Originally Posted by BlingDaddy (Post 12143518)

Tony.. not to defend SPLUM but he asked it you knew the defitiniton of "al queada" and you said -

yes I do ,they said he was responsible for the murder of 3000 Americans .

I hate to point this out but that makes you look bad.. "he"?
Al Queda is a network of terrorists that would love to blow up your home in Atlanta if given the chance...
:2 cents:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12143523)

All the name calling you just cant make your point?
These people have been fighting for thousands of years,do you really think they are going to change? Look what a banner project iraq has been, they made it a recruiting center for terrorists.If the people dont want it ,it aint going to happen because we want it. We have to get totally off oil and fuck them.

Originally Posted by BusterBunny (Post 12143529)

alright i will answer ONE more...personally i would like to nuke the entire middle east and any country ending with stan....but wouldnt matter others would continue to fight regardless....i'm out cause you are a complete idiot trying to debate someone way more informed than yourself:321GFY

Originally Posted by redblackgreen (Post 12143510)

do you mean like khalid sheikh mohammad?

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12143520)

We were talking about terrorism and holding the people for 9/11 responsible. Not sure what violating cease fire agreements has to do with 9/11.

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12143536)

Yes you sound very educated. Have a good one. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12143534)

What about all the pseudo pro-western countries? You fail to realize just how positive western influences have been for countries like Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, Egypt, United Arab Emirates. There are only a few "hostile" countries left to conquer.

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12143530)

I did understand what he meant and my president said bin laden was responsible. Bin laden wanted dead or alive thats what he said. He hasnt been caught have many years has it been? I doubt they want to blow up my home unless its a really slow terrorism day.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 12143547)

We should switch focus to Africa. I like lions.

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12143536)

Yes you sound very educated. Have a good one. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12143550)

Only one of those countries is in Africa.

Originally Posted by BlingDaddy (Post 12143549)

Tony... They want to blow up all of our homes. It's what they want. They want us ALL dead. Bin Laden is, was, and still is responsible. Your President is correct.

For those that are so mad that "bin laden" hasn't been caught.. did they ever think about the people that help him that have been caught?

I love Atlanta, it's a great city. But make sure you know Tony that terrorist don't give a fuck about that. I'm in Denver and they'd love to wipe both you and I off the face of the planet if they could. There are Muslim factions that are so pissed off at us that they'd nuke Iowa just to say they did.

Bling.

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12143534)

Actually most of the "new terrorists" are being bred in Pakistan. You think the USA getting off oil is going to change their importance in the world? :1orglaugh
You do realize there are other huge booming industrial ages going on right now in China and India dont you? USA money or not these people WILL still have the capabilities to attack us/allies/interests.

What about all the pseudo pro-western countries? You fail to realize just how positive western influences have been for countries like Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, Egypt, United Arab Emirates. There are only a few "hostile" countries left to conquer.

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12143560)

and that means we cant question our government? Bin laden is still free they said he was the master mind, I remember watching TV ,when the whole world was with us. 17 of the 19 terrorists were saudi's not iraqi's. Im not afraid, if your afraid then they have won.

Originally Posted by BlingDaddy (Post 12143549)

For those that are so mad that "bin laden" hasn't been caught.. did they ever think about the people that help him that have been caught?

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12143560)

and that means we cant question our government? Bin laden is still free they said he was the master mind, I remember watching TV ,when the whole world was with us. 17 of the 19 terrorists were saudi's not iraqi's. Im not afraid, if your afraid then they have won.

Originally Posted by BlingDaddy (Post 12143563)

I have to disagree with SPLUM on this.. We can have pseudo Pro western countries... They will still be Middle Eastern shitholes looking to curry our favor.. Bling

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 12143577)

Odds are the big O is in one of 2 places: tribal Pakistan or tribal Afghanistan.

They're working on Afghanistan. Slowly but surely. A little too slow, but there are only a few million other factors involved. Hell we could bomb the shit out of the place tomorrow even more so... and what would that do? Fuel more radical thinking.

Pakistan is just plain messy. Tribal regions thriving with militant training and radical thinking. Can't attack them. Pakistan claims they're helping, and they are, but they could do more like everyone. Though they also have their own internal political framework to consider. They can't just start rooting out villages without fallout.

OBL is one guy. He dies, someone will replace him. What's more important, in my opinion, is breaking up the framework. And thats happening where possible.

Hell even the Iraqi Sunnis are getting pissed off. Al qaeda in Iraq is fighting with tribal Iraqi Sunnis. Now thats pretty crazy.

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12143572)

The whole world was not with us, people were celebrating in countries like Iraq, Palestine, and Syria. Half the world was screwing us being involved in the oil for food scandal with Iraq. Where you get this idea the world "loved the USA" is a fucking crock of shit. Also no one is afraid of these terrorists, thats why we are FIGHTING them.

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12143585)

Im tired of fighting ... Im done.

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12143588)

100 appeasers


Yes I know.

Originally Posted by BlingDaddy (Post 12143578)

Tony,
I totally agree with you. I'm not afraid either.. these fucks can't and won't win. The second you're afraid they win. Fuck that.
I just hate to see someone intelligent attach their whole hate and response to Bin Laden. He's just a gimp. I'm just trying to point out to you and to all that the US is being attacked by many.. not just one.

I'd love to see Bin Laden swinging from a neck rope, but it's not just him. Shit.. he's a diabetic and need dialisys. This shit is more about a "Holy War". It's US vs. THEM.

Who's gonna win?
Bling

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12143585)

Im tired of fighting with right wing talking points. My family has been fighting politics for 20 yrs at sunday dinner.The right and the left are represented and in all those years I never remember someone saying your right you changed my way of thinking. Im done.

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12143591)

you do that leaving out the important stuff of a quote out real well. I see a job at fox for you. I got a friend who is a videographer for them maybe I can get you in . lol

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12143541)

Do you even know WHY these people attacked us on 9/11?

Originally Posted by BlingDaddy (Post 12143599)

Are you in my family Tony? LMAO this sounds like us! :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by LiveDose (Post 12143600)

Is his name Christian? Just curious I know one too.

Originally Posted by he-fox (Post 12143594)

no offense, but this theory is a bit paranoic. There are older and more important issues in the Middle East than you and your USA home.
Not everything in this world revolves around USA. All this shit has much more to do with the israelo-palestinian conflict, which gave birth to terorism as we sadly are confronting with now.

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12143585)

Im tired of fighting with right wing talking points. My family has been fighting politics for 20 yrs at sunday dinner.The right and the left are represented and in all those years I never remember someone saying your right you changed my way of thinking. Im done.

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12143541)

Do you even know WHY these people attacked us on 9/11?

Originally Posted by Osama bin Laden

So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken, for you to consider.

I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorised and displaced.

I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy.

The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but it didn't respond.

In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.

And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.

And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance.

Originally Posted by Porn Farmer (Post 12143626)

Straight from the horses mouth.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 12143624)

See my dad and I think differently on a million different things. So we discuss. And you're right, usually neither of us changes our mind about anything, but we still discuss like civil beings and don't call the other one an idiot or a sheep because they have a different opinion. We actually discuss. And guess what? Sometimes we do change our stance on an issue or mull over a little tidbit brought up by the other person.

Maybe you and your family should try an actual discussion. Its much more enjoyable, and you just may learn something.

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 12143649)

Splum = TheKing = Pathfinder

He is not an adult webmaster, he is a right-wing agent provocateur, and not a very good one at that.

ADG Webmaster

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12143648)

you no problem with him calling me a lying piece of liberal shit ? Answer that please.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 12143658)

Actually I didn't see it. But he's a troll anyway so I pay little attention to stuff like that. You aren't a troll so its more noticeable.

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 12143649)

Splum = TheKing = Pathfinder He is not an adult webmaster, he is a right-wing agent provocateur, and not a very good one at that. ADG Webmaster