you pay for custom coding - 2 months later your script is avail retail! wtf? [drama]

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  • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
    North Coast Pimp
    • Dec 2005
    • 9395

    #16
    Why don't you just package it up and sell it yourself and undercut his ass?

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    • WarChild
      Let slip the dogs of war.
      • Jan 2003
      • 17263

      #17
      Originally posted by BobG
      you should talk to a lawyer who knows about "intellectual property"
      The Lawyer's going to ask to see the release of the intellectual property rights, which he of course does not have.

      I used to work for a large Forestry company. By large I mean close to $1B a year in revenue. The exact same thing happened. Some coders were hired under contract to write custom code, but the IT manager at the time had no idea really what he was doing. In the end, they ended up reselling the same code and we were left with only a license to use and modify the code.
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      • WarChild
        Let slip the dogs of war.
        • Jan 2003
        • 17263

        #18
        Originally posted by Jon Clark
        Why don't you just package it up and sell it yourself and undercut his ass?
        Because he doesn't own the Intellectual Property Rights.
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        • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
          (felis madjewicus)
          • Jul 2006
          • 20368

          #19
          Originally posted by Jon Clark
          Why don't you just package it up and sell it yourself and undercut his ass?
          thought noted...

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          • spacedog
            Yes that IS me. Bitch.
            • Nov 2001
            • 14149

            #20
            Originally posted by WarChild
            Unless he signed away the rights to the code, you only have a license to use it. It still belongs to him. That's the way it works.
            That's 100% FALSE. You make this shit up or what?

            On a work for hire, the person contracting the work owns the rights, not the other way around.

            I'd sue the bejesus out of the fucker.

            Stop asking gfy.. half of these idiots wouldn't know their ass from their elbow.. Go ask an attorney.


            The person paying for the project owns the rights.

            When you hire a designer to design your site, do they resell it to everyone else after they deliver it to you?

            Some people need a fucking clue!

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            • WarChild
              Let slip the dogs of war.
              • Jan 2003
              • 17263

              #21
              Originally posted by spacedog
              That's 100% FALSE. You make this shit up or what?

              On a work for hire, the person contracting the work owns the rights, not the other way around.

              I'd sue the bejesus out of the fucker.

              Stop asking gfy.. half of these idiots wouldn't know their ass from their elbow.. Go ask an attorney.


              The person paying for the project owns the rights.

              When you hire a designer to design your site, do they resell it to everyone else after they deliver it to you?

              Some people need a fucking clue!
              I'm speaking from experience, working in a large company, with a legal department that took up an entire floor. This was in Canada though.
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              • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
                (felis madjewicus)
                • Jul 2006
                • 20368

                #22
                as far a legality goes i'm fucked, anyway i really come at this situation i am not going to win.

                best case scenario: coder realizes people frown upon this, and there is a last minute decision to not release the script in order to maintain a reputable name.

                worst case scenario: every douchebag running wordpress now has my script running on their blogs. maybe a few other newbs see this and learn my lesson the easy way instead of the hard, which is all i can hope for at this point...

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                • crockett
                  in a van by the river
                  • May 2003
                  • 76818

                  #23
                  Originally posted by WarChild
                  Unless he signed away the rights to the code, you only have a license to use it. It still belongs to him. That's the way it works.
                  BS.. he didn't buy a license for a software he bought and paid for the development of that software. So the code is his, however without a Non Compete or a No Disclosure he's SOL. More than likely.

                  His best bet is to use the net warrior code and out the guy, so others know they can't trust him.
                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                  • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
                    (felis madjewicus)
                    • Jul 2006
                    • 20368

                    #24
                    just had a friend pass this on to me http://www.aw-wrdsmth.com/FAQ/work_for_hire.html

                    anyone looking to have some work done might find this useful...

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                    • Superterrorizer
                      Confirmed User
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 509

                      #25
                      Originally posted by spacedog
                      That's 100% FALSE. You make this shit up or what?

                      On a work for hire, the person contracting the work owns the rights, not the other way around.

                      I'd sue the bejesus out of the fucker.

                      Stop asking gfy.. half of these idiots wouldn't know their ass from their elbow.. Go ask an attorney.


                      The person paying for the project owns the rights.

                      When you hire a designer to design your site, do they resell it to everyone else after they deliver it to you?

                      Some people need a fucking clue!
                      Coming from a guy who had an argument with an ICQ bot...


                      I'm just a sexy girl!

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                      • spacedog
                        Yes that IS me. Bitch.
                        • Nov 2001
                        • 14149

                        #26
                        Originally posted by WarChild
                        Because he doesn't own the Intellectual Property Rights.
                        On the contrary, HE DOES!! He contracted & hired the work, he owns the work.

                        Stop shitting from your mouth & speaking out your ass.


                        USC Title 17, circular 92, chapter 2 section 201B

                        "b) Works Made for Hire. ? In the case of a work made for hire, the employer or other person for whom the work was prepared is considered the author for purposes of this title, and, unless the parties have expressly agreed otherwise in a written instrument signed by them, owns all of the rights comprised in the copyright"


                        The person paying for the work owns ALL RIGHTS.. not the other way around.

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                        • LiveDose
                          Show Yer Tits!
                          • Feb 2002
                          • 25792

                          #27
                          Feel free to email me the persons info so I don't use him for any future work. Shady.

                          livedose // at // gmail // dot // com

                          Others may want this info as well.

                          Scammer Alert: acer19 acer [email protected] [email protected] Money stolen using PayPal

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                          • crockett
                            in a van by the river
                            • May 2003
                            • 76818

                            #28
                            Originally posted by ismokeblunts
                            as far a legality goes i'm fucked, anyway i really come at this situation i am not going to win.

                            best case scenario: coder realizes people frown upon this, and there is a last minute decision to not release the script in order to maintain a reputable name.

                            worst case scenario: every douchebag running wordpress now has my script running on their blogs. maybe a few other newbs see this and learn my lesson the easy way instead of the hard, which is all i can hope for at this point...

                            You could always really undercut him and release it GPL being it's a word press script. That would make his script sales pretty much worthless, so he likely wouldn't make any more money from it.
                            In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                            • WarChild
                              Let slip the dogs of war.
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 17263

                              #29
                              Originally posted by spacedog
                              Stop shitting from your mouth & speaking out your ass.
                              I guess the laws vary alot between Canada and the US. I should have pointed out initially that I was speaking about Canadian law.

                              Like I told you, I lived through this exact experience, but on a much, much larger scale.

                              No need to be a mouthy little twit about it, douche bag.
                              .

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                              • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
                                (felis madjewicus)
                                • Jul 2006
                                • 20368

                                #30
                                Originally posted by crockett
                                You could always really undercut him and release it GPL being it's a word press script. That would make his script sales pretty much worthless, so he likely wouldn't make any more money from it.
                                and then even more people wind up with it. haha.

                                no, i'm content to just sit and see where things go from here, i'll be waiting to see the post here when the script is offered for sale, i already know it's coming, and when it does i'll be sure to reference this thread in that one. hopefully i never see that day, but who knows, it's out of my hands one way or another.

                                MORAL OF THE STORY: Get DNA's or Work For Hire contracts signed next time...

                                if anyone is really concerned about the info on the coder they can contact me on icq. until then, i'm not going to out anyone publicly. i'm sure he will read this, and if the day comes that i do see the script for sale on gfy (which i'm sure is still going to happen regardless of whatever i say), he will be outed. this is his chance to not release the script and save some face...
                                Last edited by Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life; 03-25-2007, 07:28 PM.

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