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Old 03-24-2007, 03:42 PM   #51
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I just moved from Sofla to Philly Shap. You're going to miss those blue skies but you realize there's more to life than weather and start appreciating the closeness a good home can provide.

Wish you the best of luck in family life and business.
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Old 03-24-2007, 06:19 PM   #55
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lol welcome to Toronto... Fucked up weather, smog and beautiful lake ontario ;)
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I just moved from Sofla to Philly Shap. You're going to miss those blue skies but you realize there's more to life than weather and start appreciating the closeness a good home can provide.

Wish you the best of luck in family life and business.
The blue sky, sun shinning part is the hardest. Doesn't need to be warm, but just having that there almost daily made you feel so good. Tough to be back north during the first winter where you are SHOCKED to see blue sky and the actual sun.
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Old 03-24-2007, 07:23 PM   #57
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Heh. Yay for canada Welcome back, tho i'm not sure why you'd leave the islands for our winters!
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I guess it is possible to get tired of sun and heat all the time too. We are not lizzards. Good luck to you!
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Old 03-25-2007, 09:55 AM   #59
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I just moved from Sofla to Philly Shap. You're going to miss those blue skies but you realize there's more to life than weather and start appreciating the closeness a good home can provide.

Wish you the best of luck in family life and business.
Thanks Cyndalie for the sweet post
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Old 03-25-2007, 01:30 PM   #60
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You're leaving all that for cold weather and smog. Are you nuts? ;)

Priorities are priorities. All the best in expanding your biz.
Thanks Mike. Obviously it's not the ideal moving situation but sometimes you have to make a sacrifice

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Congrats on all the upcoming things Shap ... when will there be Shap Jr. roaming around?!?
Not yet. Going to move and get situated then maybe
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Old 03-25-2007, 01:35 PM   #61
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Shap, you're an inspiration. If moving out of the Bahamas is what you're doing I am sure it is for the right reasons and you are going to make out better in the new spot than the old one.

I lived on an Island for 19 years and I can tell you, it starts to feel like a crab trap.
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Old 03-25-2007, 01:48 PM   #62
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Nice job on the success you have had. I envy the list of free sites you have, but I think you will regret that move come Oct or Nov this year. Anyway good luck on your new ventures, if I was to ever work for anyone in this industry, your company would probably be on the top of the list.

As a side note.. whats the reason you're not expanding from the Bahamas?
Thanks Crockett. We'll probably get ourselves a condo in South Florida so we have a getaway when the bad weather hits. Having the option to get away should help the transition.

Why not expand in the Bahamas? Here are a few reasons.

- It is very religious and having a full blown porn company office here would put us at a huge risk. Both immigration/legally and physically. The churches here would be on our ass so bad it wouldn't even be funny.

- To run a company a bahamian must be majority owner. So if i wanted to open up an office here i'd have to go out and give 51% of my company to a bahamian.

- 51%+ of the staff would have to be bahamian. If you've ever been here you'd understand why that is not even an option. Honestly, I'd couldn't do it. Bahamians have a terrible work ethic and would make the absolute worst employees.

- cost of living is insane so having Ex pats move here to work for us would be extreme costly.
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Old 03-25-2007, 02:02 PM   #63
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Out of curiosity from a business perspective how is this a good expansion, I mean if you move back from The Bahamas being Canadians you have to pay taxes again and I believe its like 35% in Canada, somebody correct me if I'm wrong versus 0% on the Bahamas. So that would mean you would have to grow 35% this year alone just to make up for the move. Not saying that you wont just don't understand why you don't have 2 homes and spend a maximum of 179 days a year in Canada and the other half elsewhere and thus making your 0% legal.
Great question. The main reason is we are not expecting to grow 35% Part of our decision was based on how much we wanted to grow and what our long term plans were. We are very fortunate to have built ourselves into a position where we had the option to either sit back and coast or roll up our sleeves and work even harder. One of our options, as i mentioned earlier, was to move to France and let things run as they've been running. Doing that would have probably resulted in us growing at a rate of 5 to 10% a year. We would be making great money but never growing much larger than what we are right now and never really increasing the value of our company.

The other option was to move back and do everything we can to reach our full potential. If it was a matter of growing 35% then obviously I wasn't interested in moving back.Our goal is to double, triple and eventually quadruple our current size. Meaning we'd be making more than we are now and be worth MUCH more than we are now

btw the bahamas has no tax treaty with the US or Canada. Therefore the number of days you can live without paying taxes is not 179 days. It's actually 90 or 120 (i think 90 for the US and 120 for canada).
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Old 03-25-2007, 02:08 PM   #64
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Must be tough leaving the Bahamas... but I wish you both lots of luck and success on your move to Toronto!
Definitely is but we aren't letting it get us down. We had a fantastic 6 years here. It was a great move for us to come here. Now we are ready for the next move and we are really excited at the new opportunities and changes that lie ahead

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Hope your move goes good shap. Good luck with. So many of the pics look like we were just down there yesterday but it was 9 months ago lol. Loved the Bahamas and Paradise Island

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I grew up in Hawaii, so I can understand how you can finally decide to move back to a large urban area. You can always go back and visit the islands, and you will carry a piece of paradise within you forever.

If I lived in Toronto I would be tempted to try and find a position in your company just to learn about how it operates from the inside. I am sure those that take advantage of the opportunities you are offering will benefit greatly as they help grow your empire.

Best of luck to you and your family on the big move and on the future growth of your business.
Thanks a million ADG. No need to work for us to learn about us. Anytime you have any questions I'm always open to discussing how we do business

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The new house is absolutely incredible! Sarah and I are looking very forward to the house warming, I will bring the keg!!!

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P.S. Shap we just leased a new downtown office location at Richmond and Spadina so don't be a stranger when you get back to Toronto. We're literally down the street from you now
Don't worry I won't be a stranger. We'll be sitting in the Hockey Locker Room together. You are going to be calling Cam telling him how you wish i'd stop calling you LOL.


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Rent. It will make the move much easier. Just have to sell our bigger items and worry about furnishing our new place in Toronto
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Thats what I was thinking.

BTW Shap no F1 in Monaco huh
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Shap, best of luck during your move.

Are you into a modern home in Toronto as well? Gorgeous one you were looking at in France.

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I am sure to be seeing you both more often once you are moved back!

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Thanks Brad. We'll definitely be seeing more of you. (btw we still make money with that phone sex line you set up for us when we first moved to the Bahamas)

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Congrats Shap and Beth! Good decision to grow the business for awhile, plus whenever you want paradise its only a plane ride away right.

Btw that house in France looked spectacular. Can't wait to see pics of the new place in Toronto!

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Old 03-25-2007, 02:33 PM   #68
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Wow... Nice to have you back on a continent.

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Are you related to Pauly on American Chopper?
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Looking forward to meeting you when you get back , We were just having dinner yesterday with Mike and I was asking him about how hard it must be for you to run the company remotely. Your success in those circumstances is phenomenal, and Im sure it will be much greater working locally...best of luck !
Hey Brazzer. How's it going? Thanks for treating Mike this weekend. You guys run a top notch organization from top to bottom. There is way too much opportunity in our industry to just sit back and not try to really kick some major ass. Your company is a constant reminder of that. You guys really kick ass!

With regards to running the company remotely. I think we are extremely lucky that we have grown to the size we are right now without Beth and I having been present in Toronto. It's thanks to Kevin, Mike, Jassie, Maz and are whole amazing team in Toronto. They've done an amazing job but there is so much more we can accomplish. Beth and I being remote has really held us back in many ways and I'm really looking forward to changing that.
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welcome back

lets get together next time you're back home in mtl ;)
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Shap and Kevin, congratulations for the good work.

I'm sure that was a hard decision to take. Understandable though in my eyes since you are a serious businessman and know how to define priorities as such.
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when are you moving back to Toronto??? I'm coming to the Bahamas in May!! We'll have to do dinner before you leave for the smog!!
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Thanks Crockett. We'll probably get ourselves a condo in South Florida so we have a getaway when the bad weather hits. Having the option to get away should help the transition.

Why not expand in the Bahamas? Here are a few reasons.

- It is very religious and having a full blown porn company office here would put us at a huge risk. Both immigration/legally and physically. The churches here would be on our ass so bad it wouldn't even be funny.

- To run a company a bahamian must be majority owner. So if i wanted to open up an office here i'd have to go out and give 51% of my company to a bahamian.

- 51%+ of the staff would have to be bahamian. If you've ever been here you'd understand why that is not even an option. Honestly, I'd couldn't do it. Bahamians have a terrible work ethic and would make the absolute worst employees.

- cost of living is insane so having Ex pats move here to work for us would be extreme costly.

Ah man, you should have considered moving to the west coast of puerto rico...Plenty of Americans in the Rincon area, so you don't even have to learn spanish if you don't want to...I live on the east coast of PR but I would love to live in Rincon as I have spent many months there..The surfing waves in high season rival that of the North Shore of Hawaii and there are PLENTY of surfers and surfer babes out there...

People here don't get in your business at all...There's too many people here for you to even stick out like that...Nobody would even know what you did at all unless you told them..There is no Federal income tax, and anywhere outside of San Juan and Ponce is safe quiet living.

It's a hub so it's cheap to fly to and from here, as long as you are flying to the US/Canada..Inter-Island flights are insanely expensive...the cost of living is low and so is the crime...The public schools are decent and the private schools are good and cheap...The roads and infrastructure is excellent and you don't have to worry about crazy niggas driving on windy roads like you had to deal with in the Bahamas.

The weather is in the 80's year round and is located in the tradewinds, so it gets a nice steady breeze...Only bad part is the summer where it feels like a sauna down here and that's why I'm spending this coming summer back in Ohio..
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it looks like you had a lovely extended adventure and now you're looking forward to a new more urban one. congrats on the move and good luck with finding some more quality people!
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Man I would stay in the Bahamas. Looks awesome! Good luck with the move and congrats on the program.
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We are looking forward to the move and the new opportunities that will present themselves. We recently purchased a home in Toronto and so will be moving back this summer. We definitely look forward to meeting the local webmasters and getting to know you guys some more.
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Did you buy the house right in Toronto? or the GTA? Which area?

I'd like to work for you 5 dolla/hour.. well if you can't afford that I can work for a 6pack/week

when u moving btw?
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You still keeping the house in the Bahamas? I need a break later this year if you are renting it out hit me up webmaster at busty-amateurs2.com. You have definitely done your time out there 6 years, great place BTW.

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Did you buy the house right in Toronto? or the GTA? Which area?

I'd like to work for you 5 dolla/hour.. well if you can't afford that I can work for a 6pack/week

when u moving btw?
Yeah. Not sure if you know toronto. We bought a place in the Forrest Hill area.

We'll be moving this summer.
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You couldn't afford something nicer then that ghetto they call Forest Hill
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Forest Hill Village BIA eh? So am assuming you're starting a non-adult biz there too.. I was under the impression they didn't allow adult entertainment businesses in those BIAs prolly cos I never saw one in Forest Hill and I lived next to it in 2000.. neways, free wireless Internet services there is nice. A few nice food shoppies there too
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Sacree blue .. Les Shap retourne au Canada !!

Sweet, how about makin a stop in yur ol stoppin grounds in Montreal !!! ...

No I got another reason to visit TO
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My sister has bought a couple of apartment complexes in Forest hill ... My last apartment in TO was also in Forest hill ... I enjoyed that part of Toronto alot ...

Give me a shout Shap we gots stuff to discuss
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Old 03-29-2007, 08:20 AM   #89
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Congrats Shap and best of luck with the move.

Very good post btw. I'm sure a lot of people would be off in the south of France living the high life right now rather than wait, whereas you and the Mrs are smart enough to put certain things on hold and instead put in the work needed to hit much higher rungs on the ladder of success.

I doubt too many others could resist that house in France you showed us.


And personally I like having some dull dreary days in the mix. When every day is sunny and perfect it makes you want to be outside enjoying it, boating, swimming, para-sailing.... lol... hard to get any work done. Cloudy rainy snowy days are made to order for getting a lot of work done at the 'puter. :D

Welcome back to Canuckistan.
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Old 03-29-2007, 08:45 AM   #90
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Forest Hill Village BIA eh? So am assuming you're starting a non-adult biz there too.. I was under the impression they didn't allow adult entertainment businesses in those BIAs prolly cos I never saw one in Forest Hill and I lived next to it in 2000.. neways, free wireless Internet services there is nice. A few nice food shoppies there too
Our office is in the old carpet factory where adult companies are welcome

btw what's BIA?
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Old 03-29-2007, 09:32 AM   #91
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Congrats and welcome back to Canada. At leat you;re moving in the summer rather than the cold.
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