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Old 02-28-2007, 09:39 PM   #101
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ok, I'll dumb it down for you.
You do not release a list like that until you're 100% sure its accurate and 100% sure what your legal position would be.

This is the problem with this board. You've got surfers pretending to be part of the community shooting their mouth off about things they can't begin to understand.
Oh darn.. I was wanting someone to just make up some names and throw em out there.... Talk about a halfwit...

And I've been pretending since 96.. and shall continue to do so.. It's fun pretending to know things, but you already know that..

Now... make up your mind... Release it when you know it's accurate or when given the go ahead? Bein' a little bit wishy washy there arntcha?

Now.. I must continue surfing...
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Old 02-28-2007, 11:31 PM   #102
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spacedog - moniker does not support .xxx...we support our customers and if the extension gets approved, we will carry it like all other extensions and provide it to our customers. we do not have any personal or financial benefit to support any extension other than offering it to our clients as an option to register and protect your brands. we have no personal or financial interest in ICM Registry and are not connected in any way to their organization.
I find it difficult to believe & won't believe it til I see an official letter of opposition sent to Icann from a representative of Moniker.

I understand that most registrars benifit & profit financially from sales of any extension & .XXX is no different.

I also understand that it is difficult for a registrar such as Moniker to even consider public opposition solely because of the nature of business itself. If it lines the pockets, then it's good for business, however, it's only good for Moniker's business & not the customers they have served all these years.

If ANY registrar was to oppose this, I truly believed that Moniker would step up & take a stand against it solely due to the long term relationships built within this industry. There are both personal & business relationships between Moniker & Moniker staff & the online adult entertainment industry.

Moniker has deep roots within this industry & I expected that Moniker would take an official stand against this proposal & I am appalled by the silence & lack of action on their part.

Simply stating that Moniker does not support it is not sufficient. If Moniker does not support it, then Moniker should stand with and alongside the industry it serves.


Of course Moniker would offer .XXX if it were available, however, think about the potential damage many of your customers may suffer, & in reality you'll lose those customers should their business' take a dramatic loss.


I understand that as a registrar, any new extension means new sales & new product to offer & there is financial benifit, but we're not talking about godaddy or enom or any standard registrar, we're discussing Moniker whom is part of this industry.

I strongly urge Moniker to take a public opposition to this. I truly believe the very high majority of your customers within this industry would applaud moniker for taking that step & that it would strengthen the existing relationships between you and your clients & build yet further trust among the industry & create new business relationships for you.

If Moniker has sent in formal opposition to Icann, forgive me, I haven't seen it.

lastly, reading the below quote leaves so much room for interpretation & imaginations can often wonder & speculate.


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Let us start with the .XXX panel at Internext. The panel was supposed to be set up on an even scale ? two pro, two con, and two middle ground. On the ?pro side? there were the two proponents of .XXX, Mr. Hendeles and Mr.Lawley. On the ?con side? there was Connor Young of YNOT and Tom Hymes of the FSC. In the ?supposed? middle were Monte Cahn and Greg Piccionelli. Did I mention Hendeles and Lawley ?appointed? Piccionelli and Cahn as the middle ground? I?m told they wouldn?t attend the seminar unless these two were on the panel. This also meant a previously chosen panel member was left off the seminar.

I also say ?supposed? because it seemed that Mr. Moniker himself, Monte Cahn, had more at stake financially in this than almost Lawley and Hendeles? I mean, where are you going to go to register these .XXX domains? Ahh yes!!! Moniker! Having Monte be neutral in this panel would be similar to having Donald Trump try and tell you real estate is not a profitable investment.
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Old 03-01-2007, 06:29 AM   #103
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Old 03-01-2007, 08:35 AM   #104
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thank mike, for bringing this to our attention. email sent.
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Old 03-01-2007, 08:46 AM   #105
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email sent ages ago, webmasters should have been on this in january

but theres still time get them in now!
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Old 03-01-2007, 09:12 AM   #106
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The entire way this was pushed is an insult to the intelligence of our industry.
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Old 03-01-2007, 09:45 AM   #107
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We ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL need to email, and perhaps also send a letter to ICANN, advising them of our disdain for .xxx, and show that Mr Lawley's contention that we (the termed "sponsored community") has support it is baloney.

PLEASE send in your opposition to .xxx NOWWWWWWWWWW!

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Old 03-01-2007, 09:57 AM   #108
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A "non-mandatory" xxx TLD would be opening....and paving...the way to major censorship of artistic expression.
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Old 03-01-2007, 09:59 AM   #109
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Old 03-01-2007, 10:11 AM   #110
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spacedog - the post you are referring to is more than 18 months old from Mike and we were not appointed to the panel by ICM. I volunteered to give a registrar's perspective. We do not appose or support the decision to introduce a new extension and I know of no registrar that would take such a position on supporting or apposing a new extension.

no one is forced to use any extension. you have the ability to register your domains in any extension you would like.
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Old 03-01-2007, 11:36 AM   #111
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Yo Quentin! how you doing? have I been missing you or have you been lying low?
Save me some time in Phoenix
I'm doing good, keeping busy with work/writing. I've been hitting fewer shows than I had in years past, and making shorter trips to the ones I do hit, so yeah - laying a bit low.

See you in Phoenix; I'm not speaking or moderating anything this time around (that I know of... sometimes I'm tapped as a last minute substitute for such things) so I should have plenty of time to talk.

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Old 03-01-2007, 12:02 PM   #112
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Programmers, make sure you're sending in opposition email(s) too!
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Old 03-01-2007, 12:19 PM   #113
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Old 03-01-2007, 01:03 PM   #114
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I know of no registrar that would take such a position on supporting or apposing a new extension.
Last time this proposal was on the table GoDaddy showed public opposition.
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Old 03-01-2007, 02:56 PM   #115
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Mike Hawk, thanks for starting this very crucial thread --- it seems to be getting a lot of needed emails sent to ICANN:-))))

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Old 03-01-2007, 04:51 PM   #116
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Old 03-01-2007, 04:53 PM   #117
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If .XXX passes, we'll all eventually be forced .. Get your head out of your wallet
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Old 03-01-2007, 05:31 PM   #118
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OMG, Its much serious matter.

What should I do? I had sent one email some 2-3 months back. Should I send more?
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Old 03-01-2007, 06:56 PM   #119
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OMG, Its much serious matter.

What should I do? I had sent one email some 2-3 months back. Should I send more?

YUP, you should again object, this time to counter ICM's claim of support from us so-called "Sponsored Community" folks/entities.

Perhaps saying something like "As a Member/Wemaster of the Sponsored Community, I am among the vast majority that wants .xxx PERMANENTLY DENIED", or something like that!

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Old 03-01-2007, 09:23 PM   #120
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Mike Hawk, thanks for starting this very crucial thread --- it seems to be getting a lot of needed emails sent to ICANN:-))))

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Old 03-01-2007, 09:47 PM   #121
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for what it is worth I just sent 1 email from every domain I have mail for. 6 emails sent all a little different subject / body so it is not obvious it is from the same person. Hopefully i can pick up some dead weight from some of the slackers here.

I also sent a nice long thought out one a few weeks back.
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Old 03-01-2007, 09:49 PM   #122
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Last time this proposal was on the table GoDaddy showed public opposition.
hmmm any reason why they oppose it? it is because they care about adult or because they think it will legitimize adult like many of the anti porn people think. Certainly they didn't oppose it because they didn't want to make millions from registrations.

So any reason why they opposed it ?
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Have YOU and ALL the people YOU know written an email to ICANN to denounce .xxx? Please!!!!
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Have YOU and ALL the people YOU know written an email to ICANN to denounce .xxx? Please!!!!
make sure to check your email as well, they will send you an authorization email back that you have to approve before your email will be received by them.. If your spam folder catches it and you are not expecting it your email will not get counted then.
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i sended email in the first time, when .XXX trying go through and now i writed other one

.XXX will not pass!
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Voicing our disapproval of .xxx helps to offset some of the biased bs being fed to ICANN about us "Sponsored Community" members being in support of .xxx.

Please get family members and everyone you can to email ICANN, too!
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Where are the spammers at Perfect Gonzo when you need them????
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Now what do you honestly think about people looking at porn when they are not of age yet? Your first porn experience poll
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Old 03-02-2007, 04:41 PM   #134
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Where are the spammers at Perfect Gonzo when you need them????
Yes and also where are all the "board whores" here in GFY claiming to "care about the biz" ...my favorite post the other day was "who is your favorite or most helpful person on GFY" ...I am still laughing about that one...

So helpful ....WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY...and why did not tell you about this since they are so fucking smart...and helpful....i will tell you why...most are so full of themselves and shit...its sad....but enough about that, that should motivate someone out of the board whore group to post up....for example where is Juicy when you need him?
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Old 03-02-2007, 04:54 PM   #135
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Yes and also where are all the "board whores" here in GFY claiming to "care about the biz" ...my favorite post the other day was "who is your favorite or most helpful person on GFY" ...I am still laughing about that one...

So helpful ....WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY...and why did not tell you about this since they are so fucking smart...and helpful....i will tell you why...most are so full of themselves and shit...its sad....but enough about that, that should motivate someone out of the board whore group to post up....for example where is Juicy when you need him?
Very well said. .xxx is just a scam for the rich to screw others into paying an extra buck.
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Yes and also where are all the "board whores" here in GFY claiming to "care about the biz" ...my favorite post the other day was "who is your favorite or most helpful person on GFY" ...I am still laughing about that one...

So helpful ....WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY...and why did not tell you about this since they are so fucking smart...and helpful....i will tell you why...most are so full of themselves and shit...its sad....but enough about that, that should motivate someone out of the board whore group to post up....for example where is Juicy when you need him?
you got a very good point
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Yes and also where are all the "board whores" here in GFY claiming to "care about the biz" ...my favorite post the other day was "who is your favorite or most helpful person on GFY" ...I am still laughing about that one...

So helpful ....WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY...and why did not tell you about this since they are so fucking smart...and helpful....i will tell you why...most are so full of themselves and shit...its sad....but enough about that, that should motivate someone out of the board whore group to post up....for example where is Juicy when you need him?
for what it was worth i started that thread, am not a board whore and was named in it a few times as someone who is helpful and i sent 6 emails in opposition to xxx yesterday from 6 different email address i own and also sent emails in the past.

but i understand what you saying, some people pretend to care and some people don't care at all and then there are the sig whores.
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you think someone who has 50K+ posts here could send a couple emails...

Maybe lenseman can set up something for them for every email they send they get +5 post count added. I bet that would get the emails going
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for what it was worth i started that thread, am not a board whore and was named in it a few times as someone who is helpful and i sent 6 emails in opposition to xxx yesterday from 6 different email address i own and also sent emails in the past.

but i understand what you saying, some people pretend to care and some people don't care at all and then there are the sig whores.
will76 you rock, i was just making a point,

So let me show you just how low .XXX will go.....amazing, i want to thank Tony404 for pointing this out...i guess when i see shit like this, i have to say we are pissing someone off...also who in our business would single out Mike South and Myself? Unless you were working or somehow connected with .XXX

Taken off the ICANN board... (and the asshat did not even spell my name right)

VINTON CERF & ICANN SUPPORT IRRESPONSIBLE WEBMASTERS?

* To: xxx-icm-agreement@xxxxxxxxx
* Subject: VINTON CERF & ICANN SUPPORT IRRESPONSIBLE WEBMASTERS?
* From: "Jeff Knows All" <jeffknowsall@xxxxxxxxxxx>
* Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:17:10 +0000

Dear Vinton Cerf and the ICANN Board:


What possible benefit could there be for a responsible successful adult webmaster to post their support for .xxx?

Let's consider what would happen if a responsible online adult company were to post their support for .xxx to the ICANN public comment board:

1. The FBI is guarranteed to add them to their list and move them relatively high up. Most of the successful adult webmasters have been operating quietly and successfully for many years now. Those companies have either made enough money to move Canada (where they operate with complete freedom) or moved to one of many islands putting them completely outside US jurisdiction. That leaves California as a pretty intelligent place for the Federal Bearau of Investigation to focus its efforts. Last I checked, the FBI has inspected 10 companies. Only two (2) passed without violations according to Special Agent Chuck Joyner. 80% success rate. That should make both Bush and the FRC very pleased.

2. Suffer the wrath of the famous GoFuckYourself.com board bloggers Mike Hawk and Mike South? Are those even their real names? I did some quick searches on these two characters on Google:

GOOGLE SEARCH OF MIKE SOUTH:
http://www.lukeisback.com/archives/a...tes/991126.htm


"Heather Jade claims Mike South took without a release, sold and posted without permission images sexually explicit images of her when she was underage. No charges were pressed. "The pictures were supposed to be sent to Penthouse. Because Mike South said that he had connections. And the other guy said that he was going to send them to Playboy. And that was it. That's all the pictures were supposed to be used for. So they could look at them and tell me if I was all right looking to be a Penthouse Pet or a Playboy whatever..." There were just two photographers, Mike South and another guy. They said they just wanted to take pictures because they were taking pictures of all the other girls there. And nobody else signed a model release. He was real nice... I didn't think that he'd take my pictures and blow them up all over the place. He assured me that those were for his own personal use [masturbation?], you know, for him. He has a whole portfolio of girls... And that was all he said that they were to be used for." MIKE SOUTH

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"i was the DJ, and played some major parties and clubs aroud town with a fake ID at the time. With a big bag of Cocaine and some money I walked into a little radio station at the time KROQ here in Pasadena." With a big bag of Cocaine and some money I walked into a little radio station at the time KROQ here in Pasadena, to buy ad time and get a club off the ground, later the DJ that did my spots, they hired him, then he became one of there top DJ"s...Richard Blade."

How did so many online adult companies become so self-confident? Clearly, they've been partying in LA for too long. My sense is that the conservative US government powers that be are just looking for an easy victory in the battle for public oppinion. It would seem to me, that child pornography and the harvesting of children for pornographic websites is an excellent target.

3. The opportunity cost of labeling every single webpage/website, putting up proper warning pages as oppossed to SPAMMING customers and creatively driving traffic would seem to be a much better investment of capital. However, if I don't have to label yet, why bother?

4. Unfortunately, I do not own shares in .xxx, nor do I have any traffic arrangement with the company. But I can assure you, were they to offer me shares to secure my domain names, I and every adult webmaster world-wide would be pre-registering.

Assuming ICM guarrantee's that I can pre-register my current inventory of domain names, I would support .xxx.

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Old 03-03-2007, 12:27 AM   #142
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who the fuck is this joker? Claims he's part of the community..

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00042.html

Some schmuck lawyer, probably on Lawley's payroll..

has a phone number too
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Old 03-03-2007, 12:30 AM   #143
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who the fuck is this joker? Claims he's part of the community..

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00042.html

Some schmuck lawyer, probably on Lawley's payroll..

has a phone number too
Looked up their site they do immigration law. lol

"At the law firm of Hackley & Serrone, P.A. we practice exclusively in the area of immigration law. We provide a full range of immigration services, with special emphasis on corporate visas. "
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2. Suffer the wrath of the famous GoFuckYourself.com board...
To the idiot that wrote that, or any idiot that supports .xxx if I ever found out you better believe i would be on your ass.



Someone spill the beans on what few people are backing .xxx please. I want to know what greedy mother fuckers are selling out so they can make a few more bucks.
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I sent another email.
didn't smokeyThebear make a script that can send thousands of emails automatically ?
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To the idiot that wrote that, or any idiot that supports .xxx if I ever found out you better believe i would be on your ass.



Someone spill the beans on what few people are backing .xxx please. I want to know what greedy mother fuckers are selling out so they can make a few more bucks.
ah, that's one of Lawley's fake nics trolling the Icann board
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Someone spill the beans on what few people are backing .xxx please. I want to know what greedy mother fuckers are selling out so they can make a few more bucks.
I do.
you gotta a problem with that , punk ?
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WTF!! GET OFF YOUR FAT LAZY ASS YOU FUCKING WANKERS.
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how many letters should one person write? does it really do any good for the same companies to write the same letters every time?
if you want to send more emails - send more emails from other email addresses, other domains
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Last time this proposal was on the table GoDaddy showed public opposition.
they showed public SUPPORT for .xxx
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