if you fill your position and find other qualfied candidates, please feel free to refer to e. i pay referrral fee. meeow

I thought making $ was the hardest part! Its not, its finding help!! I have never found good help, EVER! My coder company i work with now comes close, but not enough. I always just do everything myself. If i know how to do it then, i do it.

This happens all the time in the non-adult world. Back in the mid 90's I worked in the electronics industry and one of the companies I worked for would hire touch-up and quality control people all the time. They never wanted to pay more than about 50 cents an hour over minimum wage. So they never got anyone with experience. They would hire people, train them and watch them leave 9 months later for somewhere that would give them an instant 2-3 dollar an hour raise. If they would have just given the raise to the now experienced people they wouldn't be stuck in a constant mode of training and hiring.

Anyone worth having is had. Anyone not worth it, jumps from company to company or tries to employ themselves.

STAY AWAY from the ship jumpers, they are problems in a box.

Hey now, I've been employing myself since 93. While I feel I take WAY too many potty breaks as I get older, my ability to mirror my boss's innermost feelings makes it quite a pleasure to work with me :)

I probably need a raise......

Damn good benefits! :thumbsup

and some days you just wanna work from bed while taking naps! :2 cents:

thats when i use my laptop in bed with my projector and work off my wall

:thumbsup sounds good lol

Biggest problems are relocation and beeing too picky. Most people won't relocate just like that, because it requires a whole change in lifestyle, for something they aren't sure would work out, so many are reluctant to do so. So if things don't work out, they're fucked and have alot more hassle then what it was worth it.
Then there's the "give me your references" thing, so if they don't have them, noone wants to hire them (how are they going to get any that way?). If they do have them, you ask yourself "why'd he get layed off from that other job?". Then there's the low pay people offer for things like complete webmaster job, submitting galleries, making them, working as an affiliate manager and whatnot.

And then there's the huge pool of lamers who won't work that makes employers even more picky and suspicious of the new employees workhabbits so they want them localy.


Oh, and ATK is hiring aswell (not sure of the status currently)
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=705445

Relocating - I know when working in the corporate world, way, way back in the stone ages, they paid for your move AND your move back if you were there less than 6 months. Again, the interview process for these positions wasn't "send me a resume, oh, you know Joe then you must be OK, so you're hired", but it gave people a bit more of a warm fuzzy feeling knowing they were going get back and/or keep the job and/or have developed enough contacts in 6 months to stay.

IBM was even sweeter - they gave my Dad a huge bonus every time they didn't keep us in the same city for 2 years. Pissed my mother off when we'd build a house or she'd gut/rebuild only to be moved again a year later, but when she was handed the check for the next job, she was happy again :)

It obviously won't apply to all, but I suspect one reason for the revolving door syndrome is that many entrepreneurs make the worst bosses. They may know they need help, but they don't really want it, since they are reluctant to actually trust anyone or allow them to work independently. It's almost a given that entrepreneurial types are convinced they are the only people who can run their businesses well.

There is the kind who hires at gofer rates but still expects someone who is as dedicated and impassioned as he is. There are others who pay higher rates but then use the person as a gofer. That simply causes frustration on both sides.

And I guess the most common mistake of all is wanting someone who is an expert in several - basically unrelated - fields. Such people do exist and some will hire themselves out, but they are few and far between. It is usually more productive to hand off some responsibilities (almost) entirely, than to try to find someone to take some of the load off everything.

companies are always hiring, its part of the business. you should know since you seem to change your job quite often.

The whole relocation thing really hurts you as well. I think that's something that really hurts online companies. I can totally understand the wanting in house people, but look how fast people come and go from these companies.

I mean hell we just saw this play out here on GFY the last few days. So why anyone whom is already in a good position would relocate is beyond me, unless there was something set in stone.

could a big problem be people go to work in adult and dont take it as serious as say if they worked for ebay or google?

unfortunately that also happens the other way round :2 cents:

live and learn

yeah being offered more money sucks balls.

I think that may have some ring of truth. I've always thought that people go to work for an affiliate program, they see what affiliates are doing to make money and they start doing that on the side and pretty soon they decide they can make more working for themselves.

The same doesn't hold true for a lot of businesses. A person can work at Intel, but the don't have the capitol to start up an Intel like business so they stay there. Most people an save the couple hundred bucks it takes to get into this business.

Back I go to the fact that many of the people in adult haven't worked in any other true business field. Of course even the biggest adult companies aren't as strict as say, ATT, but it's also not as lax as bagging groceries, being a golf caddy, or being a fry boy. That's where a lot of the "we want inhouse" comes from. There are people who can do a good job with a large amount of supervision but would be totally lost trying to do it with little supervision.

There's also a very sharp double edged sword that I see in this business more than others: It's SO easy to work for yourself and make more than you do working for someone else. I can't go out and start a cellular company instead of working for Cingular, but I can start my own adult biz (nowdays with relatively little start up $$$$) and make good money.

However, back we go to supervision. Those who DO need a lot of supervision will more than likely never set out to start their own business, so a company pretty much has them where they want them :)

Dang, Kane - I should have just waited for your post :)

Yo money soup nazi... i may have someone for ya... hit me up later tonight...

As Nicky simply put it... "I'm up for Hire."

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh


werd i'll be at penny flames bday party starting at 9. i'll catch ya before i hope.

I could use a part time job. If anybody needs help with aff support, sales, gallery reviewing, etc. I have my resume ready :)
nik

Working for someone else sucks.

samp!!!!!!!!!

LOL great minds think alike :)

I would rather have an employer pay for relocation than all of the above... well ok maybe not the Disney thing, I've never been to disney...lol

No seriously, I would relocate in a heartbeat for a job as long as my employer, or employer upon arrival would help out with relocation. It is incredibly expensive to move across the country, nevermind a finding a place to live from 3000 miles away, that is almost impossible. I priced it out a few months ago, it would cost me $8k to have a moving company move me from North Carolina to LA, $4500 if I rented a truck and did it myself.

There are all kinds of jobs out there and tons of applicants but if reloacting is part of the deal the resume pool is going to be a lot smaller as it is just way to expensive to move these days. Hell if i could find an employer that would help with moving expenses I would have moved to LA a long damn time ago.

i think you may want to go back and read the post that prompted me to post that reply. where did i say i wouldnt pay to relocate the right person?

As of this morning I've shut my phone off for the next week...... Way too many phone calls.

and i wondered why no one answered when i was looking for some phone sex :disgust

i think you posted in the wrong thread buddy.

:)

I was just using your post kind of as a starting point, you pointed out the best parts of working for a company that still realizes their employees need to enjoy their working enviroment, but didn't mention relocation and thats what I see happening a lot. No one ever really mentions the relocation expenses part and I think that is part of what keeps the resume pool down. At the same time though I can understand why no one ever mentions it either.

Could you forward those calls to my number... all except the phone sex ones, I'll leave those up to you ;)

:winkwink: :thumbsup


i think that no one is going to post those things initially because it attracts people that are full of shit and want the money and perks more than they want to do the job. i was relocated by shanes world, i am pretty sure if we found the right person that anything is a possibility. this thread is for the other company really, not me. :)

I agree 100%, to post that initially would be asking for every moron in the world to apply and that is just wasting time. But at the same time I can't help but think I would have applied for quite a few other jobs over the years if I had known relocation expenses were even a possibility.

You have been on the wrong coast, you know how it is. :winkwink:

miss twisted i think that bottom line is we/they want to make sure we have the exact right person before you offer relocation. we dont want to attract people that waant to use us to get relocated and then ditch us once they are in the mecca of porn here in l.a. jobs are pretty lucrative here.

i know, i get plenty of offers all the time. there are way more jobs than qualified people. :(

i think its a catch 22 :(

errrr. :Oh crap :1orglaugh

If I were hiring someone and paying relocation expenses there would definitely be some kind of contract involved, I can't think of any other way a company could protect themselves. Can you?

It definitely a catch 22 situation that hasn't helped those of us that stick with their employers, but like you said jobs in that area are pretty lucrative so it sounds like there will always be a better offer and this will always be a revolving door industry.

What about companies which are firing :winkwink:

So do I get the job?

Here's a thought and maybe it's a little ways off base. It seems this industry has a pretty big turn over ratio. Not a week seems to go bye that someone isn't joining or leaving a program. I have to wonder, if I had a company in say, Los Angeles and I was hiring and found someone that lived in, say, Ohio. I pay for them to relocate and they move out and work for me.

Great I got the person they got the job, but to me there is something deeper going on here. It seems to me that someone that is able to drop everything and move across the country for a job may not be the most stable person in the world. I live where I do for a couple of reasons. First, I really like it here. This is a pretty cool city to live in and I like the weather and location. Second, my family is here and so are a lot of my friends. I'm connected to them and enjoy being around them. I have lived other places and missed them and they were factors in me wanting to move back to this area. So if someone has no connections holding them somewhere and can just pick up and move, I would question why they can do that. Maybe they just need the job or think it's a good opportunity, but I would always suspect there was something going on in their life that would allow them to do this and that something, whatever it is, will have them move on to the next job in a year.

Maybe it's late and I'm tired and over-thinking it though.

Jesus H. Christ is hiring again?

I enjoy working for myself in this biz.... worked for CCBill.com for a stint and will never call anyone boss again :)

btw, I have mad love for CCBill - great organization

lay off the more expensive, hire cheaper workers