directfiesta

200 idiots bombing countries in name of peace and freedom

Obviously, you have a hearing problem...

Where in my post do I hint to do nothing .... I only concur that it is not JUST the USA that have been fucking around with that region ...
But I am sure that your own story-history-fantasy has a different tune ....

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just a punk

What doesn't matter if they do because Bush and the US government just don't care about the thoughts of their citizens.

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hardcoreblogger

you got a good point there! let's just say the mess big white egos have created...

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chupacabra

wow, anti-american... enemy propaganda? take a closer look who your enemy is... Johns Hopkins, hrm... more americans? the 650,000 death toll was forwarded by an american research group. methinks your the one w/ the propaganda problem.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101001442.html

oh, and the iraqis who have picked up arms against the americans aren't terrorists... their defending their homes from an invasion force. this isn't a war or terror, the whole idea is laughable... the american responce to 9/11 would be laughable if it hadn't cost so much in terms of lives and money. it is akin to the idea of Britain bombing the hell out of Dublin for the intent of taking out terrorists... the very nature of terrorism precludes having a *war* w/ it anyways, thats kinda the whole point..

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will76

This thread needs some pictures:

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nico-t

Whats the link with Bin Laden and Iraq and Iran? There is no link. This US admin fucked it all up by not capturing Bin Laden but going for their own pockets and power trip and invade a country that didn't have anything to do with the twin towers hit.

Splum

Bin Laden ordered the attack on the USA because of the US bases in his holy land and our support of Israel. Our bases were in his holy land because the UN demanded we remove Iraq from Kuwait in 1991. See the connection?

Also there was Al Qaeda in Iraq before the US invasion...

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TampaToker

The USA has almost completely surrounded Iran: Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq have all been "Americanized" to some extent after September 11. (From a strategic point of view, Osama Bin Laden has caused more damaged to the two Islamic regimes of the area than anyone else: the Taliban regime is gone, and the regime of the Ayatollahs in Iran has never been so isolated). Turkey and Armenia are both strong USA ally. USA soldiers are also based just across the strait ub the Arab emirates. It is difficult to blame the ayatollahs for feeling insecure these days.

It is also a little unfair to expect that Iran would not nurture nuclear ambitions, given that it is situated in one of the most nuclear-ized areas of the world (India, Pakistan, Israel and Russia are all nuclear powers).
If history repeats itself, Iran will not abandon its nuclear program unless a) the regime collapses or b) the USA forces it to. There is virtually no country in history that abandoned a rearmament program out of good will or just because of sanctions. The world has three options: live with a nuclear Iran (neither Israel nor probably the Arab neighbors will accept this idea), foster regime change (which these days cannot happen without foreign intervention) or take military action (which basically means either Israel or the USA bombs Iran).

This crisis comes at an odd time. Iran is relatively rich, thanks to the booming oil prices: for the first time in many years, the Iranian middle class is actually doing quite well (and living quite decadent lives, by the standards of their Islamic leaders). The USA has removed the two regimes that Iran truly hated: the Taliban (Iran was the only country to have opposed militarily the Taliban, way before September 11) and Saddam Hussein (who invaded Iran in the 1980s).

In fact, Iran helped the USA in both cases, albeit in a very discrete manner. And now Iran, the leading shiite country in the world, enjoys relations with the new leader of Afghanistan (Karzai) and sees a time when Iraq will be ruled by a fellow Shiite (Shiites are the majority of Iraq's population). It sounds like an ideal time for making peace with the USA, which has made all of this possible. Instead, the Iranian leaders have chosen to build a nuclear weapon: from their point of view, the positive changes in Afghanistan and Iraq were not due to the USA, but they are signs of the will of Allah.

shahab6

Where did you copy and paste this, I read this someplace else too.

will76

I agree with all of that.

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TampaToker

here i will find the link again. a buddy of mine does this stuff for a living. he sure has some interesting pint of views. I will post some more of his stuff afterwards

12clicks

don't hate me because I identify you as someone living with your mom, hate yourself for living there.

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DaddyHalbucks

Saddam started wars and threatened regional peace. There were many many reasons to take him out.

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nico-t

I see the propaganda offence has simple minded followers who still believe everything governments say.

nico-t

Keep thinking that... I'm astonished by your ignorance.

hardcoreblogger

...just not the ones given by your leaders, right? many reasons? oil, oil and oil again...

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LAJ

We wouldn't be in this shit pile if the 2000 election fiasco didn't happen. Gore would be 1/2 thru his 2nd term, the Iraq war wouldn't have happened, our country wouldn't be trillions in the hole, religious whackos wouldn't be dominating our country... list goes on. Wonder if bush will meet hitler's fate?

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will76

Do you think 911 would have happened under Gore. Obviously something like that took years of planning and Clinton and Gore's admin did nothing to prevent it. So, if we can agree 911 would have still happened than what do you think Gore's response would have been.

Too bad we can have an alter world, I would love to see where we would be now if this or that would have happened.

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shahab6

me too
that would of been so good.

scottybuzz

sadly you missed my point.

in a way this links to me drowning in my own vomit last saturday night

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scottybuzz

i have come the conclusion that nobody on this message board knows wtf their talking about and that the only people that do are in the white house. like it or lump it, your being pwnerdz!!1!

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LAJ

Quite possibly 9-11 would still have happened under Gore. Perhaps not. WE'll never know. However, there was intelligence thru much of 2001 that there was "grave danger" heading our way. I still think about Condy under the gun and dodging every question when asked about those reports.

I'm not sure what Gore's response would have been. I would hope it would have been going after the people actually responsible for 9-11 and not taking the eye off of the Osama ball and instead focusing on liberating Iraq all in the name of terrorism.

I tell ya, I would love to see where we would be as well if this never happened... however, the wake up call really showed us how fucked the neocons are.

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DaddyHalbucks

Early on Bush said oil was one of the reasons for the war. He said we will protect our strategic interests.

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Jack_Daniels

It would have happened no matter who the president was.


Unquestionably that would have been the best outcome, both for us and for the entire civilized world. It's also how I'd like to think Gore would have played it.

Then again it's at least possible that Gore might not have attacked Afghanistan either in which case we'd be in much, much, much worse shape than we're in now.

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Jack_Daniels

Hey! Can I have some of what you're smoking?

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LAJ

Good point.

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hardcoreblogger

oh yeah and in all the speeches to the UN and the allies they always said this war is about oil? uhmmm wasn't it primarily about saddam's non-existant WMD?

oil is not one of the reasons, it is THE reason for this war. like for the next one too.

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yota71

When a situation benefits you, your perspective and ideas and excuses are always right.

After pealing away all of the crap it comes down to greed and control. This is why; Terrorism and Hatred will exist even after the smoke clears.

Humans will always resort to violence to serve their needs.
The unfortunate thing is that after it's all over and the survivors are morning the loss of their children and loved ones.

Will they be able to except each others differences and survive? Or will the human race just fizzle out?

War at this point is written in stone. So after it's over the survivors can sit around with their skin falling off covered in cancerous tumors arguing about who was right. WAKE UP...

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