SO who are the ADULT INDUSTRY PLAYERS supporting .xxx ?

[polish_aristocrat]

posted this in another thread, but knowing GFY, noone will read it there, so let me repost it in a new thread:

Originally Posted by davecummings
Can't those within the Adult Internet community who are in favor of .xxx be identified for all of us to know who they are? Anyone know who they are?

thats a good question

I've found a link where a former journalist, and new ICANN board member tries to convince everyone that the porn inustry supports .xxx"

http://www.circleid.com/posts/anothe...doc_agreement/

As for the porn industry. The porn industry was doing what it always does in these situations - watch carefully and turn with the tide.

In fact, ICM Registry had a lot of people - perhaps it?s fair to say, most people in the adult industry agreeing with .xxx. It was only at the very end when the case started turning against .xxx because of US lobby pressure that Flynt decided to come down against it.

Flynt?s letter was then seized on by ICANN to help distract attention away from the US government?s hand in rejecting the TLD even after ICANN had approved it.

The above is obviously COMPLETE BULLSHIT..... you may look up more posts by Kieren McCarthy on that page if interested...

Anyway, personally I think I can't be the only one fighting this shit.

I can increase awarness on GFY, and I can send my letters - that's all.

Im not an adult industry player, neither do I know them on a personal level.
I'm not in the position to tell them how to act now.

PS... Further on that page Kierren claims that ICM guys are straightforward and if someone asked them for the list of "adult industry players" supporting .xxx, they would give it to him..

so .... will anyone ask them?

if not, and if all the ICANN board members think like that guy that the situation is completely ridicolous - 90% of adult webmasters are against .xxx and several people at ICANN think that the adult industry still supports .xxx

[davecummings]

Anybody know anything?

Were there supporters at one time who might not now be supporters but still haven't rescinded their letter to ICM, or whatever? Shouldn't they be pushed to do so???

dave

[bareskin]

fuck can you see the scramble to buy domains it'll get ugly as hell

[DaddyHalbucks]

I don't know anyone who supports .xxx

[tony286]

I can see some of the big boys supporting it, they want to get rid of the small mom pops and .xxx can be a wonderful tool for that.

[Rhesus]

Originally Posted by tony404

I can see some of the big boys supporting it, they want to get rid of the small mom pops and .xxx can be a wonderful tool for that.

It's also a great tool for them to get rid of their own traffic... This is a non-argument.

[davecummings]

So-o-o-o-o, any names/organizations/etc???

[Z]

There are a few VERY big guys who are not only behind it, but are the impetus behind all these attempts to pass it and stand to profit directly from it not only from the domain sales, but also from being the actual registrar of the domains.

Getting anybody to out them here? Fat fucking chance.

[cpt. insaino]

Only idiots support that.

[HomeFry]

I support it 110%. Fuck all the small time losers and their $100/mo. Go back to Burger King.

see sig.

[nosey]

Originally Posted by HomeFry

I support it 110%. Fuck all the small time losers and their $100/mo. Go back to Burger King.

see sig.

sweet sig!

[Rhesus]

Originally Posted by HomeFry

I support it 110%. Fuck all the small time losers and their $100/mo. Go back to Burger King.

see sig.

What rational reason could you make up to support it?

[ServerGenius]

Originally Posted by Rhesus

What rational reason could you make up to support it?

the one of losing traffic is none, if xxx gets through all porn surfing sheep
will figure out the porn is now on .xxx instead of .com within days. Yeah
I know what you mean, sites losing their surfers....but they will also get
new surfers in return. See it like a big traffic tumbling machine

[Lazonby]

You mean the Adult Industry Players.

[RawAlex]

Okay, my take is this:

A smaller number of "players" would love to see .XXX, and further, they would like to see the US government mandate that all american based porn sites have to be on .XXX domains, that processing could only happen for sites on .XXX domains, and that traffic only come from .XXX domains...

Why?

Because they would go out with their stacks of current cash and buy out all the good .XXX real estate, and leave everyone else in the dirt. Effectively, it would be like taking 10-15 years of adult internet and domain sales, and throwing it out the window and allow the current players to take over in one swoop.

Some people do believe that compressing the entire online industry down to a couple of dozen player companies maximum would beat the current thousands model, and they work regularly to accomplish this. .XXX would allow these people to move more quickly on their goal to eliminate most affiliates and to center traffic within their own site structure and traffic funnels.

Making porn into a ghetto for these people is a great thing. Limit the access, limit the amounts of free porn, and make getting access to it "special" and they can actually RAISE the prices of memberships, downloads, and PPV movies.

For a very few players, .XXX is the answer they have been looking for.

For the rest of us, it is a red hot poker up the ass.

[Rhesus]

I sent an email to Stuart Lawley, CEO of ICM registry, and while he did reply with inquiries as to my identity and intentions, he never gave me the list of .xxx supporting companies and individuals I asked for... (as it was to be expected)

[Dirty F]

I support .xxx

[Clean_Franck]

Originally Posted by Rhesus

I sent an email to Stuart Lawley, CEO of ICM registry, and while he did reply with inquiries as to my identity and intentions, he never gave me the list of .xxx supporting companies and individuals I asked for... (as it was to be expected)

NICE MOVE


TOOL

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Rhesus

It's also a great tool for them to get rid of their own traffic... This is a non-argument.

Not true at all and if they didnt support it why arent they writing??? Answer that.

[DWB]

I do not support .XXX

[kenny]

In the event that .xxx domains are released how do they go about disturbuting them?

Isn't it a first come first serve thing?

When they recently released .mobi domains wasn't it first come first serve?

Or is there some backroom deal thing that happens that I don't know about

[kenny]

What about that new.net place what happens to those .xxx domains?

[kenny]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I do not support .XXX

I don't like it either..

I can't hope to think that something shady will come along with it.

[SmokeyTheBear]

its such a silly agrument anyways..

Lets just pretend .xxx went into affect. next year same time there would be millions MORE adult domains..

Not ONE .com porn domain is going to be dropped so it can be turned into .xxx

The only way this would help "curb" porn or "protect" chidlren would be if they MADE all porn go on .xxx

[kenny]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

The only way this would help "curb" porn or "protect" chidlren would be if they MADE all porn go on .xxx

There is no way they can do that.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by tony404

Not true at all and if they didnt support it why arent they writing??? Answer that.

I don't think that means that they support .xxx

It can mean as well that many companies are generally against .xxx but they don't care enough and don't know enough about it.

They see it as something bad but they are not really used to fighting for their rights..... not to mention they thought .xxx was already killed in May last year and now it is suddenly alive again.... this may confuse them as well...

Yes, a few companies may silently support .xxx because they made some behind the scenes deals.. But many others are against it, but just not enough against to take their time, write their opposition letters, alert their affiliates etc...


Just like I'm against Rainforest deforestation but don't do anything to prevent it (OK, not the best example, but you get the point)

EDIT: Take a look here

http://www.fightthedotxxx.com/ - you see companies like Lightspeedcash, SunnyDollars or Payserve listed as the ones who oppose .xxx.

So if they are listed there, it's an indication that they don't want the .xxx domain to be created, but they probably don't care enough about it to "waste their time" now and voice their formal oppoosition. If you are friends f.e. with Steve LightSpeed, you may ask him directly about it.

[polish_aristocrat]

should we put xbiz.com on this list?

[jayeff]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

But many others are against it, but just not enough against to take their time, write their opposition letters, alert their affiliates etc...

Did anyone get even one notice from a sponsor?

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by jayeff

Did anyone get even one notice from a sponsor?

I don't think so.

BUT that does not mean that every or most/many sponsors support .xxx
(I explained above how being opposed to something does not always mean actively acting against it)

I see the argument that the big sponsors (not sure how you define big) dont speak against .xxx and thats why its implied that they support .xxx

In my opinion there's also another reason why I don't think it's true... introducing the "voluntary" .xxx domain doesnt change the adult scene much at the very beginning (not counting the legal headaches when it comes to fighing for the best domains).

But if/when the .xxx gets already introduced and if it gets branded/portayed in the media as the domain of "Responsible pornographers" then slowly - our current allies like the Christian Gruops, the US Government, and also f.e companies like VISA may slowly try tu push all adult sites to .xxx

If that happenes, and if porn is baned on .com - then yes, the companies who supported .xxx will get an advantage if they received some prime .xxx domains as a "thank you" for suporing ICM. But if all porn will be put into the .xxx ghetto, then they will lose LOTS of visitors/sales etc by default, since the very easy blocking of "porn domains" at the ISP level, or in offices etc will significantly reduce the number of porn surfers so overall it will hurt the whole online adult biz. The Christian gropus nowadays say"don't reate .xxx because it is voluntary, it will only legitimize porn and double the amount of pornsites".... So if .xxx gets introduced, they will be bitching for a year and then they will try to make it mandatory for everyone.

Apart from that..... yes, domains pussy.xxx or tits.xxx may sound nice, and they surely would have great value if .xxx became mandatory, but IMO that value would be still not enough to compensate for lost traffic and all the headeches.

And if someone suggests that "many of the big companies support .xxx behind the scenes" and that they will secure the best domains for themselves, then I don't see how this would look like, especially since the number of the very premium names like pussy.xxx or sex.xxx is very limited.

So its not that SilverCash, ND, , PerfectGonzo and TCG are sitting with ICM at the table and negotiating who takes what.


In my opinion noone would gain from .xxx other than the ICM Registry.

The ONLY, truly ONLY organisation in adult who would gain something from .xxx would be the ones who will be sitting in this organisation and getting a few dollars for every .xxx domain

iffor.org/images/IFFOR_Org_Chart.gif

see this chart ^ (I don't want to hotlink or link directly to it)

But the big sponsors individually, they wouldn't gain anything from .xxx and I'd be surprised if many of them really supported it...

[polish_aristocrat]

few weeks later - question still not answered

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

few weeks later - question still not answered

[spacedog]

They're not Industry players, bet your ass that they're just scumbag domain squatters who like to call themselves domain investors.. That's all.. just registrars & squatters

[sigurman]

i don't support. I never will.

[DamageX]

Lensman.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by sigurman

i don't support. I never will.

[Dirty F]

I SUPPORT .XXX!!!

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by Dirty Franck

I SUPPORT .XXX!!!

PLAYERS, Franck, PLAYERS.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by DamageX

Lensman.

I can't comment on it directly for obvious reasons but I doubt that's truly the case.... (and yes, I remember his thread from 1 year ago)

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by DamageX

PLAYERS, Franck, PLAYERS.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

I can't comment on it directly for obvious reasons but I doubt that's truly the case....

I would be VERY surprised if that WASN'T the case.

[tony286]

it doesnt take a detective who sent a email against to icann and who didnt. Big words here really mean nothing if they didnt send a email to icann.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by DamageX

I would be VERY surprised if that WASN'T the case.

so you're suggesting that

a) Lensman is getting a cut from potential .xxx registrations?

or

b) Lensman has sit down with all other key Playboy guys and they made an analysis and discussed this issue in-debth and they came to the conclusion that for the adult online industry... or for their own company, it is better if the voluntary .xxx TLD will get implemented?

[PunkRockXXX]

fuck .xxx

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

so you're suggesting that

a) Lensman is getting a cut from potential .xxx registrations?

or

b) Lensman has sit down with all other key Playboy guys and they made an analysis and discussed this issue in-debth and they came to the conclusion that for the adult online industry... or for their own company, it is better if the voluntary .xxx TLD will get implemented?

I'm suggesting that Lensman is a smart guy who has no problem playing his cards right in order to make big profits. Make of it whatever you want.

[seeric]

i've been offering to publish the list of those supporting for months. the ones who do know who they are won't tell me.

i've offered an email to send the names to, still nothing.

makes me wonder.

if you know, and want to keep your confidentiality but want to do the industry a great service. email me the names of the "big fish" supporting .xxx behind the scenes and i will post it. i can care less who likes it.

meow.

hermyak -at- gmail dot com

wooof.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

the one of losing traffic is none, if xxx gets through all porn surfing sheep
will figure out the porn is now on .xxx instead of .com within days. Yeah
I know what you mean, sites losing their surfers....but they will also get
new surfers in return. See it like a big traffic tumbling machine

You see most of these guys think the traffic only exists because they put up a TGP. [That was a bit tongue in cheek alright.]

Who will it get rid of?

People who can't afford to buy new domains, yes these guys have tons of valuable traffic.

Yes it will mean a lot of work, it will probably mean a lot of the traffic will have to be redirected or new URLs will have to replace existing one, the admin work will be a nightmare and worse if you have loads of little feeder sites.

But what it will not do is cost us, as an industry, one single surfer. So are you big enough to survive the cull or will you be put out of business?

I do not want it to come, I have sent my letters, buy I'm planning it will. The guys sending letters and planning it will not can live in hope. But I'm being positive about the negative.