for the few people that voted him, look at the mirror.

Oh, reply to my posts... unless you consider yourself beaten in this debate

To keep it short, with which country(ies) are the USA NOT at war ?

Just voicing an opinion. If you don't want it, don't read it. Go bomb whoever you want and see where that leaves the US in ten to twenty years. I'm not really interested in getting into a political debate here as it's not really the place for such discussions. I just wanted to voice my opinion.

Must suck for you to live life knowing its not fair. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I was really referring to you but yes you are American. I love Americans just not ones like you that have these opinions. It's really sad actually, I wont change you mind so go on believing whatever gets you though the day.

so you admit you know the elections were rigged...and you think it is funny?

this is why there will be trouble for all the people in t he world soon.


too many morons who laugh at shit that isnt funny

Oh yes, we harm economy. Hiding my head?
As for those causes causing harm to others, do you really still believe in the "everytime you masturbate, god kills a kitten" bullshit?
Youre the one who isnt replying to my questions, but just making up unneeded comparisons, which dont fit in here.

Okay, you fought for women and children? Why are you killing them now? Because your little president ordered you? Because you swore loyalty to the Bush legacy, just as you followed the father, you'll follow the son?

Answer the dumb question. If you consider it so dumb you must have a winning answer ro it

In his world we're 'The Enemy'. If he could vote Bush in for King of the US he would do it in a heartbeat.

Oh come on you bleeding heart tree humping hippie, you know damn well ALL elections in the United States are not "fair". They are run by money, those that have the most money usually win. Yes I think its funny because of how naive you are.

You must live a very paranoid life :2 cents:

Hahahahaha!! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
now, HE is naive?
and what would you be?!?!?!

i am far from naive bottom feeder

what you are is someone who is siding with the devil instead of fighting for what he believes in.


well guess what..the bush mafia doesnt give a shit about you or 12 clicks...you are a wart on their dick and they hate you. so why try to speak for them?

and to just acceept corruption taking over your politics and your government is very weak....i used to think you were a moron...now i know you are just weak


WEAK

#1 You seem to think we are targeting innocent women and children in the world, here is a cluepon for you to redeem, its called collateral damage but of course you are programmed by your governments to believe the empire is evil and killing innocent women and children around the world.
#2 My President is the leader/commander of the armed forces, he directs which battles to fight so yes I have/will fight for my commander anytime they direct. Matter of fact the oath you take when you voluntarily join the military demands that you do so against all enemies foreign AND domestic.

Are you guys fighting Splum over his motherland again? Damn give it up, the guy is as bright as a rock. Trust me, just stop now - nothing will register with him.

so... lets get this straight. it make perfect sense to you when you say you are fighting for what you believe in (i.e. framing your arguments as just and righteous) and at the same time characterizing his arguments as weak and wrong.

if your and his arguments are polar opposites and there is no neutral position, that means you are actually arguing that he agrees with you.

thats not only WEAK ... but a little weird.

Okay, mr lawyer.
Reply to #1
First of all, i am against my own goverment, and critique it as i critique you. Secondly, collateral damage is done unvoluntarily, IF a sufficient number of military personell of the enemy side.
Hitting only civilians is wrong.

Reply to #2
Did you know your enemies in WW2 said the same thing? I see you closely resemble an SS of the nazist army.

Top ten Bush Quotes from 2005

Splum, you are proud this guy leads your Country???

1) "You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." --to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005

2) See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

3) "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way."—Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

4) "I'm looking forward to a good night's sleep on the soil of a friend."—On the prospect of visiting Denmark, Washington D.C., June 29, 2005

5) "But Iraq has—have got people there that are willing to kill, and they're hard-nosed killers. And we will work with the Iraqis to secure their future." —Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

6) "We're spending money on clean coal technology. Do you realize we've got 250 million years of coal?"—Washington, D.C., June 8, 2005

7) "Those who enter the country illegally violate the law."
—Tucson, Ariz., Nov. 28, 2005

8) "I can't wait to join you in the joy of welcoming neighbors back into neighborhoods, and small businesses up and running, and cutting those ribbons that somebody is creating new jobs."—Poplarville, Miss., Sept. 5, 2005


9) "We look forward to analyzing and working with legislation that will make—it would hope—put a free press's mind at ease that you're not being denied information you shouldn't see."
—Washington, D.C., April 14, 2005

10) "Because the—all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculate, for example, is on the table; whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those—changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be—or closer delivered to what has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the—like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate—the benefits will rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those—if that growth is affected, it will help on the red."—Explaining his plan to save Social Security, Tampa, Fla., Feb. 4, 2005

but its soooo nice pwning him =3

funny how everyone claims to value freedom of speech... yet everyone immediately denounces anyone who has an opposing view point, as being "sheep", "brainwashed" or just plain stupid... as if no other view could or should exist and the person making the argument could not, under any circumstances be wrong or learn anything in the discussion.

i don't think that was the intention behind the notion of "free speech"

Basically you just admitted that there is no democracy in America. What is sadder is that you are willing to pick up a gun and fight and kill innocent people for the sake of freedom even though you are not free yourself.

In the case of this last election, there is clear evidence that the voting machines were tampered with and that they didn't have an appropriate number of machines in the propper places. Add to that the thousands of voters scrubbed of the lists we are dealing with massive corruption. It's embarassing that in a country of 250 or 300 million people you can't find a better candidate than Bush or Kerry.

Also just because someone wants the world to be democratic and free does not make them a bleeding heart hippie...an idealist at best but not a hippie. Perhaps if America can ever hold a fair election we can taste some of that freedom and equality that most of us want for the world.

First and foremost what "civilians" are we targeting lol? Oh you mean the types of civilians that strap bombs to themselves and murder other Iraqis? We arent the ones blowing up most of the Iraqis over there dumbass.

You are nothing but a sig whore trying to continue to instigate more posts for yourself with weak arguments. Shouldnt you be rioting in Denmark or something today?

ill try not to insult your comprehension ability here.

my statements...bushco is evil and not doing anything but hurting the american public...that is my premise.

his premise is that im naive for not realizing there is nothing that can be done against them.


our arguments are not polar opposites at all...he is agreeing with me but laughing and saying to just go with it.

it is like the warriors choice..die fast or die slow?

You're not pwning a thing, you're arguing for hours getting nowhere. You are all "pwning" yourselves.

the people you are defending right now...in this very thread stated they want to kill women and children in the name of America..lol

go buy a fuckin clue

No Bryan whatever PERSONAL opinion I have my leader is irrelevant, surely you are not suggesting that one single man represents and entire country. I dont care WHO is President of the USA I will still want my country to be strong, safe, and secure.

Nice lies Phoenix, I said if those women and children were the enemy of the USA and a threat YES I would kill them. Get it right, so if a female homicide bomber ran into your home you wouldnt try and stop her? You liberals are nothing but twisted liars.

Ahem, any idea what happened yesterday in afghanistan?
Those kind of civilians, those who were in their unfortified builinds, and just receive a bombing, with the excuse of being 'potential terrorists'.

I'm not instigating more posts, i couldnt care less, id just buy sigarettes with what i earn whoring my sig anyway.
And no, i shouldnt be in denmark. im all right here pwning your ass and showing the world you know nothing of politics.

Hehe, not my fault he cant accept a loss :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Now now, what would you say, if i told you 9/11 wasnt caused by the legendary bin laden you fear?
That is what YOU want. but are you sure that that is what your govenrment wants?

There is no such thing as true "FREEDOM" surely you are not claiming there is? I tell you what I am more "FREE" than most of the people on this planet and thats good enough for me. I live in relative peace, and my children and grand children will. I WILL fight to keep this country safe, strong, powerful and secure.
You and I have different moral ideals certainly but to merely dismiss me as a mindless moron would be a mistake many of our enemies have made over the years.
You cannot deny that in only 230 years we have risen to become the most powerful nation this world has not seen since the Roman Empire, there is a REASON for that. Why isnt Canada a superpower like the USA?

Trust me I now that Dubya does not represent the entire country.....God help us if you all argreed with him.

well i say communist because I remember a thread you started saying how there were protesters outside your window and how you wish they would fuck off, that to me is communism by not letting any other side oppose

Also you said how some americans should be taken out on the streets and shot like dogs.

that to me is a similar style used by hitler and stalin.

but you may be right just by being extreme, but it seems you are up for attacking your own people for the rightoues good in the long run.

am i right in saying that?

a threat to you?
I already said that part.
But let me reply with something new.

And respong with what happened in WW1
The heir to the asburgi throne was killed, and the austian govenrment wasnt allowed to send their investivative forces to investigate in sarajevo.
Austria declared war. Russia was an ally to serbia, and interfered. Germany then declared war on russia, being austria's ally. And blah blah blah
point is: You are the occupying forces. every nation has the right of supremacy in their country. YOu are occupying. they have the right to get rid of you.

I hate extreme liberalism, it is creeping in from other countries around the world and weakening my country from the inside. Dont get me wrong I dont mind porn, homosexuality, etc people should have certain freedoms but I dont want my country to end up weak and irrelevant like Denmark, France or Canada.
No offense to those countries but if the USA would suddenly become as weak os those nations we would be attacked on our homeland by someone pretty quickly.
Its not communism in the least it is more like fascist if you wanted to get technical.

America is not an empire, first point.
second and most depressing point is: America won the world wars because it always entered when the war was almost over. meaning you found everyone, allies and enemies, weakened by the years of war, and you enter fresh.
third point: if you didnt know, americans are just a mixture of european cultures, so you cant be proud of your history.

Canada isnt a 'superpower' as you define it, because it didnt interfere, and stayed there in peace.

OMG, i cant believe someone thinks hitler and stalin were of the same alignment:
Stalin = communist (revolutionary) = extreme left
Hitler = nazist (reactionary) = extreme right

I wonder what the hell you guys are thought in school. basic history people

You dumbass how does a suicide bomber blowing up other Iraqis constitute fighting an occupying power. You are sick, most of these muslim extremists are flat out murderers with no cares of who they kill or maim even their own people.
Fine if they attack us I have no problem with that we have killed MANY more of them than they could ever hope to kill of us, but when you start saying American forces are killing innocent women and children and that all Iraqis are just fighting to stop the "occupation" you really look like the dumb ass you are.

Yeah ok keep telling yourself that while you do our bidding, you and your countrymen are nothing but our bitches. We walk all over your ass anytime we wish and not a damn thing the "world" can do about it. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

and you arent an extremist? mr. puppet?
So you are proud of having killed civilians?

I look like a dumb ass now?
youre the one who contraddicted himself 4 times already in a single discussion.

Moreover... i see you have absolutely no knowledge of law. go read your constitution at least.

Well it's mainly the media factor. Both had similar views when it came to life (totally disposable) with Stalin winning that battle, he had a few more notches on his belt when it came to mass murder. It?s no doubt that both would gain such parallels, regardless of their beliefs.

Okay, let me divide it into points again so you can understand:
1.) Italy called the tropps back, and now we dont have anything to do with it.
2.) If you need a definition of empire, and its differences with the imperialistic politics of your country, just say so. if youre too ashamed to ask in public, send me an email. i'll make it simple and i wont tell anyone.
3.) So you declare that you consider yourself, as a part of your contry, to be superior to all other countries, and that you rule over everything?
4.) I doubt your USA will attack italy. You'd get YOUR ass kicked by the whole united europe, not to mention the guys that made you piss in your pants with the cuban missile crisis, russia.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

ill show you basic=, both hilter and stlain kiled their own people for the future long term goals of their country, which is what i am comparing splums views too. now stfu moron, they may be different protocals, but they have both have very similar charachteristics.

ok now you can stfu, u know nothing about anything.

got nothing else to say other hiding your emabarassment over laughing smileys?

defending?

who was i defending?

questioning the reasoning of your argument is not the same as defending someone else.

jesus.

:disgust :disgust

okay..well then how about..learn to read..your arguments were not even close to being on point

Hitler killed his own people?
He didnt consider them his own people, he was only interested in his aryan race.
Anyone not belogning to that class, wasnt one of his people.

Stalin did it for the long term goal, which in the end was never achieved.


You did not show basic as you hoped

...give peace a chanse... :)