USA debates bill on MANDATORY age check for internet sites - GoFuckYourself.com

SmokeyTheBear · 03-09-2007, 01:31 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070309/...nr 4fdt3MWM0F

sounds like more people who dont use the internet thinking up smart ideas lol

Just a few small problems..

What would a "social networking site" be ?

How do they deal with international people..?

wouldnt gfy be a social networking site ?

Would you send in your drivers license to gfy..

Then they go on to say they will reuqire the site owners to verify the id's against publicly available information to verify they are correct ? huh ?

someone needs to whack some sense into these people

hello idiots , you cant verify age over a computer.. fucking dipshits.

spunkmaster · 03-09-2007, 01:34 AM

Democratic-controlled legislature

SmokeyTheBear · 03-09-2007, 01:38 AM

we should band together and have a "common sense" person to explain things to gov officials who think up these fucktarted ideas.

Heres an idea. dont let your kids surf the internet.. duh.. if i have said it once ill say it a thousand times. THE INTERNET IS NOT FOR KIDS !!!

give them a CLOSED network of approved sites , thats it.. simple enough.. no laws needed just good parenting.. charge anyone who lets a child view the open internet with child endangerment. make it clear make it bold. do it at the isp level.. kids isps that are opt-in not opt-out everything else would be illegal for kids

mlove · 03-09-2007, 01:41 AM

Yes, in an era where people's identities are being stolen left and right, more distribution of personal records is definitely a good idea.

Gaybucks · 03-09-2007, 02:27 AM

I'm the last person in favor of more governmental regulation, but I've been talking with an open standards group that has been working on a third-party verified identity standard for a couple years now.

It's actually really cool, doesn't violate privacy and, if anything, can potentially enhance it, as even the site owner doesn't have to know the identity of the person as the trusted third party verifies the authenticity and then provides a credential. Only catch is, it's not reliable for people under 18 and only partially reliable for people under 21 because it relies on data collected by various data aggregators.

I was trying to pitch it to CCbill and Epoch as a potential voluntary way for the industry to avoid mandatory laws like this, but nobody seemed very interested.

Perhaps everyone would rather have a solution implemented by Halliburton at a cost of $5000 per webmaster per year :")

All that said, I do think there are free speech issues and am not in favor of the government being more intrusive.

mlove · 03-09-2007, 02:29 AM

How are they verifying the identities of these people, and how secure is it?

jayeff · 03-09-2007, 02:51 AM

Israel's Knesset (parliament) passed a bill through its first reading last Wednesday which, if passed into law, will require ISP's to filter out "adult" sites except for subscribers who prove their age. AFAIK no-one has yet figured out the practicalities and - since the bill is sponsored by Shas, a religious party - there are concerns that the term "adult" may be applied to more than just pornography.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-09-2007, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

Israel's Knesset (parliament) passed a bill through its first reading last Wednesday which, if passed into law, will require ISP's to filter out "adult" sites except for subscribers who prove their age. AFAIK no-one has yet figured out the practicalities and - since the bill is sponsored by Shas, a religious party - there are concerns that the term "adult" may be applied to more than just pornography.

the idea is so stupid its beyond comprehension , why go about it backwards when its so much easier "filter IN" safe material..

Instead of trying to take the porn "out" of the internet through filters, its much easier to add safe sites IN to a safe internet for kids..

instead of making every site and every company have to build complex systems to filter out porn that will NEVER work with the way the internet works now.. if you can upload a pic somewhere on the net instantly without it being reviewed, theres instant porn anywhere you cant stop it that way..

why not just put the onus on the parents.. make the internet just like alcohol , illegal for minors and illegal for parents to give access to minors.. then setup a safe kids isp. and ADD site sthat are safe like disney itunes etc ..

sicone · 03-09-2007, 03:11 AM

Another useless attempt to control everything

cranki · 03-09-2007, 03:14 AM

we have this mandatory age check for adult sites here in germany and it sucks major balls. There's only a handful of companies offering the age verification service (like ueber18.de) and people have to pay an annual fee in order to be able to even VIEW the participating adult sites. You can figure how many people are willing to signup when they've already paid for avs shit...

ADL Colin · 03-09-2007, 03:15 AM

Reminds me of COPA.

Y'all see this one yesterday?
PARIS, France (AP) -- A new law in France makes it a crime -- punishable by up to five years in prison -- for anyone who is not a professional journalist to film real-world violence and distribute the images on the Internet.

Barefootsies · 03-09-2007, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by spunkmaster

Democratic-controlled legislature

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aico · 03-09-2007, 03:29 AM

Jesus, and they wonder why identity theft is growing. Fucktards who don't even know what the internet is should not be making rules. It's like me going to a Polo match (never been) seeing something I don't like, and saying they should make a rule to stop it.

BigPinPin · 03-09-2007, 04:12 AM

we have this shit in germany and most of the webmasters started to give a shit about it, because no one wants to verify himself to access a porn site....that´s a fact. Sure, some will do it but trust me...it will kill many companies income. I saw what happend in germany....Companies left the country, Webmasters host outside germany, buy domains outside of germany and many of them are hiding as good as they can. For what ? Just to earn their money as they did before......next problem: how to convert international traffic ?

Leave me alone with age check ideas !

PleasurePimp · 03-09-2007, 04:18 AM

I think they do that in Germany already, or its a new coming law there...

jayeff · 03-09-2007, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

we should band together and have a "common sense" person to explain things to gov officials who think up these fucktarted ideas.

The consequence of dumbing down voters so that elections can be won with sound bites, is that you end up with dumb voters. Worse, you end up with many too lethargic to stir themselves even for the slogan-driven policies which will at least wake up a few.

I know it is popular to blame politicians and civil servants for all our ills, but we live in a world that is wall-to-wall with vested interests of one sort or another, from commercial through to those who believe they know what is best for all of us. So long as they make enough noise and the rest of us stay glued to our TV's you will keep seeing poorly thought out laws which often few want in the first place.

dynastoned · 03-09-2007, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Heres an idea. dont let your kids surf the internet.. duh.. if i have said it once ill say it a thousand times. THE INTERNET IS NOT FOR KIDS !!!

bingo!

commonsense · 03-09-2007, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

we should band together and have a "common sense" person to explain things to gov officials who think up these fucktarted ideas.

Heres an idea. dont let your kids surf the internet.. duh.. if i have said it once ill say it a thousand times. THE INTERNET IS NOT FOR KIDS !!!

give them a CLOSED network of approved sites , thats it.. simple enough.. no laws needed just good parenting.. charge anyone who lets a child view the open internet with child endangerment. make it clear make it bold. do it at the isp level.. kids isps that are opt-in not opt-out everything else would be illegal for kids

ok, I'll do it

Cman · 03-09-2007, 04:51 AM

Yet another reason why I have Dutch hosting and am very appreciative of my Canadian citizenship lol (comes in handy on the internet)

is it ironic that the US is the inventor of modern capitalism, yet continually tries to suppress one of its most profitable industries?

Antonio · 03-09-2007, 05:02 AM

We need radical solution - have a retina/DNA/whatever scan on every single PC, if you don't pass the age check 220 Volts of electricity hits you as soon as you grab the mouse. Damn kids, that'll teach them !

Cman · 03-09-2007, 05:07 AM

i got the internet when i was 15 (1995) for the specific purpose of looking at porn

aaaahhh the good old days when it took as long to download 1 low-res picture as it now takes to download an entire video.

of course, the excuse i gave to my parents was research for school.

jayeff · 03-09-2007, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by exp0sed

is it ironic that the US is the inventor of modern capitalism, yet continually tries to suppress one of its most profitable industries?

I suppose you could argue that it is equally ironic that such a profitable industry has done nothing to pre-empt government interference, by finding its own way to exclude minors from its sites...

TheDoc · 03-09-2007, 07:17 AM

I say the same BS I have been saying about this form day 1...

Movies / shows only have to display the warning.. No other filtering is done by the producers/studios, ect.

From here the cable companies provide filtering with the lock/password feature cable boxes have. So why don't do they do this with ISP's.. Where parents and kids can have logins, and since it's ISP controlled, kids can't remove the block..

Nodtveidt · 03-09-2007, 08:36 AM

The US government has way more important things to deal with than this petty bullshit.

MrPinks · 03-09-2007, 08:56 AM

"The committee in the Democratic-controlled legislature approved the measure to another board for further review. No representative from MySpace or other Internet sites testified."

Well it looks like it will pass and MySpace doesn't even give a shit to take a stand. It won't be long before adult goes out of business for US webmasters. They are throwing out laws left an right and not one fucking company is standing up. They are creating these laws because they is virtually no opposition. Pretty fucked up.

Nodtveidt · 03-09-2007, 09:01 AM

"This is not about putting companies out of business, this is about helping parents"

Wanna help parents? FUCKING EDUCATE THEM, DIPSHITS.

RawAlex · 03-09-2007, 09:55 AM

Smokey, please clear the following things up:

It's isn't "USA", it is Connecticut. A single state law won't change the universe, and almost certainly will be difficult to apply to companies not bases in the state.

Further, as a state law attempting to regulate interstate commerce, it would likely not pass the stink test in court. The states can wave their hands and raise a stink, but they cannot force a company outside of the state to comply with their state regulations.

03-09-2007, 01:31 AM	#1
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	USA debates bill on MANDATORY age check for internet sites http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070309/...nr 4fdt3MWM0F sounds like more people who dont use the internet thinking up smart ideas lol Just a few small problems.. What would a "social networking site" be ? How do they deal with international people..? wouldnt gfy be a social networking site ? Would you send in your drivers license to gfy.. Then they go on to say they will reuqire the site owners to verify the id's against publicly available information to verify they are correct ? huh ? someone needs to whack some sense into these people hello idiots , you cant verify age over a computer.. fucking dipshits. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-09-2007, 01:34 AM	#2
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SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	we should band together and have a "common sense" person to explain things to gov officials who think up these fucktarted ideas. Heres an idea. dont let your kids surf the internet.. duh.. if i have said it once ill say it a thousand times. THE INTERNET IS NOT FOR KIDS !!! give them a CLOSED network of approved sites , thats it.. simple enough.. no laws needed just good parenting.. charge anyone who lets a child view the open internet with child endangerment. make it clear make it bold. do it at the isp level.. kids isps that are opt-in not opt-out everything else would be illegal for kids __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

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mlove the guy Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 764	Yes, in an era where people's identities are being stolen left and right, more distribution of personal records is definitely a good idea. __________________ If you won't feel as good, I won't feel as cheap.

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Gaybucks Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 451	I'm the last person in favor of more governmental regulation, but I've been talking with an open standards group that has been working on a third-party verified identity standard for a couple years now. It's actually really cool, doesn't violate privacy and, if anything, can potentially enhance it, as even the site owner doesn't have to know the identity of the person as the trusted third party verifies the authenticity and then provides a credential. Only catch is, it's not reliable for people under 18 and only partially reliable for people under 21 because it relies on data collected by various data aggregators. I was trying to pitch it to CCbill and Epoch as a potential voluntary way for the industry to avoid mandatory laws like this, but nobody seemed very interested. Perhaps everyone would rather have a solution implemented by Halliburton at a cost of $5000 per webmaster per year :") All that said, I do think there are free speech issues and am not in favor of the government being more intrusive. __________________ Gaybucks.com 100% exclusive American guys - hosted movie galleries - NATS - Boyfunk.com - Boysfeetclub.com - AJsCloset.com- SkylerDeVoss.com ICQ 272-995-402

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jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	Israel's Knesset (parliament) passed a bill through its first reading last Wednesday which, if passed into law, will require ISP's to filter out "adult" sites except for subscribers who prove their age. AFAIK no-one has yet figured out the practicalities and - since the bill is sponsored by Shas, a religious party - there are concerns that the term "adult" may be applied to more than just pornography.

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cranki Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Café del Mar Posts: 5,162	we have this mandatory age check for adult sites here in germany and it sucks major balls. There's only a handful of companies offering the age verification service (like ueber18.de) and people have to pay an annual fee in order to be able to even VIEW the participating adult sites. You can figure how many people are willing to signup when they've already paid for avs shit...

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ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	Reminds me of COPA. Y'all see this one yesterday? PARIS, France (AP) -- A new law in France makes it a crime -- punishable by up to five years in prison -- for anyone who is not a professional journalist to film real-world violence and distribute the images on the Internet. __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

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aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	Jesus, and they wonder why identity theft is growing. Fucktards who don't even know what the internet is should not be making rules. It's like me going to a Polo match (never been) seeing something I don't like, and saying they should make a rule to stop it.

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BigPinPin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Spain Posts: 894	we have this shit in germany and most of the webmasters started to give a shit about it, because no one wants to verify himself to access a porn site....that´s a fact. Sure, some will do it but trust me...it will kill many companies income. I saw what happend in germany....Companies left the country, Webmasters host outside germany, buy domains outside of germany and many of them are hiding as good as they can. For what ? Just to earn their money as they did before......next problem: how to convert international traffic ? Leave me alone with age check ideas !

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Cman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 697	Yet another reason why I have Dutch hosting and am very appreciative of my Canadian citizenship lol (comes in handy on the internet) is it ironic that the US is the inventor of modern capitalism, yet continually tries to suppress one of its most profitable industries? __________________ I could put stuff here, but you don't care.

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Antonio Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Spartaaaaaaaaa Posts: 14,136	We need radical solution - have a retina/DNA/whatever scan on every single PC, if you don't pass the age check 220 Volts of electricity hits you as soon as you grab the mouse. Damn kids, that'll teach them !

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Cman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 697	i got the internet when i was 15 (1995) for the specific purpose of looking at porn aaaahhh the good old days when it took as long to download 1 low-res picture as it now takes to download an entire video. of course, the excuse i gave to my parents was research for school. __________________ I could put stuff here, but you don't care.

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	I say the same BS I have been saying about this form day 1... Movies / shows only have to display the warning.. No other filtering is done by the producers/studios, ect. From here the cable companies provide filtering with the lock/password feature cable boxes have. So why don't do they do this with ISP's.. Where parents and kids can have logins, and since it's ISP controlled, kids can't remove the block.. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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Nodtveidt Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Camuy, PR Posts: 573	The US government has way more important things to deal with than this petty bullshit. __________________ ICQ: 11541913

03-09-2007, 08:56 AM	#25
MrPinks Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: FL Posts: 1,767	"The committee in the Democratic-controlled legislature approved the measure to another board for further review. No representative from MySpace or other Internet sites testified." Well it looks like it will pass and MySpace doesn't even give a shit to take a stand. It won't be long before adult goes out of business for US webmasters. They are throwing out laws left an right and not one fucking company is standing up. They are creating these laws because they is virtually no opposition. Pretty fucked up.

03-09-2007, 09:01 AM	#26
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03-09-2007, 09:55 AM	#27
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Smokey, please clear the following things up: It's isn't "USA", it is Connecticut. A single state law won't change the universe, and almost certainly will be difficult to apply to companies not bases in the state. Further, as a state law attempting to regulate interstate commerce, it would likely not pass the stink test in court. The states can wave their hands and raise a stink, but they cannot force a company outside of the state to comply with their state regulations.