Tell me why Kobe Jordan isn't the greatest NBA player ever....

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

greatness isn't measured in just championships

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=270322029

[SomeCreep]

Jordan was the best ever.

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin

greatness isn't measured in just championships

it's most certainly not great to cheat on your wife then lie while you are being charged with rape

and narcing shaq off to try to somehow save his own ass makes him one of the worst people ever period......

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

it's most certainly not great to cheat on your wife then lie while you are being charged with rape

and narcing shaq off to try to somehow save his own ass makes him one of the worst people ever period......

disregard his character and judge him on his basketball skills only

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Even I, a Kobe fan for a long time(and formerly Jordan fan), would never compare the two till now. He can do it all.

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin

disregard his character and judge him on his basketball skills only

ok then...we will go back in time to before they instituted the 3 second rule and i will take chamberlain....he will just stand there and swat all kobe's shots into the stands...plus he didn't lie about fucking bitches

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

ok then...we will go back in time to before they instituted the 3 second rule and i will take chamberlain....he will just stand there and swat all kobe's shots into the stands...plus he didn't lie about fucking bitches

Kobe would make him dizzy running circles around him. The guy can shoot and score with 3 guys in his face. I doubt the Stilt could stop him.

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin

Kobe would make him dizzy running circles around him. The guy can shoot and score with 3 guys in his face. I doubt the Stilt could stop him.

but back in the day there was no goal tending or 3 seconds....they made rules so people like bryant could actually score

[Corleone]

amazing. he's on fire

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

but back in the day there was no goal tending or 3 seconds....they made rules so people like bryant could actually score

hmm ok you have a point, but with today's rules, Kobe wins, hands down....

Jordan was great, but one day there comes another... and after Kobe, there will be another...

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by Corleone

amazing. he's on fire

he's been on fire many times throughout his career, but yeah, damn ... 65, 50 and 60 last 3 games! It's not just scoring either. He can assist well when he has to/wants to, rebound, steal, plays great D, even runs down and blocks shots and clutch! With Odom and Walton healthy, The Lakers are a top 3 team IMO

[dynastoned]

i still think jordan was better. he just played with more style and made the game look effortless.

kobe's a self centered cry baby little bitch. whines when shaq says its his team, says he wont play with him. then phil asks kobe to get his team more involved and kobe responds by passing the ball the entire game and taking 5-6 shots, etc.. the kid is a proven douche in my opinion.

[Corleone]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin

he's been on fire many times throughout his career, but yeah, damn ... 65, 50 and 60 last 3 games! It's not just scoring either. He can assist well when he has to/wants to, rebound, steal, plays great D, even runs down and blocks shots and clutch! With Odom and Walton healthy, The Lakers are a top 3 team IMO

absolutely..

but this year the mavs will make it

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by dynastoned

i still think jordan was better. he just played with more style and made the game look effortless.

kobe's a self centered cry baby little bitch. whines when shaq says its his team, says he wont play with him. then phil asks kobe to get his team more involved and kobe responds by passing the ball the entire game and taking 5-6 shots, etc.. the kid is a proven douche in my opinion.

and Shaq isn't self centered? Come on.. He "had" to be the highest paid player and Kobe was stealing his thunder. Then San Antonio and Detroit figured out who the real threat was and triple teamed Kobe and no more championships... What did he say about the security of his family after joing the Heat? lol The guy is wasted talent. He would be the greatest if he had the drive of Kobe or Jordan. He only plays hard when he has/wants to.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by Corleone

absolutely..

but this year the mavs will make it

I think you are probably right, but look for the Lakers to make some noise in the playoffs if Walton, Odom, Kwame are healthy!

[billybathgate]

kobe is up there but when its all said and done i doubt that he will be considered
the greatest ever.......

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by billybathgate

kobe is up there but when its all said and done i doubt that he will be considered
the greatest ever.......

if he isn't, it will be because of BS politics and his image... Kobe is 28 and Jordan didn't win a championship till age 28. Kobe has 3 now and tons of records, accomplishments.

[dynastoned]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin

and Shaq isn't self centered? Come on.. He "had" to be the highest paid player and Kobe was stealing his thunder. Then San Antonio and Detroit figured out who the real threat was and triple teamed Kobe and no more championships... What did he say about the security of his family after joing the Heat? lol The guy is wasted talent. He would be the greatest if he had the drive of Kobe or Jordan. He only plays hard when he has/wants to.

yeah but the argument isn't about shaq. it's about kobe and his selfish play. which is why he will never be considered the greatest.

[dynastoned]

also last time i checked shaq just won another championship.

[he-fox]

he's not even in top 10.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by dynastoned

also last time i checked shaq just won another championship.

Yeah, with a great team. I'll give him credit though, but he still is lazy.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by he-fox

he's not even in top 10.

what's your top 10 list?

[billybathgate]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin

if he isn't, it will be because of BS politics and his image... Kobe is 28 and Jordan didn't win a championship till age 28. Kobe has 3 now and tons of records, accomplishments.

true but alot of his success came because of the team that he had around him......... yeah 3 rings but not only did he have shaq but he had ron harper , horry , glen rice for 1 year ........... not to take anything away from kobe because hes a great player but hes been on some great teams

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by billybathgate

true but alot of his success came because of the team that he had around him......... yeah 3 rings but not only did he have shaq but he had ron harper , horry , glen rice for 1 year ........... not to take anything away from kobe because hes a great player but hes been on some great teams

Yeah, but take Kobe away from the Lakers and how good would the Lakers be? Probably one of the worst teams. Take out Nash and the Suns would still be good. Not to disrespect Nash, because he's great, but Kobe should be MVP, if MVP is the best player or most valuable to your team. Also, who else has a total game like Kobe, including D? Lebron is great, but only on offense.

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin

hmm ok you have a point, but with today's rules, Kobe wins, hands down....

Jordan was great, but one day there comes another... and after Kobe, there will be another...

ok then todays rules kobe would take wilt i will admit...no big man of any period could ;)


but i can't say kobe is better than jordan because his career stats aren't as good....the best player playing now but not ever.....not off by much but he is behind and stats don't lie....

career fg% 3pt% ft% rbs% asst%
jordan: .497 .327 .835 6.2 5.3
kobe: .452 .338 .837 5.2 5.2

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin

Yeah, but take Kobe away from the Lakers and how good would the Lakers be? Probably one of the worst teams. Take out Nash and the Suns would still be good. Not to disrespect Nash, because he's great, but Kobe should be MVP, if MVP is the best player or most valuable to your team. Also, who else has a total game like Kobe, including D? Lebron is great, but only on offense.

Uh, not true at all, over the last three years the lakers have a better record without Kobe than the Suns do without Nash. Even with all the talent the Suns have, its amazing how they struggle without Nash. I've watched every Suns game this year and when Nash goes out of the game they almost always lose their lead or increase their deficit. Kobe didn't even make the top 50 in the Lenovo stat, which measures team success when different players are on the floor - http://www.nba.com/statistics/lenovo...&split=9&team=

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[Matt 26z]

At times they have a similar offensive game. However Kobe has never shown that he can play Jordan's level of defense.

[Beejeebers]

Not to mention Kobe is a dirty player...

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

At times they have a similar offensive game. However Kobe has never shown that he can play Jordan's level of defense.

I think Kobe has better and more moves, speed and agility, but I would give Jordan an edge on D. Kobe has made 1st team defense 4 times though and multiple 2nd team appearances. They are both very similar and at least people should be comparing them, because Kobe is that good IMO. He was good when he was 19(though Jordan is so loved that nobody wants to admit this except Mark Jackson) and he has proven to be as good as Mike, better or equal.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by Beejeebers

Not to mention Kobe is a dirty player...

No. He just plays hard and the league singles him out cuz of his image and to make him an example.

[Splum]

Because Kobe is scoring against SORRY ASS FUCKING TEAMS you gimp lol

[Kard63]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin

disregard his character and judge him on his basketball skills only

Then he is one of the top 10 guards ever.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by lazycash

Uh, not true at all, over the last three years the lakers have a better record without Kobe than the Suns do without Nash. Even with all the talent the Suns have, its amazing how they struggle without Nash. I've watched every Suns game this year and when Nash goes out of the game they almost always lose their lead or increase their deficit. Kobe didn't even make the top 50 in the Lenovo stat, which measures team success when different players are on the floor - http://www.nba.com/statistics/lenovo...&split=9&team=

The Suns suffer a lot without Nash, but they still are good, where the Lakers without Kobe would be near the bottom of the league. Hollinger stats have Kobe up there for efficiency and I remember seeing a stat last year where he was up there for value to his team.

[bdld]

65, 50, and 60 in three nights, no other player in the league can come close to matching that.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by Splum

Because Kobe is scoring against SORRY ASS FUCKING TEAMS you gimp lol

oh yeah? He wouldn't be the scoring leader if he only scored against sorry teams. Did you forget 62 in 3 quarters against Dallas last year?

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by bdld

65, 50, and 60 in three nights, no other player in the league can come close to matching that.

Definitely no active player....

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin

oh yeah? He wouldn't be the scoring leader if he only scored only against sorry teams. Did you forget 62 in 3 quarters against Dallas last year?

Dallas was just starting to get defense last year, theyve always been known as a sorry ass defensive team. Kobe is a great player but he is nowhere near the complete player Michael Jordan was. Being scoring leader a year or two doesnt make you the greatest NBA player ever. Swing on his nuts a little bit more you might break em lol. Plus the Lakers are barely a .500 team lol.

[Phil]

NO, he is not.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by Splum

Dallas was just starting to get defense last year, theyve always been known as a sorry ass defensive team. Kobe is a great player but he is nowhere near the complete player Michael Jordan was. Being scoring leader a year or two doesnt make you the greatest NBA player ever. Swing on his nuts a little bit more you might break em lol. Plus the Lakers are barely a .500 team lol.

The Lakers were in the top 5 the first quarter of the season. Then they had 3 starters injured and that is why they lost a lot of games. Now they have their starters back and playing and they are doing well again. Kobe is a complete player. He excels at scoring and clutch, but he didn't make 1st team defense 4 times and 2nd team many times for nothing. He has 3 championships at 28 and people like Mark Jackson say he will be the greatest ever while many stars, including Lebron, Wade, etc etc say he's the best in the league.... and he's got a lot of years left in him.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin

......

Hmm you have an anti-American website AND you are in love with a rapist. You dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

[MrKinkade]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin

he's been on fire many times throughout his career, but yeah, damn ... 65, 50 and 60 last 3 games! It's not just scoring either. He can assist well when he has to/wants to, rebound, steal, plays great D, even runs down and blocks shots and clutch! With Odom and Walton healthy, The Lakers are a top 3 team IMO

is that outside Dallas pheniox and detroit wait they are a 6th seed ahead of the clippers for the 8th spot in the west by 4 games .. so right there theres 5 teams better then the lakers just in the west and they are a top 3 team.. they haven't been since shaq left...

i'd put dewayne wade and stoudimire before kobe yeah he scored 65,50,60 but against memphis ( 17-52),minnesota (29,38), and portland (28,40)........ not really defensive teams there huh

[Axeman]

Jordan made everyone around him better. Kobe makes himself and only himself better. Lots of skills but not the total package that Jordan was. If Jordan wanted to go out and do it for himself nightly he could have put up Kobe type numbers in today's game. Remember the west these days plays pretty up and down offense and higher scoring games than the east does and more than was put up during most of Jordan's era.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by Splum

Hmm you have an anti-American website AND you are in love with a rapist. You dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

no I have an anti-fucked up America web site and I love an "alleged" rapist.. never went to trial...

[Axeman]

On a side note it was fun to watch the run and gun game tonight. I love watching Memphis these days (I am a fan it should be noted). They dont win a lot but they sure throw them up! Defense is not a term they understand. Love it.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by Axeman

Jordan made everyone around him better. Kobe makes himself and only himself better. Lots of skills but not the total package that Jordan was. If Jordan wanted to go out and do it for himself nightly he could have put up Kobe type numbers in today's game. Remember the west these days plays pretty up and down offense and higher scoring games than the east does and more than was put up during most of Jordan's era.

Jordan just had good teammates. Pippen, Rodman, etc. etc. come on... He was mainly a scorer, like Kobe is most of the time. Kobe can assist too though and I like it when he mixes it up more, so it's hard for teams to predict if he'll score a lot or pass a lot on a given night. I admit he should pass more, but man when his fucking team can't catch a pass or make a shot, then he should take over like he has been doing and winning.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by Axeman

On a side note it was fun to watch the run and gun game tonight. I love watching Memphis these days (I am a fan it should be noted). They dont win a lot but they sure throw them up! Defense is not a term they understand. Love it.

Damn that Miller can shoot.... yeah it was good...

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin

Jordan just had good teammates. Pippen, Rodman, etc. etc. come on... He was mainly a scorer, like Kobe is most of the time. Kobe can assist too though and I like it when he mixes it up more, so it's hard for teams to predict if he'll score a lot or pass a lot on a given night. I admit he should pass more, but man when his fucking team can't catch a pass or make a shot, then he should take over like he has been doing and winning.

Imagine Kobe with Pippen and Rodman in their prime!

Odom and Kwame are not even close. Kobe doesn't really have a second option. He is the second and third option. He has to do a lot himself. The rest of the team just facillitates him.

I miss Rodman!

[CyberAgeGary]

In about 10 years, everybody will be talking about Kobe as the best basketball player ever... Period...

He just can't be stopped... He will be better then Jordan, if he isn't already...