PM	#1
PowerCum CjOverkill Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Woldwide Posts: 1,328	To Zango or not to Zango? First of all, I want o make clear that I don't like Zango and other adware stuff... but these thingies are here to stay and will not go away just because you don't like them. Also as a side note, I got a greenpeace Zango popup on one of my sites this morning, so that made me think about the real situation and not about what I like/dislike. Also I don't like the practice some programs do about banning Zango using affiliates and then keep the money for themselves. Like it or not, Zango brings sales... lots of them if you know how to use it. And let me tell you a scret... lots of small program owners would kill to have someone promote them using Zango, specially if he is able to make 50 sales per day. They can bann the Zango affiliate after that and keep 100% of the revenue, but that's also not very fair. This is probably the main reason why Zango will not go away tomorrow nor within the next months. From the other hand, affiliates get really pissed if some program uses Zango and ends overriding their promo codes. They have 100% reason to get pissed and I would be also pissed if the same happened to me. But things are that there will be always Zango or similar tool there and it will be used more and more. Now I have come with some middle kind of solution. Instead of ignoring the problem and looking to the other side like there is absolutely no problem or screaming like a little girl, I have put myself on work and got this possible solution: Make twin paysites to be used for Zango and such stuff promotion. These paysites will be promotable by invte. Basically a copy of the main paysite where willing affiliates can send their Zango, torrent or other kind of non standard traffic and make sales. The main sites will be available to standard affiliates (galleris, TGP submitters etc...) and as adware and similar traffic does not go there. They will never get their affiliate codes overriden. Of course,there must be some rules to guarantee fair play and that no one will put zango popups for the twin site on the main sites: 1 ) Anyone promoting the twin sites popping up Zangos on the main sites will get his account banned and his earnings will be distributed between all the affilites promoting the main site as long as they have made one or more sales during that period. His signups will be just assigned directly to the main sites affiliates as they will be considered their own signups. This also solves the account shutdown and program keeps all the money problem. also makes sure that no affiliates signup amking no promotion nor sales just wanting the Zango affiliates to get shutdown and get some checks for doing nothing. 2 ) Any affiliate wanting to use non standard traffic tools (Zango, torrents, p2p, etc...) can ask for invite to the twin sites promotion ring, so they can send their traffic to these sites. To those ready to jump to the "this or that is illegal" bandwagon let me explain you that torrents p2p and Zango are not illegal in lots of countries. What is illegal is to share copyrighted information. Also this is just an idea about a possible solution. Lots of people will not be happy with it and others will be ok. It's not that you can make a solution that will make everyoone happy. But one thing is sure.. with this system affiliates will not get screwed the way they are screwed at the moment. Feel free to discuss... flame and sig whore __________________ CjOverkill Traffic Trading Script Free, secure and fast traffic trading script. Get your copy now

03-29-2007, 02:23 PM	#3
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	huge difference between zango type programs and torrents and p2p. if the way zango works becomes illegal, which hopefully it will eventually then US companies dealing with these offshore companies who take zangos place can be held liable. why just accept that its "here to stay"? viruses are here to stay so why don't you take advantage of that too? __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

03-29-2007, 04:00 PM	#5
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	lol i think you misunderstand how zango works. zango doesn't "promote" anything it doesnt "increase" anyones sales unless your directly stealing them from your competition... And yes sure you can make good money stealing your competitions customers.. You could also make good money if you just bought a club and waited outside a store and hit all the customers on the head and stole their wallets. much simpler and more profitable.. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-30-2007, 12:54 PM	#9
PowerCum CjOverkill Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Woldwide Posts: 1,328	Perhaps I have been poorly informed about how Zango works. I thought it only pops a popup if the site is promoting them or affiliated with them in some way. My wrong. the rest of the time i thought it was working like a kind of an alternative browser. Let me correct the initial statement then and say it's the "standard" adware where there are no popups the way Zango does it and it can be removed by just clicking on the remove program button. You know all these adware program like the ones adding nice icons to your desktop but also setting your main page to something else and adding some extra bookmarks. I was more interested in these and my post was mainly directed for such stuff. From the normail gallery submitting affiliate these would also seem unfair (at least they look unfair to me) because they place bookmarks and stuff. I personally consider this kind of traffic a different ballpark where galleries submitting affiliates have considerably reduced chance to win. My twin sites idea was intended for that kind of stuff. This way normal affiliates will never have to compete with bookmarks creating adware because they will be promoting a different site even if the content is the same in the members area. In this list I include opt-in email lists, torrent sites, p2p adds, non intrusive toolbars, alternative browsers and such kind of stuff. And of course these is no place for virses, spyware and adware that doesn't come with remove option in this list. Now that it has been made clear that I'm not talking abount an affiliate code suplantation tool, please post your opinions. Thank you for the feedback. __________________ CjOverkill Traffic Trading Script Free, secure and fast traffic trading script. Get your copy now

03-29-2007, 12:51 PM	#2
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	Sorry.. Don't work like that. Affilliate A promotes Paysite X & has links on his site going to Paysite X with keywords Fucking Cunts Affiliate B buys traffic from Zango for keyword Fucking Cunts to send traffic to Paysite X. Zango infected surfer visits website of Affiliate A. Zango sniffs keyword Fucking Cunts & pops up ad for Paysite X with affiliate ID of Affiliate B. This is popped OVER & in FRONT of affiliate A's website.

03-29-2007, 03:56 PM	#4
VicD ICQ: 304-611-162 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Masterdam Posts: 13,245	It takes two to Z***O

03-29-2007, 11:34 PM	#8
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	its one thing to use it as an affiliate... its another thing completely to use it as a webmaster program, bid on your affiliates URLs as keywords and then rob money from your own affiliates.