Upgrading to Windows Vista has been banned by the U.S. Department of Transportation

[just a punk]

Are you still thinking on upgrading to Vista? Read this then:
http://aaxnet.com/editor/edit043.html
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columni...problems_N.htm
http://www.computerworld.com/action/...leId=901 2140
http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=198000229
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl...44209&from=rss
http://www.dailytechnobabble.com/200...g-like-a-rock/

And course don't forget about this one: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...ista_cost.html

Happy upgrading!

[bobby666]

i am so glad that i am a mac user

[dtoolbox]

you can upgrade to vista for free

FREE Express Upgrade to Windows Vista

enjoy

[5pm]

Originally Posted by bobby666

i am so glad that i am a mac user

Word!

I Love my mac

[Masterchief]

it doesn't really matter...flash forward 5 years everyone will be running vista and the same complainers will be crying about how they're sticking with Vista instead of going with whatever new OS microsoft is releasing then...

[NewbieNudes]

Vista has been a godsend for my PC. Runs faster than XP and is soooo much more stable. Seems like they have finally got windows to use all the available ram and actually release it again when you close apps.

I can't reccomend going to Vista enough.

[Praguer]

Major problems there. A quote from, one of the articles:
\

".....I was trying to set up a daily backup, simply copying all my stuff from one hard drive to a second one, without any kind of compression.

Vista stores all my documents and settings in a single folder called /users/AK. So all I had to do was back up that entire folder.

I tried Microsoft's own RoboCopy tool. It gave me an error. I tried 2BrightSparks's (also excellent) SyncBack. Another error. I tried a neat one I found called Karen's Replicator. Ditto.

All three had the same problem: A path was too long. I apparently had too many nested folders.

I looked more closely and found the problem. They were all trying to back up C:\users\AK\Application Data \Application Data \Application Data \Application Data ? and so on, ad infinitum"

Scary

[Ravage]

There was no reason to upgrade to Vista from XP. Hell, there was no reason to upgrade from W2K to XP, unless you were a gamer.

Stick with XP. It will still be supported for quite a while. Nobody needs DX10. There's only 1 video card out on the market that supports DX10.

Stick it out, you don't need Vista right now. Let M$ screw it up more before fixing it, then go get it if you really need it.

PS - You won't.

[Praguer]

More fun:

Vista and its companion programs, Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 7, offer precious little Windows users want beyond what's in Windows XP, but plenty they don't want.

A confusing new user interface. Vista actually reduces user productivity according to a consulting firm's study (V7).

Blamed for so many security problems, Microsoft has placed security responsibility right where it doesn't belong, squarely on the shoulders of the average user. Confusing security pop-up dialogs are so common users get used to just hitting "Yes" automatically to everything, including malware.

Most existing software is not compatible with Vista. You will have to purchase upgrades to almost all the software you run and many programs will never be upgraded to Vista.

It's an exercise in frustration to try to upgrade an XP computer to Vista. Few Vista drivers are available except for new devices designed for Vista, and manufacturers don't plan any.

Even many current printers don't have Vista drivers, and many never will. Developing Vista drivers and getting them approved by Microsoft is just too expensive.

Vista is effectively a Windows price increase. Vista Home Basic, shipped with lower cost consumer market computers, is rather minimal, This often forces a $79 upgrade to Home Premium (equivalent to Windows XP Media Center) or Ultimate for $139. Vista's built-in Anytime Upgrade handles that - have your credit card ready. Actually all versions are on the machine but must be "activated".

Vista Activation is a hassle and failure prone, but Microsoft says they'll be turning the screws down even tighter due to rampant piracy already taking place. This does little harm to the pirates, just to legitimate users (V5).

Vista Activation, should it fail or be aborted, phones home to Microsoft with enough details to identify your computer and possibly your location (V3).

Vista's much ballyhooed security has already been shattered in various ways, and Microsoft's One Care, intended to protect Vista from malware, has scored at the very bottom in independent tests of anti-malware programs (V2).

Microsoft's draconian DRM (Digital Rights Management) features not only interfere with your enjoyment of entertainment media you have purchased, but force you to have a much more powerful and expensive machine just to achieve XP level performance (V14).

Windows Update is now mandatory. What's wrong with that? You have no defense against patches that break other stuff. Worse, Microsoft has promised the media moguls they will cripple your computer if any DRM problems are found with your computer's hardware or drivers - this by Windows Update, of course (V14).

Microsoft president Steve Ballmer said Vista was so good a service pack would not be needed. Service Pack 1 went into "critical" development even before Vista's public release at the end of January. There are flaws aplenty.

[Jenny S.]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Upgrading to Windows Vista has been banned by the U.S. Department of Transportation Reply to Thread

I guess our Federal government isn't as stupid as we think it is.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Masterchief

it doesn't really matter...flash forward 5 years everyone will be running vista and the same complainers will be crying about how they're sticking with Vista instead of going with whatever new OS microsoft is releasing then...

Hahaha sooooo true.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by NewbieNudes

Vista has been a godsend for my PC. Runs faster than XP

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Platinum ChrisM

Hell, there was no reason to upgrade from W2K to XP, unless you were a gamer.

w2k to XP is downgrading your machine, win2k is much more powerful, stable and secure, and it runs all the games.

VISTA will be the point where MS dies and Linux/Mac really start to move forward. Linspire should really hit the marketing wagon, easy to install, cheap, has games, software, easy learning curve for basic users.. MS is boned.

[Sarah_Jayne]

certainly not happening here any time soon

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Masterchief

it doesn't really matter...flash forward 5 years everyone will be running vista and the same complainers will be crying about how they're sticking with Vista instead of going with whatever new OS microsoft is releasing then...

well obviously. there are so much bugs in the first year or so of any OS release MS puts out.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

w2k to XP is downgrading your machine, win2k is much more powerful, stable and secure, and it runs all the games.

VISTA will be the point where MS dies and Linux/Mac really start to move forward. Linspire should really hit the marketing wagon, easy to install, cheap, has games, software, easy learning curve for basic users.. MS is boned.

do you think its a good idea to keep w2k when getting a new computer? is there any reason to switch to xp? i have w2k on my computer now but its old and im gonna need a new one. now that all the pre built computers out there have vista im thinking of having one built and if i go that way, might as well go with the OS of my choice. as long as there are no real problems with it.

[Way3]

No upgrade to Vista here! Gonna stick with XP Pro!

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

do you think its a good idea to keep w2k when getting a new computer?

Actually win2k is very nice. It fast, small, stable etc. I.e. I'd call it a best win32 OS ever. However there is another thing... Win2k is not officially supported by m$ anymore, so we are forced to use WinXP instead. As about Vista, so I don't see any reason to put this crap on my PC.

[just a punk]

[NinjaSteve]

Complain all you want. I upgrade for some new features and for something new. Running windows2k is like having a 1995 Nissan Altima right now. Sure it's great and you like it but I'd much rather have a new Altima.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by NinjaSteve

Complain all you want. I upgrade for some new features and for something new.

Wow really??? New features you say? Could you PLEASE list some of these cool "new features" here? Please!!! Please!!! Please!!!

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

do you think its a good idea to keep w2k when getting a new computer? is there any reason to switch to xp? i have w2k on my computer now but its old and im gonna need a new one. now that all the pre built computers out there have vista im thinking of having one built and if i go that way, might as well go with the OS of my choice. as long as there are no real problems with it.

I don't plan on moving off of win2k, it's faster, more secure, and more stable than xp, or any other ms os. Linux/linspire is what I will be changing over too.

With new machines, I never buy one with an OS. I build most of my machines and the few prebuilts I have purchased I got without an OS so I could put win2k on it. pcclub.com will sell prebuilts without an OS.

[RawAlex]

Please note, after you go looking further into some of the articles that are being used to make the claims, you find this:

Among other things, Bowen said he is concerned that Windows Vista may be incompatible with many software applications already in use at the FAA.

The Canadian air traffic control system runs on windows NT, and is in the middle of being rolled out. They won't move to Vista either. It doesn't mean that vista is a good or bad product, but that the system is heavily invested in software that isn't compatible.

I don't understand how they handle compatibility issues by moving to linux. That just seems to be a really weird move.

[GUNNER]

I just got a new Sony VAIO with the Vista Home Premium on it.
Needless to say, so far I'm not impressed.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by NinjaSteve

Complain all you want. I upgrade for some new features and for something new.

Ok, I just discovered some info on these "new features". So here they are:
1) Disabling of Functionality
2) Indirect Disabling of Functionality
3) Decreased Playback Quality
4) Elimination of Open-source Hardware Support
5) Elimination of Unified Drivers
6) Problems with Drivers
7) Denial-of-Service via Driver/Device Revocation
8) Decreased System Reliability
9) Increased Hardware Costs
10) Increased Cost due to Requirement to License Unnecessary Third-party IP
11) Unnecessary CPU Resource Consumption
12) Unnecessary Device Resource Consumption

[crockett]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Please note, after you go looking further into some of the articles that are being used to make the claims, you find this:



The Canadian air traffic control system runs on windows NT, and is in the middle of being rolled out. They won't move to Vista either. It doesn't mean that vista is a good or bad product, but that the system is heavily invested in software that isn't compatible.

I don't understand how they handle compatibility issues by moving to linux. That just seems to be a really weird move.

Same thing with banks and so on. The software has to be in use for something like 5 years before it can go live for security reasons.

[DamageX]

I was checking Dell, looking for a new laptop. Pretty much all their systems that you can adjust via their online interface offer Vista only. So I called them and they said sure, we can put XP on the box if you want to. What's scary is that it would actually not occur to most people to call them and even enquire about this...

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Ok, I just discovered some info on these "new features". So here they are:
1) Disabling of Functionality
2) Indirect Disabling of Functionality
3) Decreased Playback Quality
4) Elimination of Open-source Hardware Support
5) Elimination of Unified Drivers
6) Problems with Drivers
7) Denial-of-Service via Driver/Device Revocation
8) Decreased System Reliability
9) Increased Hardware Costs
10) Increased Cost due to Requirement to License Unnecessary Third-party IP
11) Unnecessary CPU Resource Consumption
12) Unnecessary Device Resource Consumption

You gotta laugh:

Say you've just bought Pink Floyd's “The Dark Side of the Moon”, released as a Super Audio CD (SACD) in its 30th anniversary edition in 2003, and you want to play it under Vista (I'm just using SACD as a representative example of protected audio content because it's a well-known technology, in practice Sony has refused to license it for playback on PCs). Since the S/PDIF link to your amplifier/speakers is regarded as insecure for playing the SA content, Vista would disable it, and you'd end up hearing a performance by Marcel Marceau instead of Pink Floyd.

Basically, people are upset because Vista is respecting the wishes of the people who sold you the music. The people who sold the music don't want it played over a digital output (because it could be easily digitally duplicated) and Vista is respecting that (otherwise they would likely get sued). If you have a problem with that, take it up with Sony, not with Microsoft.

As of this writing, major vendors like nVidia (graphics) and Creative Labs (sound) still don't have their Vista drivers ready.

Again, if you have an issue, take it up with those companies, not microsoft. Quite simply, they have had the better part of 12 months to write drivers, and they decided to say "fuck our customers, we won't do it". It isn't microsoft's fault if your hardware manufacture can't be bothered to join the future.

99% of the bitching on that particular site either involves (a) third party issues that the writer is attempting to pin onto microsoft, or (b) a failure to understand certain legal restrictions for digital media playback that exist.

I would think that this guy probably writes freeware for linux systems.

[RawAlex]

Go read that guy's site more closely. He is a professor in New Zealand who's great accomplishments include hacking bus pass codes and 10 year old encryption tools.

Nice.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

You gotta laugh:

Basically, people are upset because Vista is respecting the wishes of the people who sold you the music. The people who sold the music don't want it played over a digital output (because it could be easily digitally duplicated) and Vista is respecting that (otherwise they would likely get sued). If you have a problem with that, take it up with Sony, not with Microsoft.

Windows XP doesn't prevent me from listening the music I love in a digital quality. So I just using it and don't upset at all. Furthermore I don't care about the Vista users at all

You gotta laugh:

In that latter category is the latest bugaboo: Photoshop suddenly decided to stop working. It told me "an error has been detected with a required application library" and refused to run. No amount of coaxing would change things, and neither running the program as Administrator nor reinstalling helped.

Finally, after much searching, I found the only solution that worked: I got Vista to reveal its hidden Administrator account, which I logged into. Now Photoshop works. So I moved all my stuff and now I log in as Administrator. I'm not supposed to ? it's a security risk ? but it's that or do without Photoshop.

Then I discovered that Vista would not allow Firefox to be my default browser no matter how hard I insisted. I even turned off Internet Explorer through the Default Programs control. Still, any link I clicked in an e-mail message would open in IE, while Firefox confidently told me it was set as my default browser.

I finally fixed this by not only disabling IE through Default Programs, but by delving into Vista's Registry and manually changing some keys, replacing IE with Firefox. (If you don't know about editing the Registry, don't worry ? it's not something for the casual user.)

I was trying to set up a daily backup, simply copying all my stuff from one hard drive to a second one, without any kind of compression.

Vista stores all my documents and settings in a single folder called /users/AK. So all I had to do was back up that entire folder.

I tried Microsoft's own (and excellent) RoboCopy tool. It gave me an error. I tried 2BrightSparks's (also excellent) SyncBack. Another error. I tried a neat one I found called Karen's Replicator. Ditto.

All three had the same problem: A path was too long. I apparently had too many nested folders.

I looked more closely and found the problem. They were all trying to back up C:\users\AK\Application Data \Application Data \Application Data \Application Data ? and so on, ad infinitum.

Huh?

I Googled and found the answer. Vista stores its application data in a folder called AppData. Previous version of Windows used \Local Settings\Application Data.

To make sure old programs can find the new folder, Microsoft added hidden files called "junctions." If a program tries to access "Application Data" path, the junction sends it to "AppData."

I had run into an infinite loop. The Application Data folder redirected the software to the AppData folder, where somehow there was some reference back to Application Data. It looped forever.

Source: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columni...problems_N.htm

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Go read that guy's site more closely. He is a professor in New Zealand who's great accomplishments include hacking bus pass codes and 10 year old encryption tools.

Nice.

I know who he is. So what's wrong with him?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by bobby666

i am so glad that i am a mac user

I heard the people of Jonestown were happy to drink the kool-aid.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Are you still thinking on upgrading to Vista? Read this then:
http://aaxnet.com/editor/edit043.html
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columni...problems_N.htm
http://www.computerworld.com/action/...leId=901 2140
http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=198000229
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl...44209&from=rss
http://www.dailytechnobabble.com/200...g-like-a-rock/

And course don't forget about this one: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...ista_cost.html

Happy upgrading!

Hater. OLD articles. Anyways the DOT couldn't upgrade to Vista considering most of the US government is still using Commodore 64s.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

well obviously. there are so much bugs in the first year or so of any OS release MS puts out.

Because no other company EVER in the history of anything has realesed anything that had bugs in it.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Hater. OLD articles.

1) I'm not a hater at all. I'm a lover, because I love WinXP
2) There are many articles with various dates

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Ok, I just discovered some info on these "new features". So here they are:
1) Disabling of Functionality
2) Indirect Disabling of Functionality
3) Decreased Playback Quality
4) Elimination of Open-source Hardware Support
5) Elimination of Unified Drivers
6) Problems with Drivers
7) Denial-of-Service via Driver/Device Revocation
8) Decreased System Reliability
9) Increased Hardware Costs
10) Increased Cost due to Requirement to License Unnecessary Third-party IP
11) Unnecessary CPU Resource Consumption
12) Unnecessary Device Resource Consumption

here is an ider.... why dont you post your little link you have posted 1800 times to cs.auckland.ac.nz Im REALLY FUCKING excited about your personal campaign against Microsoft. I predict that you bankrupt them in the very near future. Seriously please continue we all wish you well, and we are all sure the results will be fruitful to your cause...... ROFL

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

here is an ider.... why dont you post your little link you have posted 1800 times to cs.auckland.ac.nz Im REALLY FUCKING excited about your personal campaign against Microsoft.

Why are you so stupid dude? I have nothing against m$. Furthermore, I love their WinXP OS and using in right now when I type this reply

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

I know who he is. So what's wrong with him?

There is nothing wrong with him as a person. However, he isn't a typical end user, and I would expect something more from a professor than a one sided hatchet job against microsoft. He never takes any of the manufacture or third party companies to task, he just keeps hammering on Microsoft.

Further, considering his position in life and his experiences with security, you would think that he would have more of a clue about the legal ramifications of some of the security "features" in Vista, specifically those dealing with content licensing. Blaming Microsoft because Sony chooses not to license material for certain playback formats is just so fucking lame. He might as well blame a duck for the price of foisgras.

The guy started out with the intention of bashing the fuck out of Microsoft, and that is all he did. It is a mean spirited one sides article, and certainly NOT a balanced look at the reality of both modern computer operating systems and the legalities of content distribution.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

1) I'm not a hater at all. I'm a lover, because I love WinXP
2) There are many articles with various dates

By the way Apple isn't exactly the shit either

The first day after Apple TV began shipping, a bunch of sharp-as-a-tack coder types hacked Apple's new set top box to shreds:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=472

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Why are you so stupid dude? I have nothing against m$. Furthermore, I love their WinXP OS and using in right now when I type this reply

Im smart enough to fucking remember the SAME FUCKING SHIT said about the os you currently LOVE when it came out. Call me stupid? Im surprised you know how to tie your shoes.... or .... do you use velcro?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

It is a mean spirited one sides article, and certainly NOT a balanced look at the reality of both modern computer operating systems and the legalities of content distribution.

You are talking about balanced look, but what exactly he should put on the other scale to balance his critique? Is there something new and really useful in Vista to talk about? Also just forget about DRM (ok, let's blame Sony for it) But what about the other problems? I mean the other 11 ones in the list. What's about other articles (e.g. the one in USAToday)? Any thoughts?

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

You are talking about balanced look, but what exactly he should put on the other scale to balance his critique? Is there something new and really useful in Vista to talk about? Also just forget about DRM (ok, let's blame Sony for it) But what about the other problems? I mean the other 11 ones in the list. What's about other articles (e.g. the one in USAToday)? Any thoughts?

11 problems OMGWTF http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=ser...p=mss&ei=UTF-8


1 - 10 of about 3,100,000 for serious problems with xp

[RawAlex]

cyberxxx, the mistake most people make is thinking that vista is an "upgrade" - it isn't, it is an entirely new operating system, similar to the differences between ms-dos and windows 3.1 It is a huge gap, and many older pieces of software just don't work with it.

If you poke at anything, you will find incompatibilities. Would you like an entire list of network cards that don't work with Unix? Would you like to hear about the horrors of upgrading apache only to find out that certain common modules no longer work with certain other modules, or they aren't available, or don't work with this version of MySQL or that version of ProFTP?

Bitching for the sake of bitching is just bitching.

Read the list carefully. There is one word that keeps re-appearing: Drivers. Drivers are the responsiblity for the most part of third party companies. If they chose not to do the work or not to conform to the rules of the new operating system, well...

talk to the people not doing the work, and quit blaming Microsoft for all the issues.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Im smart enough to fucking remember the SAME FUCKING SHIT said about the os you currently LOVE when it came out.

1) Dude, a good memory don't make you a smart person
2) I'm working with PC's (not only using but also programming) from the DOS 16-bit real mode times, however I don't remember there any comparable problems with XP ever.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Call me stupid? Im surprised you know how to tie your shoes.... or .... do you use velcro?

You are trying to be funny? Well done boy! It was a good joke for a person of your age. I think you're about 6 y.o. Right?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

cyberxxx, the mistake most people make is thinking that vista is an "upgrade" - it isn't, it is an entirely new operating system, similar to the differences between ms-dos and windows 3.1 It is a huge gap, and many older pieces of software just don't work with it.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Vista is a follower of the NT series (NT4/Win2k/Win2003/XP). It has a same core (Windows kernel) which just a set of 32/64-bit DLL-s that realize Windows API.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Sorry, but you are wrong. Vista is a follower of the NT series (NT4/Win2k/Win2003/XP). It has a same core (Windows kernel) which just a set of 32/64-bit DLL-s that realize Windows API.

Incorrect. While there are some similarities, the entire structure is different, the exposed API is different,and most importantly, many of the security holes and weaknesses have been removed.

Compatibility issues with software often arises because programmers wrote code that either (a) didn't use the API correctly, or (b) purposely bypassed the API or abused holes that existed in that API. Many of the programs that use their own programming to directly deal with networking issues (to communicate) are totally fucked because all of those holes have been plugged.

Remember, windows 3.1 was just ms-dos with a nice graphic display.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

1) Dude, a good memory don't make you a smart person
2) I'm working with PC's (not only using but also programming) from the DOS 16-bit real mode times, however I don't remember there any comparable problems with XP ever.



You are trying to be funny? Well done boy! It was a good joke for a person of your age. I think you're about 6 y.o. Right?

Yup you are a computer wiz that cant remember everyone crying the same version of wolf that you are now......

[RawAlex]

More...

Arguing that creating an artificial difference between the two because it gives users more control is like arguing that manual gearboxes are better because they provide more control — this may (technically) be the case, but unless you're an F1 driver you're probably not going to appreciate this very much. Less is more. War is peace.

I gotta love this. My car is a manual shift, and I love it. Yes, I get more control. I don't have to drive an F1 car to appreciate it. It is the same reason why many companies and making manumatic transmissions, because people like to feel that they have more control (even if they don't).

Some of his biggest bitches are about "more CPU being used", and complaining about bloatware. Sounds like this guy would be really, really happy with a MS-DOS prompt on a 20 mhz IBM PC-jr.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Incorrect. While there are some similarities, the entire structure is different, the exposed API is different,and most importantly, many of the security holes and weaknesses have been removed.

There are many new API functions, but the basic core is the same. So it's still a same NT-like system, but not a new one.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Remember, windows 3.1 was just ms-dos with a nice graphic display.

Wrong again. Win3.1 was a full-featured 16-bit operating system which was working 16-bit protected mode (i80286 PM memory model).

I'll just try to show you this on example. MS-DOS is intended to run 16-bit MZ-executables. Windows 3.xx was intended to run 16-bit NE executables. Windows 32/64-bit (95/NT etc) systems are intended to run 32/64-bit PE executables.

There is a big difference between MZ, NE and PE file formats. So you can guess what was a difference between MS-DOS, Win16 and Win32 systems. They were really different operating systems with different executable file formats and intended for different CPU modes (16-bit RM, 16-bit PM, 16/32-bit PM).

As about Vista. It still uses the same PE (32/64-bit) file format which was developed for the NT series (the first system able to run it was Windows NT 3.1)

Sorry for the tech. terms but it was my primary work within the years before I came into the adult industry

[drjones]

Its kind of becoming a bargaining strategy for government shops or big business to threaten to move to Linux or some other platform, in a very public way.

MS usually sweeps in with some huge drastic discounts to sway them.

Helps them save face, and get some publicity.