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  • JD
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Sep 2003
    • 22651

    #1

    Tired of getting your sales stolen?

    Then you need to contact the programs you push and tell them they need to file lawsuits against programs stealing traffic via spyware and other related products (Zango)

    From another board

    what if McDonald's had people in front of Burger King, who'd grab visitors by the arm and drag them to their place, would BK file suit? It just seems to me that adult sponsors do not have enough brains to figure this out on their own.
    Something needs to be done NOW or this shit will continue until affiliates are a thing of the past and programs just steal from other programs. Round and round we go...

    All it takes is a class action lawsuit against a big program such as AFF...
  • fris
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Aug 2002
    • 55679

    #2
    or someone could just own zangos servers and forward all traffic to www.hai2u.com
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    • JD
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Sep 2003
      • 22651

      #3
      Originally posted by Fris
      or someone could just own zangos servers and forward all traffic to www.hai2u.com
      wow... that'd be fucking sweet!

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      • BradM
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2003
        • 3397

        #4
        I don't mind zango. I just buy ads from them and steal back the sales they are stealing.


        j/k.

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        • JD
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Sep 2003
          • 22651

          #5
          Originally posted by BradM
          I don't mind zango. I just buy ads from them and steal back the sales they are stealing.


          j/k.

          mmmmhmmm O_o

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          • porno jew
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Nov 2006
            • 10166

            #6
            adapt or die. the law of the jungle is still in effect.

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            • JD
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Sep 2003
              • 22651

              #7
              Originally posted by porno jew
              adapt or die. the law of the jungle is still in effect.
              troll. so who's fake nick are you?

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              • JD
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Sep 2003
                • 22651

                #8
                bump in the trunk

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                • tranza
                  ICQ: 197-556-237
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 57559

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Fris
                  or someone could just own zangos servers and forward all traffic to www.hai2u.com
                  That's just disgusting.....
                  I'm just a newbie.

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                  • DamageX
                    Marketing & Strategy
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 14293

                    #10
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                    • Sosa
                      In Tushy Land
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 40149

                      #11
                      porno jew is pry someone doing this fucking codec installing...

                      sperm I totaly agree with you. It is going to take us standing up as an industry to get some of this shit stopped.

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                      • DamageX
                        Marketing & Strategy
                        • Jun 2001
                        • 14293

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Sosa
                        porno jew is pry someone doing this fucking codec installing...

                        sperm I totaly agree with you. It is going to take us standing up as an industry to get some of this shit stopped.
                        That's the problem actually, everyone thinks we ALL have to be together on fighting this one, but it doesn't really have to be the case. In reality, any sponsor getting their visitors hijacked at point-of-sale can file a suit against Zango and whoever bids on hijacking the visitor on their domain name. So all it takes is a few sponsors to file class action against these clowns and they're toast.
                        Whitehat is for chumps

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                        • BVF
                          Black Vagina Finder
                          • Jan 2002
                          • 13975

                          #13
                          Originally posted by SPeRMiNaToR
                          All it takes is a class action lawsuit against a big program such as AFF...
                          I'm sure that you'll do your part and take a lower payout to help pay for the lawsuit.

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                          • DamageX
                            Marketing & Strategy
                            • Jun 2001
                            • 14293

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BVF
                            I'm sure that you'll do your part and take a lower payout to help pay for the lawsuit.
                            Thing is, if the lawsuit won't happen, sponsors themselves may end up taking considerable paycuts.
                            Whitehat is for chumps

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                            • TheDoc
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Jul 2001
                              • 13827

                              #15
                              I think the every day webmaster should ban together, take time away from everything they do, spend the extra money and efforts, to fight spyware. It's your money, sales, and traffic..

                              Or do you really want someone else to spend the money and time to protect your money and traffic?
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                              • jact
                                Confirmed User
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 9134

                                #16
                                I have something in the works, something very good for this whole situation...
                                Free agent

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                                • DamageX
                                  Marketing & Strategy
                                  • Jun 2001
                                  • 14293

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by TheDoc
                                  I think the every day webmaster should ban together, take time away from everything they do, spend the extra money and efforts, to fight spyware. It's your money, sales, and traffic..

                                  Or do you really want someone else to spend the money and time to protect your money and traffic?
                                  So how to you suggest that I, as an affiliate, file a suit against either Zango or their advertisers for hijacking traffic I send to any sponsor? What argument would you bring up in court, in order to explain the loss I am taking due to this?
                                  Whitehat is for chumps

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                                  • DamageX
                                    Marketing & Strategy
                                    • Jun 2001
                                    • 14293

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by jact
                                    I have something in the works, something very good for this whole situation...
                                    Is it a class action suit?
                                    Whitehat is for chumps

                                    If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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                                    • RawAlex
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Oct 2003
                                      • 9465

                                      #19
                                      Adult Sponsors are relying on the old "beer and pussy at convention" defense, hoping that anyone with enough money to afford a lawyer in the right jurisdiction will be on their suckup list and they won't have to worry.

                                      Sponsors knowingly paying for "stolen" or redirected surfers (especially now that Zango has paid a fine for misleading or downright fraudulent installs) are running a huge risk that someone will pop up and paper them over.

                                      SPONSORS! WAKE UP! The alarm clock is going off, do something before someone does it for you, with teeth.

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                                      • starpimps
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                                        • Sep 2006
                                        • 6954

                                        #20
                                        zango will bend over and take it very soon
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                                        • TheDoc
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • Jul 2001
                                          • 13827

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by DamageX
                                          So how to you suggest that I, as an affiliate, file a suit against either Zango or their advertisers for hijacking traffic I send to any sponsor? What argument would you bring up in court, in order to explain the loss I am taking due to this?
                                          The problem is you don't know what Zango is. It's not spyware. It's legal, thats the bitch. I have Zango members - so how in hell am I going to prove loss?
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                                          • TheDoc
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Jul 2001
                                            • 13827

                                            #22
                                            Zango was hit for some nasty crap they did, or they say affiliates did. Point of that case showed they can and did get away with it. Until you can prove "Zango" is doing illegal/forced installs - you have no case.

                                            You can send a C&D on keyword bids on your domain, but you can't sue them unless you own the trademark.
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                                            • spacedog
                                              Yes that IS me. Bitch.
                                              • Nov 2001
                                              • 14149

                                              #23
                                              Who are you fucking kidding???

                                              Go visit the majority of big sponsors paysites..

                                              Who's fucking in the pop-up & consoles? AFF!

                                              I dropped all promotion of mayors money because they advertise Adult Friend Finder..

                                              I dropped many sponsors & will continue to drop every single one of them that promotes AFF or Cams.com or any of their products.

                                              Their was one the other night I was going to consider promoting, but nope.. fucking AFF console so fuck them too.


                                              you know what.. I think we need to make a thread & list every single sponsor that promotes AFF or sends traffic to AFF..

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                                              • DamageX
                                                Marketing & Strategy
                                                • Jun 2001
                                                • 14293

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                The problem is you don't know what Zango is. It's not spyware. It's legal, thats the bitch. I have Zango members - so how in hell am I going to prove loss?
                                                Zango as an application may be legal. But the advertising methods employed by them aren't. I believe there have been lawsuits where people got fucked for bidding on competitor's names on PPC engines and stuff like that. How's Zango any different? And if that doesn't work, see the quote in the first post of this thread. I believe hijacking a potential client at the point-of-sale could prove to be heavily frowned upon by any judge, as well as the FTC.
                                                Whitehat is for chumps

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                                                • Voodoo
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                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                  • 10600

                                                  #25
                                                  http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2006/11/zango.htm

                                                  "Consumers' computers belong to them, and they shouldn't have to accept any content they don’t want," said Lydia Parnes, Director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection. "If consumers choose to receive pop-up ads, so be it. But it violates federal law to secretly install software that forces consumers to get pop-ups that disrupt their computer use."

                                                  "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

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                                                  • TheDoc
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                    • 13827

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by DamageX
                                                    Zango as an application may be legal. But the advertising methods employed by them aren't. I believe there have been lawsuits where people got fucked for bidding on competitor's names on PPC engines and stuff like that. How's Zango any different? And if that doesn't work, see the quote in the first post of this thread. I believe hijacking a potential client at the point-of-sale could prove to be heavily frowned upon by any judge, as well as the FTC.
                                                    That's the problem, they aren't stealing a clients at the point-of-sale. They POP an exit, which they are allowed to do, and they can reset the cookie, which is legal for tracking.

                                                    Its not normal spyware where it shows a different join page or redirects you to a new location. It just pops a ad..
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                                                    • DamageX
                                                      Marketing & Strategy
                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                      • 14293

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                      That's the problem, they aren't stealing a clients at the point-of-sale. They POP an exit, which they are allowed to do, and they can reset the cookie, which is legal for tracking.

                                                      Its not normal spyware where it shows a different join page or redirects you to a new location. It just pops a ad..
                                                      Cool, let's go back to the McD/BK analogy I used earlier. You're hungry and on your way to enter BK, when someone from McD stands in front of you as you're about to walk through the door, with a huge sign advertising McD. Think that would fly?
                                                      Whitehat is for chumps

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                                                      • TheDoc
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                        • 13827

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by spacedog
                                                        Who are you fucking kidding??? Go visit the majority of big sponsors paysites.. Who's fucking in the pop-up & consoles? AFF! I dropped all promotion of mayors money because they advertise Adult Friend Finder.. I dropped many sponsors & will continue to drop every single one of them that promotes AFF or Cams.com or any of their products. Their was one the other night I was going to consider promoting, but nope.. fucking AFF console so fuck them too. you know what.. I think we need to make a thread & list every single sponsor that promotes AFF or sends traffic to AFF..
                                                        This is about the biggest thing webmasters could do as a whole. The problem is GFY is only a small % of webmasters. Many people over the last several months have said they dropped Zango backed sponsors

                                                        Yet ranking wise, on alexa at least, it doesn't seem to have hurt them at all.
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                                                        • TheDoc
                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                          • 13827

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by DamageX
                                                          Cool, let's go back to the McD/BK analogy I used earlier. You're hungry and on your way to enter BK, when someone from McD stands in front of you as you're about to walk through the door, with a huge sign advertising McD. Think that would fly?
                                                          I can see, record, and track this..

                                                          With Spyware I can't see it, track it, it changes every day, instead of 1, its millions, I can't stop it by calling the police. With my visitors they often do not know they are being taken away.

                                                          Zango isn't spyware, I can see it, but I can't stop it, I can't call the police, I could block the visitors but I have Zango members, so that would be stupid.
                                                          Last edited by TheDoc; 03-14-2007, 03:40 PM.
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                                                          • DamageX
                                                            Marketing & Strategy
                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                            • 14293

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                            I can see, record, and track this..

                                                            With Spyware I can't see it, track it, it changes every day, instead of 1, its millions, I can't stop it by calling the police. With my visitors they often do not know they are being taken away.

                                                            Zango isn't spyware, I can see it, but I can't stop it, I can't call the police, I could block the visitors but I have Zango members, so that would be stupid.
                                                            Doesn't make it less shady and just because they haven't been challenged in court yet doesn't mean it can't be done successfully. All you need is a slick lawyer.
                                                            Whitehat is for chumps

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                                                            • spacedog
                                                              Yes that IS me. Bitch.
                                                              • Nov 2001
                                                              • 14149

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                              This is about the biggest thing webmasters could do as a whole. The problem is GFY is only a small % of webmasters. Many people over the last several months have said they dropped Zango backed sponsors

                                                              Yet ranking wise, on alexa at least, it doesn't seem to have hurt them at all.
                                                              Not only do we need to drop zango backed sponsors, but also drop those who promote & send traffic to zango backed sponsors.

                                                              Lately, I've been checking sites & I will remove every single ad, link, gallery etc to any sponsor that promotes AFF.

                                                              What also pisses me off, is friggen sponsors who pop an AFF console IN FRONT OF THE TOUR YOU'RE SELLING!!!

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                                                              • DamageX
                                                                Marketing & Strategy
                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                • 14293

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by spacedog
                                                                Not only do we need to drop zango backed sponsors, but also drop those who promote & send traffic to zango backed sponsors.
                                                                That won't help. ANYONE can bid on ANY domain name with Zango. So just because you send traffic to sponsor X doesn't mean AFF won't bid on that domain name to intercept your traffic. Worse yet, someone else can bid on that domain name using the same sponsor and simply have Zango pop a console to overwrite the set cookie containing your refid.
                                                                Whitehat is for chumps

                                                                If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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                                                                • Voodoo
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                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                  • 10600

                                                                  #33
                                                                  http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=714700

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                                                                  • DamageX
                                                                    Marketing & Strategy
                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                    • 14293

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Won't work.
                                                                    Whitehat is for chumps

                                                                    If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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                                                                    • Fucking myself
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                                      • 234

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                      That won't help. ANYONE can bid on ANY domain name with Zango. So just because you send traffic to sponsor X doesn't mean AFF won't bid on that domain name to intercept your traffic. Worse yet, someone else can bid on that domain name using the same sponsor and simply have Zango pop a console to overwrite the set cookie containing your refid.

                                                                      HUH ????

                                                                      Can someone explain to me what AFF and Zango are doing? I haven't been here is awhile.

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                                                                      • spacedog
                                                                        Yes that IS me. Bitch.
                                                                        • Nov 2001
                                                                        • 14149

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                        That won't help. ANYONE can bid on ANY domain name with Zango. So just because you send traffic to sponsor X doesn't mean AFF won't bid on that domain name to intercept your traffic. Worse yet, someone else can bid on that domain name using the same sponsor and simply have Zango pop a console to overwrite the set cookie containing your refid.
                                                                        If enough webmasters told sponsor X that they're going to drop traffic because sponsor X is promoting AFF, I think sponsor x would likely consider dropping their advertising campain for AFF. What I suggested was not so much about zango, but about stopping traffic to those who support zango's biggest client.

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                                                                        • RawAlex
                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                                          • 9465

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by spacedog
                                                                          If enough webmasters told sponsor X that they're going to drop traffic because sponsor X is promoting AFF, I think sponsor x would likely consider dropping their advertising campain for AFF. What I suggested was not so much about zango, but about stopping traffic to those who support zango's biggest client.
                                                                          When people started to do that to cams and aff, all they did was start to turn an even more blind eye to bullshit content theiving pieces of shit, and they take the traffic from there. They are having a hard time finding enough greed sucks to push their contest thread along around here, I think most people have figured out that they don't want to do business with them at this point.

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                                                                          • smutx
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                                            • 1190

                                                                            #38
                                                                            i have seen spyware for aff since 2001 when i first got infected by one... they dont care its all about greed

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                                                                            • JD
                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                              • Sep 2003
                                                                              • 22651

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by BVF
                                                                              I'm sure that you'll do your part and take a lower payout to help pay for the lawsuit.
                                                                              fucking eh I would. If with Zango in the mix I do 10 35PPS/day versus w/o Zango I do 15 25PPS/day I'll take the 15 sales.

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                                                                              • germ
                                                                                ( o Y o )
                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                • 3108

                                                                                #40
                                                                                i think informing your surfers of whats going on would be the best thing. let them know what zango is and does and inform them of the latest tactics people are using to get the installs (ie: "codec" installs).

                                                                                using smokeys notification script, redirect zango infected surfers that visit your site to an alternative page informing them that they are infected, why they should remove it, and how to get it off their systems.

                                                                                education is the real cure for this problem.

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                                                                                • Linkster
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                  • 3216

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  germ - in an ideal world education would work - in the world we live in it wont - we cant even get parents to turn on adult filters for their children
                                                                                  Remember that most of us are pretty competent at using a computer - but we are a very small minority - most people can find the power switch and thats about it

                                                                                  Now if you could get Mcaffee, norton, webroot and a few others to put zango and funwebproducts into their protection schemes - then you would have something
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                                                                                  • ttuurrbboo
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                    • 652

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Actually to me, it looks like McD waitress goes inside the BK and is serving McD foods to the guests and guests are paying her. Well, BK spent money to get the guest inside BK restaurant but McD waitress is stealing from inside and is serving her food inside a foreign restaurant. What a bitch.
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                                                                                    • Major (Tom)
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                                                      • 32492

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      what should happen is we should all band together and file a class action against the large sponsors who buy adds on torrent sites, password sites etc.
                                                                                      from what i've been told they can be found liable.
                                                                                      Duke

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                                                                                      • DamageX
                                                                                        Marketing & Strategy
                                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                                        • 14293

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
                                                                                        what should happen is we should all band together and file a class action against the large sponsors who buy adds on torrent sites, password sites etc.
                                                                                        from what i've been told they can be found liable.
                                                                                        Duke
                                                                                        That works too.
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                                                                                        • Lanceman
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Mar 2007
                                                                                          • 301

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          ok I have had alot of problems with my shit please read my story here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                          http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=714455

                                                                                          Tell me what you think if I got infected or not and please post over there.

                                                                                          Im not trying to hijack this thread so dont get up my ass for that Im just aware that you guys over here are aware of alot and I value your opinions!

                                                                                          Any help would be awesome..........

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                                                                                          • Lanceman
                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                            • Mar 2007
                                                                                            • 301

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Lanceman
                                                                                            ok I have had alot of problems with my shit please read my story here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                            http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=714455

                                                                                            Tell me what you think if I got infected or not and please post over there.

                                                                                            Im not trying to hijack this thread so dont get up my ass for that Im just aware that you guys over here are aware of alot and I value your opinions!

                                                                                            Any help would be awesome..........
                                                                                            P.S. after this is all over I say we all go to fucking Burger king and ask the for a .99cent Big Mac!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                            Just to see the dumb ass look on their face.

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                                                                                            • JD
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Sep 2003
                                                                                              • 22651

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              yaaaaarg back to tha top with ye

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                                                                                              • germ
                                                                                                ( o Y o )
                                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                                • 3108

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Linkster
                                                                                                germ - in an ideal world education would work - in the world we live in it wont - we cant even get parents to turn on adult filters for their children
                                                                                                Remember that most of us are pretty competent at using a computer - but we are a very small minority - most people can find the power switch and thats about it

                                                                                                Now if you could get Mcaffee, norton, webroot and a few others to put zango and funwebproducts into their protection schemes - then you would have something
                                                                                                point taken, and youre absolutely right. the people that know the least are the ones using nortons and mcaffee. hell, if windows anti spyware thing included it, it wouldnt even be an issue anymore.

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                                                                                                • zalka
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Nov 2006
                                                                                                  • 168

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Linkster
                                                                                                  Now if you could get Mcaffee, norton, webroot and a few others to put zango and funwebproducts into their protection schemes - then you would have something
                                                                                                  Thats the best idea sofar, but how would you go abought it.


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                                                                                                  • JamesK2
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                                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                                    • 6589

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Goodluck with that.

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