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ControlThy · 08-07-2002, 07:09 AM

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Originally posted by jizz mopper

Think about that next time you look at your wedding ring (if you're married, I don't know you) and someone told you that it's illegal and your marriage is not recognized anywhere, even though you're a citizen, pay your taxes and go to work everyday just like everyone else, but dont have the same right as everyone else.

Marriage is overrated anyway ;-)

bhutocracy · 08-07-2002, 07:10 AM

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Originally posted by jizz mopper

And while we pay our full share of taxes, just like you, we can't get married if we want to, because a bunch of old douchebags in power say so.
Doesn't that suck Pathfinder?

Think about that next time you look at your wedding ring (if you're married, I don't know you) and someone told you that it's illegal and your marriage is not recognized anywhere, even though you're a citizen, pay your taxes and go to work everyday just like everyone else, but dont have the same right as everyone else.

How would you feel?

heheh touche.

ControlThy · 08-07-2002, 07:11 AM

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Originally posted by mrthumbs

That just doenst make sense.. get my point?

No, not really.

bhutocracy · 08-07-2002, 07:13 AM

I don't think gays want any special rights.. or anything that anyone else doesn't have. Just the IVF access/adoption/marriage/spousal rights etc. that other citizens get... so talking about "special rights" is a bit of a strawman..

mrthumbs · 08-07-2002, 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by ControlThy
No, not really.

Great.. you just failed my 'are you straight?' test.

bhutocracy · 08-07-2002, 07:14 AM

like your right to try and get a dvd player for longest thread heheh

ControlThy · 08-07-2002, 07:16 AM

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Originally posted by mrthumbs

Great.. you just failed my 'are you straight?' test.

Hmm, you are an odd little fellow.

mrthumbs · 08-07-2002, 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by ControlThy
Hmm, you are an odd little fellow.

Thanks!

Joe Sixpack · 08-07-2002, 07:19 AM

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Originally posted by ControlThy

Hmm, you are an odd little fellow.

Mr. Thumbs is GFY's resident stalker.

Pathfinder · 08-07-2002, 07:19 AM

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Originally posted by jizz mopper

And while we pay our full share of taxes, just like you, we can't get married if we want to, because a bunch of old douchebags in power say so.
Wouldn't that suck Pathfinder?

Think about that next time you look at your wedding ring (if you're married, I don't know you) and someone told you that it's illegal and your marriage is not recognized anywhere, even though you're a citizen, pay your taxes and go to work everyday just like everyone else, but dont have the same right as everyone else.

How would you feel?

Well...I am not a constitutional expert so I don't know if gays have a constitutional leg to stand on when they demand the right to be married under the law.

You probably know more about this issue being brought before the Federal Supreme Court than I, as I do not know if this issue has been decided by the Supreme Court.

I suspect this issue may never be overcome by the gay community, but it will depend upon the Supreme Courts interpretation of the constitution.

If I were a Christian (which I am not), as the majority of the people of this country profess to be, I would be against it, based upon my understanding of the Christian Bible.

This may be an area where gays are wanting special recognition, as by tradition through out all of history, marriage has generally been, if not always, between couples of the opposite sex.

I for one find homosexuality abhorrent, but I recognize that the sexual preferrences of an adult should be that of the individual.

Yes, I am married and have been for 36 years.

jizz mopper · 08-07-2002, 07:23 AM

That's a lot of qualifying text Pathfinder: "this may", "you probably", "I suspect", "I don't know if"

Are you agreeing with me or not?

mrthumbs · 08-07-2002, 07:26 AM

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Originally posted by jizz mopper
That's a lot of qualifying text Pathfinder: "this may", "you probably", "I suspect", "I don't know if"
Are you agreeing with me or not?

He's just right: and you know it!

Pathfinder · 08-07-2002, 07:27 AM

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Originally posted by jizz mopper
That's a lot of qualifying text Pathfinder: "this may", "you probably", "I suspect", "I don't know if"

Are you agreeing with me or not?

No I am not agreeing. I am ambivalent about the subject of gays being married. I really don't care one way or the other, but it will be up to the Supreme Court and their interpretation of the constitution.

jas1552 · 08-07-2002, 07:30 AM

Gays have the equal right to marry someone of the opposite sex like everyone else.

Evil1 · 08-07-2002, 07:34 AM

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Originally posted by DjSap

is there evidence to support the alligation that he was a heterosexual?

Innocent until proven guilty!

archer · 08-07-2002, 07:49 AM

pathfinder et al

the premise of your is that homosexuality is 'abnormal'. This is incorrect. It is incorrect if for no other reason that homosexuality would have died out in the human population ages ago and clearly this has not happened.

Homosexuality is a 'normal' as heterosexuality.

I follow the argument that there is predisposition towards homosexuality on the part of some aka 'the gay gene'

As more and more studies point to the genetic basis for human and indeed all mammalian behaviour, one should be asking oneself what genetic advantage is gained by being homosexual for clearly there is some advantage otherwise the predisposition would have died out if it were 'abnormal'

I can think of many advantages for our ancestors to have gay people in the tribe....not the least of which the the artistic/scientific component that has been pointed out above.

As to the legal arguments raised above about gays wanted special rights.... again the premise of that argument is flawed. Gay people are not looking for special rights, they're looking for the same rights enjoyed by their fellow citizens. Anything less than that is legally authorized discrimination.

[Labret] · 08-07-2002, 07:50 AM

Rights? Homosexual rights? Homosexual pride?

In case nobody here took biology 101, the point of "sex" is reproduction. Period.

Penis was not made for anus. Vagina was not made to rub on other vaginas.

Homosexuality is an aberration.

Homosexuality is an evolutionary dead end. It is mother natures way of population control.

And I am talking of true homosexuality, not fad homosexuality.

[Labret] · 08-07-2002, 07:55 AM

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Originally posted by archer

I can think of many advantages for our ancestors to have gay people in the tribe....not the least of which the the artistic/scientific component that has been pointed out above.

I want you to name MORE advantages of having homosexuals in the "tribe".

What about all the scientists and artists in the past that were not homosexual? That truly is one of the most bizarre and probably irrelevant arguments I have ever heard for homosexuality.

We need homosexuals cause they are more creative.

Speechless.

DjSap · 08-07-2002, 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by Pathfinder
This may be an area where gays are wanting special recognition, as by tradition through out all of history, marriage has generally been, if not always, between couples of the opposite sex.

You don't have to call it marriage, just give two gay people the same rights as two heterosexual people who are married, call it partnership.

One more thing, I know that freedom of religion is pretty big in US, if gay people would start gayism

where the norm is that people of the same sex get married, would it be breaking the constitution not to give them that right?

DjSap · 08-07-2002, 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by .:Frog:.
If we were all gay the species would die off. Gays should be thankful straight people continue to make babies so we have generation after generation of new life.

We are living in the 21st century, you don't have to have sex to make babies...A planet full of gay people could survive...

Pathfinder · 08-07-2002, 08:14 AM

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Posted by archer

the premise of your is that homosexuality is 'abnormal'. This is incorrect. It is incorrect if for no other reason that homosexuality would have died out in the human population ages ago and clearly this has not happened.

Merriam Webster's Delux Dictionary:
abnormal: deviating from the normal or average.

But I have stated that it can be argued that it is normal to have a certain percentage of the population be abnormal.

There are abnormalities in all of nature, so it is normal to have a certain amount of abnormality.

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As to the legal arguments raised above about gays wanted special rights.... again the premise of that argument is flawed. Gay people are not looking for special rights, they're looking for the same rights enjoyed by their fellow citizens. Anything less than that is legally authorized discrimination.

I would think that when couples of the same sex are asking to be married under the law, they are asking for special rights. As has been pointed out by another poster they already have the same rights of marriage as any citizen. They can marry whoever they choose of the opposite sex.

bhutocracy · 08-07-2002, 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

I want you to name MORE advantages of having homosexuals in the "tribe".

What about all the scientists and artists in the past that were not homosexual? That truly is one of the most bizarre and probably irrelevant arguments I have ever heard for homosexuality.

We need homosexuals cause they are more creative.

Speechless.

heheh that was a pretty lame argument archer. I was going to take you up on it until labret stepped in with his usual subtlety

im sure he's taking notes for his next anthro thesis.. heheh
there are very heavy environmental factors leaning on the "creativity" in the gay community... as well as the fact that i would wager that any inherent creativity comes not from being a homosexual but being wired a little differently ergo a bias towards "not thinking like the rest" which may result in either creativity or differing sexuality or both or other attributes that may arise.. in fact I would just as easily say being creative means you have a tendency to be able to become/realise you are gay as being gay means you have a tendency to become/realise you are creative.

Pathfinder · 08-07-2002, 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by DjSap

You don't have to call it marriage, just give two gay people the same rights as two heterosexual people who are married, call it partnership.

One more thing, I know that freedom of religion is pretty big in US, if gay people would start gayism where the norm is that people of the same sex get married, would it be breaking the constitution not to give them that right?

There are cities/states that have approved partnership rights, but the gays also want the right for same sex couples to be married under the law.

Well...Mormons cannot legally have multiple wives, as used to be part of their religion, so freedom of religion still has to be within the boundaries of the law.

foe · 08-07-2002, 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by ControlThy
You know what is pretty abnormal?

A 70 year old retired soldier spending his time on an adult message board giving his comments on everything there is to comment on.

Shall we have someone research how many 70 year old retired soldiers post on adult message boards?

Actually, I am pretty sure the outcome would be less than 10% of the population of the US.

Can we label that as abnormal?

bhutocracy · 08-07-2002, 08:21 AM

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Originally posted by Pathfinder

I would think that when couples of the same sex are asking to be married under the law, they are asking for special rights. As has been pointed out by another poster they already have the same rights of marriage as any citizen. They can marry whoever they choose of the opposite sex.

a "special" right would be a right that only homosexuals would be entitled to would it not? if the law was passed then pathfinder you too as a heterosexual would have a right to marry a person of the same sex.. the same right evry citizen would have.. and therefore not a "special" right

bhutocracy · 08-07-2002, 08:27 AM

what kind of a right is being able to marry a person of the same sex to you??? i'd wager just as useful as the right for a homosexual to marry a woman. currently by your reasoning YOU are the one with "special rights".

I guess I just don't see the point.. who gives a fuck who marries who? and it's not only a religious thing either.. civil celebrants marry the non-religious every day.

Pathfinder · 08-07-2002, 08:29 AM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

a "special" right would be a right that only homosexuals would be entitled to would it not? if the law was passed then pathfinder you too as a heterosexual would have a right to marry a person of the same sex.. the same right evry citizen would have.. and therefore not a "special" right

Well the current law is that homosexuals cannot marry, so they are asking for a special law to be created that would allow same sex marriages, but you are correct that if such a law were to be passed then that right under the law would apply to all citizens.

bhutocracy · 08-07-2002, 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by Pathfinder

Well the current law is that homosexuals cannot marry, so they are asking for a special law to be created that would allow same sex marriages, but you are correct that if such a law were to be passed then that right under the law would apply to all citizens.

perhaps instead of "special" you mean "additional equalising" law

Pathfinder · 08-07-2002, 08:37 AM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy
what kind of a right is being able to marry a person of the same sex to you??? i'd wager just as useful as the right for a homosexual to marry a woman. currently by your reasoning YOU are the one with "special rights".

I guess I just don't see the point.. who gives a fuck who marries who? and it's not only a religious thing either.. civil celebrants marry the non-religious every day.

I have already stated this in a previous post.

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I am ambivalent about the subject of gays being married. I really don't care one way or the other, but it will be up to the Supreme Court and their interpretation of the constitution.

We only have rights under the law and the laws in this country are required to adhere to the Constitution. Until laws are passed covering a specific subject, either yea or nay, we do not have a right.

Heterosexuals currently have the right, under the law, to marry the opposite sex, homosexuals do not have the right to marry someone of the same sex. Homosexuals are asking that a new law (a new right) be made. I don't know if the matter has gone before the Supreme Court or not, but if it has the Court ruled it not to be Constitutional, or ruled that it falls under the realm of States Rights to adjudicate the matter.

.:Frog:. · 08-07-2002, 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by DjSap

We are living in the 21st century, you don't have to have sex to make babies...A planet full of gay people could survive...

I would like to see us set aside an Island for the gays to live on.
Lets see how well they clone babies and populate using a science lab. What a joke. We could take bets on what wipes them out first. Aids, or their inability to get the clones right.
You really think a gay-only planet or country would thrive?

[Labret] · 08-07-2002, 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by .:Frog:.

I would like to see us set aside an Island for the gays to live on.
Lets see how well they clone babies and populate using a science lab. What a joke. We could take bets on what wipes them out first. Aids, or their inability to get the clones right.
You really think a gay-only planet or country would thrive?

France and Greece seem to do quite well.

.:Frog:. · 08-07-2002, 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

France and Greece seem to do quite well.

LOL I stand corrected.

DjSap · 08-07-2002, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by .:Frog:.

I would like to see us set aside an Island for the gays to live on.
Lets see how well they clone babies and populate using a science lab. What a joke. We could take bets on what wipes them out first. Aids, or their inability to get the clones right.
You really think a gay-only planet or country would thrive?

If im correct it's mainly the heterosexuals that spread aids these days...and yes i would think a gay planet would work, just give them modern technology and they'll do just fine.

bhutocracy · 08-07-2002, 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by .:Frog:.

I would like to see us set aside an Island for the gays to live on.
Lets see how well they clone babies and populate using a science lab. What a joke. We could take bets on what wipes them out first. Aids, or their inability to get the clones right.
You really think a gay-only planet or country would thrive?

what is it with these guys and their homo islands? every time this subject comes up it's ass-play in the tropics. you guys. seriously.

Dawgy · 08-07-2002, 09:45 AM

well as the resident homo i guess i should post huh

.... i think the whole pride thing is lame. i have no shame about the fact im into guys, but i also have no shame about the fact that i like coke, prefer my steaks medium well, dislike broccoli, and always sleep on the right side of the bed.

but im not gonna go around waving rainbow flags and banners saying i want recognition because i belong to a certain group. fuck that. i am who i am and i dont need society to "recognize" me like those lesbo's at the basketball game.

Dawgy · 08-07-2002, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by .:Frog:.
I would like to see us set aside an Island for the gays to live on. Lets see how well they clone babies and populate using a science lab. What a joke. We could take bets on what wipes them out first. Aids, or their inability to get the clones right.
You really think a gay-only planet or country would thrive?

id like to see us set aside an island for all the dipshit morons to live on. lets see how well they populate using their tiny little dicks. what a joke. we could take bets on what wipes them out first. their own stupidity, or their inability to wipe their own asses. you really think a moron-only planet or country would thrive?

[Labret] · 08-07-2002, 09:52 AM

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Originally posted by Dawgy

id like to see us set aside an island for all the dipshit morons to live on. lets see how well they populate using their tiny little dicks. what a joke. we could take bets on what wipes them out first. their own stupidity, or their inability to wipe their own asses. you really think a moron-only planet or country would thrive?

Canada does quite well.

.:Frog:. · 08-07-2002, 09:52 AM

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Originally posted by Dawgy

id like to see us set aside an island for all the dipshit morons to live on. lets see how well they populate using their tiny little dicks. what a joke. we could take bets on what wipes them out first. their own stupidity, or their inability to wipe their own asses. you really think a moron-only planet or country would thrive?

Eat a dick Dawgy...er no wait, you would enjoy that. Why don't you lick a pussy!

DarkJedi · 08-07-2002, 09:53 AM

Sir Alec Guiness was gay ?

fuck

[Labret] · 08-07-2002, 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
Sir Alec Guiness was gay ?

fuck

Dont believe the hype. Liberals and lefties and the rest of the rainbow ilk have labeled just about everyone in history of any importance a homosexual. Everyone from Jesus to Ghandi.

Dawgy · 08-07-2002, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by .:Frog:.
Eat a dick Dawgy...er no wait, you would enjoy that. Why don't you lick a pussy!

i rest my case.

.:Frog:. · 08-07-2002, 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Dont believe the hype. Liberals and lefties and the rest of the rainbow ilk have labeled just about everyone in history of any importance a homosexual. Everyone from Jesus to Ghandi.

I remember gays saying Robin Hood was gay, and England was upset because it ruined his image. When you think about a guy wearing tights with his "merry men" it does spell out gay. Wish I had saved the article somewhere it was really funny.

Dawgy · 08-07-2002, 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by .:Frog:.
When you think about a guy wearing tights with his "merry men" it does spell out gay.

how so? i dont own any tights. i dont have any merry men, but i do have friends who are as loyal to me as robin's merry men...

stereotypes are funny, but when u take them seriously you expose your own homophobic stupidity

.:Frog:. · 08-07-2002, 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by Dawgy

how so? i dont own any tights. i dont have any merry men, but i do have friends who are as loyal to me as robin's merry men...

stereotypes are funny, but when u take them seriously you expose your own homophobic stupidity

It was GAYS who said Robin Hood was gay and it angered STRAIGHT people.
It was Gays playing on a stereotype.
Shit I wish I could post the story but it was years ago I read it.

Dawgy · 08-07-2002, 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by .:Frog:.
It was GAYS who said Robin Hood was gay and it angered STRAIGHT people.
It was Gays playing on a stereotype.
Shit I wish I could post the story but it was years ago I read it.

gay people know how to make fun of themselves & watch the general public squirm

.:Frog:. · 08-07-2002, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by Dawgy

gay people know how to make fun of themselves & watch the general public squirm

All is good, truce.

drumsicle · 08-07-2002, 10:15 AM

I never knew that Fred Flinstone was gay.

I guess the lyrics prove it though.

Someday maybe fred will win the fight
Then the cat will stay out for the night
When you're with the flintstones
Have a yabba-dabba-doo time
A dabba-doo time
We'll have a gay old time
We'll have a gay old time yeah

Evil1 · 08-07-2002, 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by DjSap
If im correct it's mainly the heterosexuals that spread aids these days...and yes i would think a gay planet would work, just give them modern technology and they'll do just fine.

kmanrox · 08-07-2002, 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by .:Frog:.

I remember gays saying Robin Hood was gay, and England was upset because it ruined his image. When you think about a guy wearing tights with his "merry men" it does spell out gay. Wish I had saved the article somewhere it was really funny.

hey frog, wanna fuck? lmk

bo bo bo · 08-07-2002, 11:41 AM

I really do not see the big deal in someone standing up for what they believe in and getting noticed. People do it all the time and if it bothers you turn the other cheek and ignore it. I was raised to be vocal and stand up for my beliefs whatever they may be. I have been the watcher of activists groups, a participant and sometimes even started a uproar or two myself, ohhhh ahhhhhh.

What I really love about growing up in the US is that WE, EVERYONE can do this. You can stand up and be seen for whatever you want. You can start a group or following for any reason.

If it wasn't for people standing up or even sitting down on the back of a bus, people would still look at African Americans as inferior and not be given the same opportunites as whites. So being seen and heard does get things done.

Look........by that group of Lesbians standing up and kissing made this thread go on this long. It will probabaly go on for a while. With good comments and bad, but it made everyone come together and notice. They did what they wanted/needed to do to get noticed and it worked.

Well I will get off my soapbox now that i said my piece.

08-07-2002, 07:49 AM	#66
archer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,721	pathfinder et al the premise of your is that homosexuality is 'abnormal'. This is incorrect. It is incorrect if for no other reason that homosexuality would have died out in the human population ages ago and clearly this has not happened. Homosexuality is a 'normal' as heterosexuality. I follow the argument that there is predisposition towards homosexuality on the part of some aka 'the gay gene' As more and more studies point to the genetic basis for human and indeed all mammalian behaviour, one should be asking oneself what genetic advantage is gained by being homosexual for clearly there is some advantage otherwise the predisposition would have died out if it were 'abnormal' I can think of many advantages for our ancestors to have gay people in the tribe....not the least of which the the artistic/scientific component that has been pointed out above. As to the legal arguments raised above about gays wanted special rights.... again the premise of that argument is flawed. Gay people are not looking for special rights, they're looking for the same rights enjoyed by their fellow citizens. Anything less than that is legally authorized discrimination. __________________ Looking to promote uncut cock? Check out Uncut Cash. It rocks.

08-07-2002, 07:50 AM	#67
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Rights? Homosexual rights? Homosexual pride? In case nobody here took biology 101, the point of "sex" is reproduction. Period. Penis was not made for anus. Vagina was not made to rub on other vaginas. Homosexuality is an aberration. Homosexuality is an evolutionary dead end. It is mother natures way of population control. And I am talking of true homosexuality, not fad homosexuality. Last edited by [Labret]; 08-07-2002 at 07:51 AM..

08-07-2002, 09:45 AM	#85
Dawgy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 5,856	well as the resident homo i guess i should post huh .... i think the whole pride thing is lame. i have no shame about the fact im into guys, but i also have no shame about the fact that i like coke, prefer my steaks medium well, dislike broccoli, and always sleep on the right side of the bed. but im not gonna go around waving rainbow flags and banners saying i want recognition because i belong to a certain group. fuck that. i am who i am and i dont need society to "recognize" me like those lesbo's at the basketball game. __________________ the revolution is coming.

08-07-2002, 07:13 AM	#54
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	I don't think gays want any special rights.. or anything that anyone else doesn't have. Just the IVF access/adoption/marriage/spousal rights etc. that other citizens get... so talking about "special rights" is a bit of a strawman..

08-07-2002, 07:14 AM	#56
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	like your right to try and get a dvd player for longest thread heheh

08-07-2002, 07:23 AM	#61
jizz mopper Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 136	That's a lot of qualifying text Pathfinder: "this may", "you probably", "I suspect", "I don't know if" Are you agreeing with me or not?

08-07-2002, 07:30 AM	#64
jas1552 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Land of the free, home of the brave Posts: 1,462	Gays have the equal right to marry someone of the opposite sex like everyone else.

08-07-2002, 08:27 AM	#76
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	what kind of a right is being able to marry a person of the same sex to you??? i'd wager just as useful as the right for a homosexual to marry a woman. currently by your reasoning YOU are the one with "special rights". I guess I just don't see the point.. who gives a fuck who marries who? and it's not only a religious thing either.. civil celebrants marry the non-religious every day.

08-07-2002, 09:53 AM	#89
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,301	Sir Alec Guiness was gay ? fuck

08-07-2002, 10:15 AM	#97
drumsicle Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis Posts: 1,049	I never knew that Fred Flinstone was gay. I guess the lyrics prove it though. Someday maybe fred will win the fight Then the cat will stay out for the night When you're with the flintstones Have a yabba-dabba-doo time A dabba-doo time We'll have a gay old time We'll have a gay old time yeah

08-07-2002, 11:41 AM	#100
bo bo bo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1	I really do not see the big deal in someone standing up for what they believe in and getting noticed. People do it all the time and if it bothers you turn the other cheek and ignore it. I was raised to be vocal and stand up for my beliefs whatever they may be. I have been the watcher of activists groups, a participant and sometimes even started a uproar or two myself, ohhhh ahhhhhh. What I really love about growing up in the US is that WE, EVERYONE can do this. You can stand up and be seen for whatever you want. You can start a group or following for any reason. If it wasn't for people standing up or even sitting down on the back of a bus, people would still look at African Americans as inferior and not be given the same opportunites as whites. So being seen and heard does get things done. Look........by that group of Lesbians standing up and kissing made this thread go on this long. It will probabaly go on for a while. With good comments and bad, but it made everyone come together and notice. They did what they wanted/needed to do to get noticed and it worked. Well I will get off my soapbox now that i said my piece.