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BV · 04-30-2007, 11:34 PM

How do these torrent sites get away with ignoring 2257? You know that these files have to be hosted on servers somewhere. Not all this shit is p2p'ing off surfers PC's.

Who's servers are pumping this shit out??????????????

Tryme · 04-30-2007, 11:41 PM

They are outside the us?

Paul Markham · 05-01-2007, 12:53 AM

I was talking to Joan of ACASP at the Amsterdam show about the type of people the FBI are targeting are the type of people who will have the paperwork as near to perfect as possible.

Seems to me that if they were serious about catching someone they would not be going after Wicked and Hustler type companies.

donkevlar · 05-01-2007, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BV

How do these torrent sites get away with ignoring 2257? You know that these files have to be hosted on servers somewhere. Not all this shit is p2p'ing off surfers PC's.

Who's servers are pumping this shit out??????????????

Torrents = All on users computers. Only the .torrent file is on the servers.

flashfire · 05-01-2007, 01:11 AM

torrent sites only index files....like oh I dont know say google, lets take them down

TommyM · 05-01-2007, 03:32 AM

nothing illegal in torrent sites, only the surfers that "host" the files

crockett · 05-01-2007, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I was talking to Joan of ACASP at the Amsterdam show about the type of people the FBI are targeting are the type of people who will have the paperwork as near to perfect as possible.

Seems to me that if they were serious about catching someone they would not be going after Wicked and Hustler type companies.

Well let's not forget, the intent of the law is to be used to make sure underage children are not being used in adult content. The law's intent isn't to make sure someone has their documents in order.

So to go after someone simply because they think the documents aren't in order is not in the law's scope IMO. Assuming the law is used to focus on it's primary intent of protecting children.

Jace · 05-01-2007, 03:45 AM

the whole basis OF the product is that it ISN'T hosted on a server somewhere, only the torrent file is, which is why it is so cheap to run a torrent search engine and new ones pop up every day

all files are hosted on a users computer and tiny parts are shared each time, which makes it so hard to go after pirates

BV · 05-01-2007, 08:19 PM

But what is the exact process how the first file gets propagated?

I have done my share of P2P marketing with my own servers (with my content) and in time the files get out there on other computers but I also served out a lot of files myself from my own server to start off with.

Are you guys telling me that these torrent sites are not doing the same?

You know, sort of like DH does if you order a P2P traffic package from him. He takes your files and blasts them out there off his servers for you to get them out there quick.

My question is, would torrent sites do the same to get the files out there and get each file started?

RawAlex · 05-01-2007, 08:22 PM

Torrent sites, newsgroups... it is going to be an interesting legal minefield for the next little while.

BV · 05-01-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Well let's not forget, the intent of the law is to be used to make sure underage children are not being used in adult content. The law's intent isn't to make sure someone has their documents in order.

So to go after someone simply because they think the documents aren't in order is not in the law's scope IMO. Assuming the law is used to focus on it's primary intent of protecting children.

I disagree with you, because in Civil court when you are suing someone and you show that they are not only ripping you off but also breaking a Federal law, well, your case just got stronger my friend.

I'm just throwing this shit out there, not saying I'm right or wrong, just looking for an interesting discussion.

PS: and all you guys supporting content theft can go suck a dick!

BobG · 05-01-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by donkevlar

Torrents = All on users computers. Only the .torrent file is on the servers.

Is that not like... the guy who drives the getaway car didn't actually rob the bank?

04-30-2007, 11:34 PM	#1
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05-01-2007, 12:53 AM	#3
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04-30-2007, 11:41 PM	#2
Tryme Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 596	They are outside the us?

05-01-2007, 01:11 AM	#5
flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	torrent sites only index files....like oh I dont know say google, lets take them down

05-01-2007, 03:32 AM	#6
TommyM Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 1,147	nothing illegal in torrent sites, only the surfers that "host" the files

05-01-2007, 03:45 AM	#8
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	the whole basis OF the product is that it ISN'T hosted on a server somewhere, only the torrent file is, which is why it is so cheap to run a torrent search engine and new ones pop up every day all files are hosted on a users computer and tiny parts are shared each time, which makes it so hard to go after pirates

05-01-2007, 08:19 PM	#9
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	But what is the exact process how the first file gets propagated? I have done my share of P2P marketing with my own servers (with my content) and in time the files get out there on other computers but I also served out a lot of files myself from my own server to start off with. Are you guys telling me that these torrent sites are not doing the same? You know, sort of like DH does if you order a P2P traffic package from him. He takes your files and blasts them out there off his servers for you to get them out there quick. My question is, would torrent sites do the same to get the files out there and get each file started?

05-01-2007, 08:22 PM	#10
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Torrent sites, newsgroups... it is going to be an interesting legal minefield for the next little while.