It sickens me that nobody wants to respond or even recognize Jace's findings here.

unfortunately it is typical, if I keep on speaking about about this particular issue for long enough I will start being referred to as a "whiner" and a "typical gfy troll"

dude shut up already.

after 10 posts of hearing how something shady, scamming, spyware, etc... is fucking everyone, don't you know it is unpopular to keep talking about these issues. No one wants to hear it anymore.

please i am tired of hearing about this already.... :1orglaugh


now please i am trying to read the would you hit it threads and this is filling up the board :mad:

:upsidedow

Jace, shoot me an ICQ if you have a sec, 5596373.

gfy.com/showthread.php?t=712273 GOOD READ
gfy.com/showthread.php?t=712273

Nice quotes from mike in that thread, some conflict?

"I don't own the program, and don't make anything from it."
"and Yes, Ashcash.net will be AdultDimensions.com soon..."
"All webmasters are getting credit for all sales and rebills..."
"Im looking at CCBill right now... nothing wrong with sales... sales are great..
rebills are even better"
"An error has been found in the tracking system"

Ok, a guy who knows the ins and outs of web browsers, cookies and so on....
A guy who writes Internet Eraser program, made to do a FEW of the Following

:: Prevents Sites from improperly changing your Home Page!
:: Erases Windows' secret index.dat file
:: Erases 'autocomplete' site addresses
:: Erases Windows Temp Directories
:: Erases Recent Files List
:: Erases My Documents Files (if you want to)
:: Erases Recycle Bin
:: Erases Browser Cache Files
:: Erases Browser Cookies
:: Erases Browser Favorites (if you want to)
:: Erases Browser History Logs
:: Erases User Selected Directories
:: Overwrites Any Files You Specify with Random Data - Then Deletes Them!
:: Frees space on your Hard Drive
:: Makes your PC run faster!
:: Runs As Often as You Specify - Automatically
:: Uninstall and Reinstall in Seconds

Gets the Setup wrong? No way......
Or a Program that Only pays out with ccbill, never logs in to make sure everything is running correct Since December 06??
How about Testing the Links when the New System went in place? Watching affiliate payout in ccbill for a few days to make sure everything was working ok?
I have heard from to many people that sales dropped off to almost nothing, and the mostly say about the same time frame......

But, during all this, a simple easy fix was found. Anyone switching from ccbill to NATS, just remember to keep everything separate, run 2 different touring systems with different signup forms.
ccbill code should never see nats code, and nats code should never see ccbill code.....
sitename.com/ccbill -- tour -- signup form
sitename.com/nats -- tour signup form (different from the one above)
I am sure there are more ways to keep everything Tracking correctly, and one would think a guy with your credentials would know this.


How many people are going to even bother with the 1.5 cents
How long does a person rebill?

Ok it feels like a dead horse now.......

Just a couple of things
Karma -- Birds of a Feather --

gfy.com/showthread.php?t=712273
gfy.com/showthread.php?t=712273

Far out man

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[QUOTE=Mike69;12038186]Thats the great thing about affiliates.. something wrong and they find it right away...

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RIGHT AWAY, it is called Months.... Most people have said sales dropped off in Dec and Jan, or that is when they Noticed it.........

hey man, I tried hitting you up...i have been away for a little while tonight....get at me tomorrow if you aren't around more tonight

oy vey....

4 hours since this thread started, LOL....no changes

seriously man, I will do it FOR FREE for you if it is that difficult....

You missed the part about it being good until March 11... he still has 3 days. :winkwink:

Jace, question - I was about to post about them using the default NATS code as well, but that's possibly because of their gimped setup to attempt to use NATS as their member management? Who knows.

Honestly, it's all fucked up. Mike69, what you're PRETENDING to do is NOT difficult.

If they're using NATS for member management, they should automatically cascade to CCBill, which would pick up the cookie. Amazing.

Its only because he has no idea what he's talking about at all....

so why bother..

We have a winner.... and there in lies the problem... Its not...

well, the ONLY situation I can see where this would be an honest mistake is if someone was SO NEW that they had no idea they had to import the ccbill data into nats, and instead they just did a simple html redirect to the new nats join page, thinking that would be enough to keep sales going for affiliates

but see, here is the thing, I talked to 4 people on icq that ALL know this Mike guy, and know he is smart and a very talented person, plus he has apparently been in adult for a long time...so, to blame this on a rookie or newbie mistake just doesn't cut it

wow, you actually have absolutely NO idea what you are doing, do you?

a meta refresh does not pass ANYTHING whatsoever man, nats importing the ccbill data is a detailed and time consuming process and has to be done very carefully....a simple html snippet on the top of the page won't do it man

jesus, all along I thought you really had a clue, but in reality you have no clue what you are doing...LOL...

really, and you do??? LOL

who has affiliates making sales and who doesn't? LOL

ccbill and NATS join pages need to be SEPERATE, period. if you have ccbill affiliates, they NEED to be hitting that ccbill join page, otherwise they won't get credit for sales

if you have affiliates pushing traffic through ccbill links and you are sending them to a NATS signup page like you are, the ccbill affiliates will NEVER get credit for those sales, as we have seen with the recent speaking up by affiliates that haven't had sales in a month or two

if you are moving from ccbill to nats, the best thing you can do is basically let the ccbill affiliates still use that ccbill join page and if they want to sign up under nats and use that join page, then fine, but don't take away the ccbill join page, you are cheating affiliates out of sales by doing that

and with that, I am done...I am not even sending traffic, and I tried to help at first, then got ignored and then laughed at, so I just am giving up

it was a 10 second fix so that affiliates can get sales again, but you don't care about that

see your not getting it...

Its not just the refresh, which was done just beacuse I was to lazy to go change all the links at the time. There is way more to it... what part of way more don't you get?

There are ways to manage sites in NATs and CCBill only.
We do it for a few of our sites, so we can still honour 3 year old Raven link codes. As I posted above, it's NOT hard, you just need to know what you're doing. Furthermore, it's all done serverside, so it's transparent. No need for circlejerks.....

and you have no idea what your talking about.. where on the CCBill join form does it tell CCBill who the webmaster was..

Have a look at it.... Hit ESC before it refreshes and look at the code..

Correct..

We had no intension of forcing webmaster to switch to Nats.. and at the current point, the Nats system has 0 affiliates in it.. it is simply being used to get quicker better stats and handle the membership stuff....

Whats going on will be made public tomorrow... you'll be surprised...

honestly.. makes me go hmm

not that i was sending traffic or anything.. but still..

hmm

btw ash is hot, and if she would fuck me in real life, id let her keep 1 outta 10 sales.. no prob

just saying

Jace - Hit me up on ICQ ( 695150 ) and I'll fill you in on some stuff thats not public yet..

Are you attempting to say that the info I provided you was incorrect?

Checked Email
We will be paying 1.5 cents per click on the clicks into the CCBill system


WHAT A JOKE
From the start of Promotion till Dec 14, 2006 I am 1:180
From Dec 15, 2006 I am 0:620
1.5 Cents per click ????

I think I would rather have my SALES, and Rebills if they are as good as you say they are...we all know thats not true....

Wow a few minute fix, and it was just NOW done in the last few hours..

Take out the refresh ........ wow so easy


and dont play, it is complicated, thing 2 do...

If you say something like that, I will tell them how to see past the BS...

So where's the groundbreaking drama that was supposed to have been made public yesterday?

Still looks broken to me
*0

So are they still shaving or is that part fixed?

Pulling the redirect disables the Nats membership system.

Go ahead.. explain how easy it is to stip out the Nats Membership control system and rewrite another. Sorry its not .htaccess

There was no intentional "scam" here... despite what some would like you to believe...

Heres what happened.....

We had Nats installed and decided to use the Nats membership system right away.

This required sending joins through Nats...

In CCBill admin there is a column "Referral Sales"... after the change this looked normal...

Every time an affiliate makes a sale, we get an email.. looked normal...

We don't payout on CCBill affiliates, CCBill does the payouts...

But what did happen was Nats is sending CCBill a bogus Refer ID..

and CCBill allows the refer id in the cookie to be ignored if this is done.

The membership control system has been rewritten, and the Meta Refresh has been removed.

Intentional "scam" no way.... system glitch yes..

And we are making up for it.

Send me your affiliate ID and we'll make good on it....

If there was no scam, how do you explain not noticing that your affiliates weren't making any sales at all?

why would they bother? :P


that chick is really hot though

In CCBill admin there is a column "Referral Sales"... after the change this looked normal...

Every time an affiliate makes a sale, we get an email.. looked normal...

also.. after watching for a while... I stopped looking...

I don't own the program... so I don't watch stats with baited breath every day

Are you saying it is fixed?

Yes it is....