Search Engine Submit - GoFuckYourself.com

boneprone · 08-06-2002, 08:53 PM

I just payed 200.00 and submited a site to isubmit.com

is it worth it? Or did I jsut get ripped off.
Its the one ya get when you try adding a page to lycos.

Its been YEARS and YEARS since ive even submited to a search engine, and played SE games. My sites are in the SE's but I wanted better placement better keywords and all that bullshit.

this is the first time Ive EVER pay submitted to one of these things. Do they work? and does this one work?

I used to get about 5k in SE hits a day back in the day i actually went out of my way to submit.

What can i expect with this?

boneprone · 08-06-2002, 08:56 PM

hmmmm. after the fact, im looking into this more.

I think I may have jsut payed these guys to do something i could have done myself for free. I remeber there were companies like this back in the day when i used to do this. It seems they are the same bullshit today.

Or do these guys have some inside connections?

Theo · 08-06-2002, 08:59 PM

don't expect a lot,how much you paid?

boneprone · 08-06-2002, 08:59 PM

I remeber when exxxotica and I used to charge people 79.99 to submit thier shit to search engines. We had an automated script and everything, and they could see it happenieng right in front of thier eyes.

Im starting to think our old script did a better job.
This looks like something we went into biz with 4 years ago submitting to SE's.

But back then it actually worked.

some_idiot · 08-06-2002, 09:01 PM

TrafficSeeker does 1600+ without babysitting it for
the most basic version. Something like $60 and you
own it.

... did you get ripped? Depends, what's your time
worth these days. Sometimes it pays to pay.

Jaded_Fool · 08-06-2002, 09:02 PM

I say you shouldve just done it yourself, they submit to a lot of free search engines anyway.

Wouldve been more worth while taking your money to an optimisation specialist and trying to get a good listing on google.

boneprone · 08-06-2002, 09:07 PM

optimisation specialist?

what in the fuck?

boneprone · 08-06-2002, 09:09 PM

i payed 200.00 EVEN!

Dildozer · 08-06-2002, 09:11 PM

I'm sorry to say this bone, but you got ripped off. Most search engines go out of their way to block such automated scripts from
submitting. ie: http://addurl.altavista.com/sites/addurl/newurl

The only way to submit succesfully is by hand.

btw i get
http://searchservices.lycos.com/sear...t_overview.asp
when i submit to lycos. I dunno where you got that isubmit.com thing.

If you wanna pay for inclusion, do it with the SEs themselves. Yahoo is $600 for adult sites and they are VERY hard to convince so only do it if you think your site is cross-browser compatible and has relevant content.
Inktomi used to be worth it but since aol replaced it with google, it's not what it once was. Try DMOZ.com if you're not already in there it might help.

boneprone · 08-06-2002, 09:11 PM

what about that payed shit on yahoo.
That shit was a joke several years ago, im assuming it still is.

You pay them just to review the site, and MAYBE they list it.
WTF?

Theo · 08-06-2002, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
i payed 200.00 EVEN!

damn

Dildozer · 08-06-2002, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jaded_Fool

Wouldve been more worth while taking your money to an optimisation specialist and trying to get a good listing on google.

$200 for a SEO? LOL ya like that's gonna get you far.

Bone, make sure your content is rich in keywords, that your title and metas have keywords in them and get alot of links pointing towards your site. You can't go wrong.

Jaded_Fool · 08-06-2002, 09:14 PM

haha u dont know what an SEO is?
get someone to optimise your site for search engines so they rank well, or you could learn yourself ... and get free traffic

If you get your site under good keywords in google you'll make a shit load of traffic!

boneprone · 08-06-2002, 09:14 PM

yeah i figured i was getting ripped off as i was filling htis shit out.
I said fuck it and did it.
Fuck.

Dildozer · 08-06-2002, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
what about that payed shit on yahoo.
That shit was a joke several years ago, im assuming it still is.

You pay them just to review the site, and MAYBE they list it.
WTF?

That's pretty much the way it goes nowadays. it's usually $300 but for adult it's $600 (too much she-male and midgets sites i guess)

boneprone · 08-06-2002, 09:15 PM

hmm, it said it submitted to DMOZ.com also.
But who knows if they do

Jaded_Fool · 08-06-2002, 09:15 PM

Hey, id do it for $200 plus expenses, hehe

Dildozer · 08-06-2002, 09:16 PM

DMOZ will not even bother to look at an automated submit. It's a bunch of guys working for free and they usually don't take any crap like that

Dildozer · 08-06-2002, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jaded_Fool
Hey, id do it for $200 plus expenses, hehe

No offense but if you do it for $200 + expenses, my guess is you suck.

Dildozer · 08-06-2002, 09:18 PM

Unless expenses rise to a couple 1000s then it's ok of course !

Jaded_Fool · 08-06-2002, 09:22 PM

Bah, $200 american is good money for where I live.

Jaded_Fool · 08-06-2002, 09:23 PM

And a lot of stuff can be claimed as 'expenses'

Dildozer · 08-06-2002, 09:24 PM

Hey I'm canadian! Our money isn't worth shit either!

boneprone · 08-06-2002, 09:26 PM

The name "boneprone" is in the seach engines already thousands of times!

Unfortunatly, they arent to my site, but to people who are linking to my site.

Dirty bastards

Jaded_Fool · 08-06-2002, 09:28 PM

boneprone - get the google toolbar and use it to see what ure page rank is in google.

Because if you have a good PR already, you might only have to do some minor text changes to get it ranked highly on keywords of your choice

Shoplifter · 08-06-2002, 09:35 PM

Really Google is almost 90% of the se game these days. I think I get a few hits from AV.

Dildozer · 08-06-2002, 09:36 PM

well since aol, google and msn all use google results, it's true. The game is in google.

Jaded_Fool · 08-06-2002, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dildozer
well since aol, google and msn all use google results, it's true. The game is in google.

Google dont supply MSN ... Microsoft just said they view Google as a competitor!

letshunt · 08-06-2002, 09:44 PM

I work pretty hard on optimizing sites for google...and it can be done. There are a lot of programs out there to do it...the only one I have ever seen that was worth a shit is GRSEO...from some guy in holland. It works pretty well.

I have a small linklist of my some of my sites and have got it up to number 13 on Google under "thumbnail gallery posts"...I get a ton of traffic on it. Ahead of some of the big boys....like Thumbzilla..etc.

you have to approximate the current algorhythm that google is using in regards to their themeing and keyword algorhythms. Sounds pretty hard, but it really isn't. You just have to download monthly updates and tweek the percentage of keywords and keyword relevancy to what the program suggests. Then be pretty strict in linking to sites that are on the exact niche theme you are on. Takes about fifteen minutes a week.

Just my two cents worth, but it has worked for me. Webposition Gold is out there, too. I never had alot of success with it and it takes forever to get sites optimized. Too much work for this amateur.

Dildozer · 08-06-2002, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jaded_Fool

Google dont supply MSN ... Microsoft just said they view Google as a competitor!

You're right i always thought msn was using google. Shows how much i give a shit about it, goole is all i care about.

boneprone · 08-06-2002, 10:06 PM

ok, i got the tool bar.
There is a part that says "page rank"

It isnt givng me a number, but boneprone seems to fill the green bar at about 50%

whats this mean?

foe · 08-06-2002, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
yeah i figured i was getting ripped off as i was filling htis shit out.
I said fuck it and did it.
Fuck.

Just do a chargeback

boneprone · 08-06-2002, 10:19 PM

haaaaaa I will in 14 days.
good idea.

I hope they use jetbill.
It will make things extra easy

Dildozer · 08-06-2002, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
ok, i got the tool bar.
There is a part that says "page rank"

It isnt givng me a number, but boneprone seems to fill the green bar at about 50%

whats this mean?

Mouseover should say pagerank about 5
btw the toolbar has lots of interesting things like who's linking to you, how many pages you got indexed and whatnot.

Jaded_Fool · 08-06-2002, 11:50 PM

Yeh, a PR of 4 or 5 is decent.

What you need to do now is maybe try and get your links up a bit, keyword your site etc ...

That'll get it going in google, which is all you need!

mike503 · 08-06-2002, 11:55 PM

i remember the SE's.

those were good days.

purrr.

BP you got jacked, imho.

Lensman · 08-06-2002, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
hmmmm. after the fact, im looking into this more.

I think I may have jsut payed these guys to do something i could have done myself for free. I remeber there were companies like this back in the day when i used to do this. It seems they are the same bullshit today.

Or do these guys have some inside connections?

Fuck dude, every site on google is yours now. It's making me nutz.

Mike Semen · 08-07-2002, 03:15 AM

Anybody who submits to "1000+" search engines is a fucking cowboy. You only need to do 15 at the most, depending on who you're targeting.

SE optimisation specialists work, but are VERY expensive. Basic package woud cost for, £3000.

I would know, I worked for one of Europe's biggest SEO firms.

Juge · 08-07-2002, 06:22 AM

What do you guys think of those programs that submit to a few SE's but also to a ton of 'directory listings'. Even if they suck as far as hits from them (the dir listings), they still would greatly improve link popularity. Has anyone tried them?

ldinternet · 08-07-2002, 06:27 AM

Does anyone have the URL to show hown many searches a term has had on Google please?

For example:

Phrase Matches Microsoft 45,030 Impressions
Phrase Matches Bank 32,020 Impressions

?

Speedy26 · 08-07-2002, 07:51 AM

is it a good idea to submit thumbnail pages to SE's, say i have a paysite thats getting good SE traffic and i have made 200 galleries for it, should i submit all 200 thumbnail pages or do the SE's consider that spamming? not all 200 pages in one day just like one a day..

jtotheimmer · 08-07-2002, 08:30 AM

Boneprone, I can help you with SEO. If you're seriously interested and have a budget let me know.

No tricks or spamming just proven techniques. I can't guarantee a top ten ranking but I will promise a good ROI.

Chris R · 08-07-2002, 08:46 AM

Boneprone - I can hook you up for free - I will see you in Florida.
Don't pay out any more $$$.

McAttack · 08-07-2002, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by letshunt
I work pretty hard on optimizing sites for google...and it can be done. There are a lot of programs out there to do it...the only one I have ever seen that was worth a shit is GRSEO...from some guy in holland. It works pretty well.

I have a small linklist of my some of my sites and have got it up to number 13 on Google under "thumbnail gallery posts"...I get a ton of traffic on it. Ahead of some of the big boys....like Thumbzilla..etc.

you have to approximate the current algorhythm that google is using in regards to their themeing and keyword algorhythms. Sounds pretty hard, but it really isn't. You just have to download monthly updates and tweek the percentage of keywords and keyword relevancy to what the program suggests. Then be pretty strict in linking to sites that are on the exact niche theme you are on. Takes about fifteen minutes a week.

Just my two cents worth, but it has worked for me. Webposition Gold is out there, too. I never had alot of success with it and it takes forever to get sites optimized. Too much work for this amateur.

Good info man, thanks!

iv@n · 08-07-2002, 11:59 AM

google hasn't such service.
only i know is overture>
http://inventory.overture.com/d/sear...ry/suggestion/

Quote:

Originally posted by ldinternet
Does anyone have the URL to show hown many searches a term has had on Google please?

For example:

Phrase Matches Microsoft 45,030 Impressions
Phrase Matches Bank 32,020 Impressions

?

jtotheimmer · 08-08-2002, 01:57 PM

Here's the skinny:

Most adult pay sites out there, from what I can tell, are trying to achieve top rankings by using tricks like spamming. Stuff like this might work in the very short-run but by doing this you run the risk of getting the site or sites banned permanently...not something a site can afford especially in this industry.

To do things legitimately takes some serious understanding of the search engines and a fair bit of effort on behalf of the site owner (or the guy they hire to do the work).

You have to look at things like:
1. The structure and layout of the site.
2. The HTML code isn't blocking access to your content
3. The copy being used is keyword rich.
4. Take into consideration file size and images being used.
5. Create a decent set of incoming and outgoing links
6. Identify and create keywords that are useful and the traffic is easily converted
7. Understand the work arounds for code heavy sites that may or may not have dynamic elements
8. Also the submission of the site into the directories is of the utmost importance. If you don't do it right the first time you could have to wait forever to get another shot.

THose are my 2 cents. These are just some of the things you have to be aware of. when doing this stuff and try not to cut corners, the SE's will get ya.

08-06-2002, 08:53 PM	#1
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Search Engine Submit I just payed 200.00 and submited a site to isubmit.com is it worth it? Or did I jsut get ripped off. Its the one ya get when you try adding a page to lycos. Its been YEARS and YEARS since ive even submited to a search engine, and played SE games. My sites are in the SE's but I wanted better placement better keywords and all that bullshit. this is the first time Ive EVER pay submitted to one of these things. Do they work? and does this one work? I used to get about 5k in SE hits a day back in the day i actually went out of my way to submit. What can i expect with this? __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

08-06-2002, 08:56 PM	#2
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	hmmmm. after the fact, im looking into this more. I think I may have jsut payed these guys to do something i could have done myself for free. I remeber there were companies like this back in the day when i used to do this. It seems they are the same bullshit today. Or do these guys have some inside connections? __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

08-06-2002, 08:59 PM	#4
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	I remeber when exxxotica and I used to charge people 79.99 to submit thier shit to search engines. We had an automated script and everything, and they could see it happenieng right in front of thier eyes. Im starting to think our old script did a better job. This looks like something we went into biz with 4 years ago submitting to SE's. But back then it actually worked. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

08-06-2002, 09:07 PM	#7
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	optimisation specialist? what in the fuck? __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

08-06-2002, 09:09 PM	#8
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	i payed 200.00 EVEN! __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

08-06-2002, 08:59 PM	#3
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	don't expect a lot,how much you paid?

08-06-2002, 09:01 PM	#5
some_idiot Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Doesn't matter, I'm not buying you another pint! Posts: 1,511	TrafficSeeker does 1600+ without babysitting it for the most basic version. Something like $60 and you own it. ... did you get ripped? Depends, what's your time worth these days. Sometimes it pays to pay.

08-06-2002, 09:02 PM	#6
Jaded_Fool Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 25	I say you shouldve just done it yourself, they submit to a lot of free search engines anyway. Wouldve been more worth while taking your money to an optimisation specialist and trying to get a good listing on google.

08-06-2002, 09:11 PM	#9
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	I'm sorry to say this bone, but you got ripped off. Most search engines go out of their way to block such automated scripts from submitting. ie: http://addurl.altavista.com/sites/addurl/newurl The only way to submit succesfully is by hand. btw i get http://searchservices.lycos.com/sear...t_overview.asp when i submit to lycos. I dunno where you got that isubmit.com thing. If you wanna pay for inclusion, do it with the SEs themselves. Yahoo is $600 for adult sites and they are VERY hard to convince so only do it if you think your site is cross-browser compatible and has relevant content. Inktomi used to be worth it but since aol replaced it with google, it's not what it once was. Try DMOZ.com if you're not already in there it might help. __________________ Spam link here

08-06-2002, 09:14 PM	#13
Jaded_Fool Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 25	haha u dont know what an SEO is? get someone to optimise your site for search engines so they rank well, or you could learn yourself ... and get free traffic If you get your site under good keywords in google you'll make a shit load of traffic!

08-06-2002, 09:15 PM	#16
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	hmm, it said it submitted to DMOZ.com also. But who knows if they do __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

08-06-2002, 09:16 PM	#18
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	DMOZ will not even bother to look at an automated submit. It's a bunch of guys working for free and they usually don't take any crap like that __________________ Spam link here

08-06-2002, 09:18 PM	#20
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	Unless expenses rise to a couple 1000s then it's ok of course ! __________________ Spam link here

08-06-2002, 09:22 PM	#21
Jaded_Fool Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 25	Bah, $200 american is good money for where I live.

08-06-2002, 09:23 PM	#22
Jaded_Fool Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 25	And a lot of stuff can be claimed as 'expenses'

08-06-2002, 09:24 PM	#23
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	Hey I'm canadian! Our money isn't worth shit either! __________________ Spam link here

08-06-2002, 09:26 PM	#24
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	The name "boneprone" is in the seach engines already thousands of times! Unfortunatly, they arent to my site, but to people who are linking to my site. Dirty bastards __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

08-06-2002, 09:28 PM	#25
Jaded_Fool Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 25	boneprone - get the google toolbar and use it to see what ure page rank is in google. Because if you have a good PR already, you might only have to do some minor text changes to get it ranked highly on keywords of your choice

08-06-2002, 09:35 PM	#26
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,736	Really Google is almost 90% of the se game these days. I think I get a few hits from AV.

08-06-2002, 09:36 PM	#27
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	well since aol, google and msn all use google results, it's true. The game is in google. __________________ Spam link here

08-06-2002, 09:44 PM	#29
letshunt Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 196	I work pretty hard on optimizing sites for google...and it can be done. There are a lot of programs out there to do it...the only one I have ever seen that was worth a shit is GRSEO...from some guy in holland. It works pretty well. I have a small linklist of my some of my sites and have got it up to number 13 on Google under "thumbnail gallery posts"...I get a ton of traffic on it. Ahead of some of the big boys....like Thumbzilla..etc. you have to approximate the current algorhythm that google is using in regards to their themeing and keyword algorhythms. Sounds pretty hard, but it really isn't. You just have to download monthly updates and tweek the percentage of keywords and keyword relevancy to what the program suggests. Then be pretty strict in linking to sites that are on the exact niche theme you are on. Takes about fifteen minutes a week. Just my two cents worth, but it has worked for me. Webposition Gold is out there, too. I never had alot of success with it and it takes forever to get sites optimized. Too much work for this amateur. __________________ The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. -George Patton

08-06-2002, 10:06 PM	#31
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	ok, i got the tool bar. There is a part that says "page rank" It isnt givng me a number, but boneprone seems to fill the green bar at about 50% whats this mean? __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

08-06-2002, 10:19 PM	#33
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	haaaaaa I will in 14 days. good idea. I hope they use jetbill. It will make things extra easy __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

08-06-2002, 11:50 PM	#35
Jaded_Fool Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 25	Yeh, a PR of 4 or 5 is decent. What you need to do now is maybe try and get your links up a bit, keyword your site etc ... That'll get it going in google, which is all you need!

08-06-2002, 11:55 PM	#36
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	i remember the SE's. those were good days. purrr. BP you got jacked, imho. __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

08-07-2002, 03:15 AM	#38
Mike Semen Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: London Town Posts: 2,924	Anybody who submits to "1000+" search engines is a fucking cowboy. You only need to do 15 at the most, depending on who you're targeting. SE optimisation specialists work, but are VERY expensive. Basic package woud cost for, £3000. I would know, I worked for one of Europe's biggest SEO firms. __________________ ICQ 1454 81 522 \|

08-07-2002, 06:22 AM	#39
Juge Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,917	What do you guys think of those programs that submit to a few SE's but also to a ton of 'directory listings'. Even if they suck as far as hits from them (the dir listings), they still would greatly improve link popularity. Has anyone tried them?

08-07-2002, 06:27 AM	#40
ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	Does anyone have the URL to show hown many searches a term has had on Google please? For example: Phrase Matches Microsoft 45,030 Impressions Phrase Matches Bank 32,020 Impressions ?

08-07-2002, 07:51 AM	#41
Speedy26 Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: MI Posts: 950	is it a good idea to submit thumbnail pages to SE's, say i have a paysite thats getting good SE traffic and i have made 200 galleries for it, should i submit all 200 thumbnail pages or do the SE's consider that spamming? not all 200 pages in one day just like one a day.. __________________ http://www.amberscash.com webmaster {at} crazynakedchick [dot] com

08-07-2002, 08:30 AM	#42
jtotheimmer Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 6	Boneprone, I can help you with SEO. If you're seriously interested and have a budget let me know. No tricks or spamming just proven techniques. I can't guarantee a top ten ranking but I will promise a good ROI.

08-07-2002, 08:46 AM	#43
Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	Boneprone - I can hook you up for free - I will see you in Florida. Don't pay out any more $$$.

08-08-2002, 01:57 PM	#46
jtotheimmer Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 6	Here's the skinny: Most adult pay sites out there, from what I can tell, are trying to achieve top rankings by using tricks like spamming. Stuff like this might work in the very short-run but by doing this you run the risk of getting the site or sites banned permanently...not something a site can afford especially in this industry. To do things legitimately takes some serious understanding of the search engines and a fair bit of effort on behalf of the site owner (or the guy they hire to do the work). You have to look at things like: 1. The structure and layout of the site. 2. The HTML code isn't blocking access to your content 3. The copy being used is keyword rich. 4. Take into consideration file size and images being used. 5. Create a decent set of incoming and outgoing links 6. Identify and create keywords that are useful and the traffic is easily converted 7. Understand the work arounds for code heavy sites that may or may not have dynamic elements 8. Also the submission of the site into the directories is of the utmost importance. If you don't do it right the first time you could have to wait forever to get another shot. THose are my 2 cents. These are just some of the things you have to be aware of. when doing this stuff and try not to cut corners, the SE's will get ya.