Well said...my fine friend!:thumbsup

I just sent a few emails.

*bump* for a good cause. :thumbsup

This is not true; if the minutes of ICANN's last board meeting are any indication, ICANN is not simply considering the latest rounds of commentary. They are, in fact, still trying to figure out:

(A) how much support the proposal has from within the adult industry
and
(B) whether what should matter is the relative amount of support vs. opposition, or whether it should be sufficient that ICM has demonstrated "significant" support for the proposal from within the "sponsoring community."

Also at issue, judging by the comments of some ICANN board members, is whether ICANN would be 'setting the bar too high,' so to speak, if they were to say that ICM had not demonstrated enough support from within the industry because such a large percentage of industry people are clearly against the proposal.

During the meeting, ICANN board member Susan Crawford “expressed the view that no group can demonstrate in advance that they will meet the interests and concerns of all members in their community and that this was an unrealistic expectation to place on any applicant,” adding that if such a test was applied to any sponsor group for a new sTLD, “none would ever be approved.”

In terms of whether they are considering only the latest rounds of commentary, at the meeting ICANN senior vice president Kurt Pritz even acknowledged that “ICANN had not asked ICM specifically about their level of support since the Board's decision on .XXX in June 2005.”

To me, this statement strongly suggests that ICANN is still looking at the expressions of support/opposition from a historical standpoint, and not just considering the feedback concerning the latest iterations of ICM's contract.

Pritz made the comment about not having asked ICM about community support since 2005 after ICANN board member John Jeffrey spoke at the board meeting and "asked the board to consider a decision-making process on the pending issues along the following three issue areas: 1) community review and public comment of the agreement and the sufficiency of the proposed agreement; 2) the status of advice from the Government Advisory Committee (GAC) and a clarification of the letter from the GAC Chair and Chair-Elect, and whether additional public policy advice had been received or was expected following the Wellington Communique; and 3) how ICM measures up against the RFP criteria,” according to the minutes of the Feb 12 board meeting.

For the full report on the ICANN Feb 12 meeting, go here.

For a slightly abridged version (which omits the non-.xxx issues covered at the meeting), you can check out the piece I wrote for YNOT.

- Q.

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Email sent. :thumbsup

Great article - schooling.

How cute..
A business to protect? from what? screwing over most people in this business?
Sounds like you must have a business to protect..

Take a vote and see how many want the names of those wanting to, "protect their business" .. while ruining others.. You forgot that part.. I guess they're all halfwits too...

By all means.. let's not go off half cocked and reveal these poor guys.. because we all know they'll, "give the go ahead" in plenty of time to do something about it...

What a joke...

I guess everyone else's business isn't important enough to protect ...

Moniker and .xxx
 

spacedog - moniker does not support .xxx...we support our customers and if the extension gets approved, we will carry it like all other extensions and provide it to our customers. we do not have any personal or financial benefit to support any extension other than offering it to our clients as an option to register and protect your brands. we have no personal or financial interest in ICM Registry and are not connected in any way to their organization.

Mike Hawk - great seeing you in Panama...great time!

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Quentin...............so good to see you buddy....looking forward to Phoenix...thanks for the information..you were there standing before Lawley in Los Angeles asking the "hard questions" i saw it, he did not and could not answer your questions...

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Moniker man, it was good seeing you in Panama as well...i know you are in favor of protection of our business ...and would only want the "good" for us, you have said this to my face and i believe you.

At the end of the day its up to our community to protect what is ours and police those who come to try and hurt us or take us a direction we dont want to go...that is why this information is so important posted up on this board, and to take action , each and every person no matter how small or large in this world....even if you dont think it matters ..it does.

People do read and i do believe that most will when the time is right do the right thing to make sure nothing like this ever happens, we beat it the first time no reason i can see why we cant beat this guy again...and hopefuly he goes away and tries to do something somewhere else to some other group other than ours. :2 cents:

email sent

In my generally candid and tactless way, let me express my feelings on the subject -

Fuck .xxx and any person or organization who supports it.

Yeah, wish I could have stayed longer for the Hollywood show - it just happened to be bad timing for me.

I'm definitely looking forward to the Phoenix Forum; my favorite of the shows, perhaps in part because it's the only one that doesn't involve flying/airports....

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No SUGAR COATING for our man Z on this issue....tell us how you really feel now buddy! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Yo Quentin! how you doing? have I been missing you or have you been lying low?
Save me some time in Phoenix

ok, I'll dumb it down for you.
You do not release a list like that until you're 100% sure its accurate and 100% sure what your legal position would be.

This is the problem with this board. You've got surfers pretending to be part of the community shooting their mouth off about things they can't begin to understand.

Oh darn.. I was wanting someone to just make up some names and throw em out there.... Talk about a halfwit...

And I've been pretending since 96.. and shall continue to do so.. It's fun pretending to know things, but you already know that.. :)

Now... make up your mind... Release it when you know it's accurate or when given the go ahead? Bein' a little bit wishy washy there arntcha? :)

Now.. I must continue surfing...

I find it difficult to believe & won't believe it til I see an official letter of opposition sent to Icann from a representative of Moniker.

I understand that most registrars benifit & profit financially from sales of any extension & .XXX is no different.

I also understand that it is difficult for a registrar such as Moniker to even consider public opposition solely because of the nature of business itself. If it lines the pockets, then it's good for business, however, it's only good for Moniker's business & not the customers they have served all these years.

If ANY registrar was to oppose this, I truly believed that Moniker would step up & take a stand against it solely due to the long term relationships built within this industry. There are both personal & business relationships between Moniker & Moniker staff & the online adult entertainment industry.

Moniker has deep roots within this industry & I expected that Moniker would take an official stand against this proposal & I am appalled by the silence & lack of action on their part.

Simply stating that Moniker does not support it is not sufficient. If Moniker does not support it, then Moniker should stand with and alongside the industry it serves.


Of course Moniker would offer .XXX if it were available, however, think about the potential damage many of your customers may suffer, & in reality you'll lose those customers should their business' take a dramatic loss.


I understand that as a registrar, any new extension means new sales & new product to offer & there is financial benifit, but we're not talking about godaddy or enom or any standard registrar, we're discussing Moniker whom is part of this industry.

I strongly urge Moniker to take a public opposition to this. I truly believe the very high majority of your customers within this industry would applaud moniker for taking that step & that it would strengthen the existing relationships between you and your clients & build yet further trust among the industry & create new business relationships for you.

If Moniker has sent in formal opposition to Icann, forgive me, I haven't seen it.

lastly, reading the below quote leaves so much room for interpretation & imaginations can often wonder & speculate.

Bump this thread :)

thank mike, for bringing this to our attention. email sent.

email sent ages ago, webmasters should have been on this in january

but theres still time get them in now!

The entire way this was pushed is an insult to the intelligence of our industry.

We ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL need to email, and perhaps also send a letter to ICANN, advising them of our disdain for .xxx, and show that Mr Lawley's contention that we (the termed "sponsored community") has support it is baloney.

PLEASE send in your opposition to .xxx NOWWWWWWWWWW!

Thanks,

Dave Cummings

A "non-mandatory" xxx TLD would be opening....and paving...the way to major censorship of artistic expression.

yep, on it ;)

spacedog - the post you are referring to is more than 18 months old from Mike and we were not appointed to the panel by ICM. I volunteered to give a registrar's perspective. We do not appose or support the decision to introduce a new extension and I know of no registrar that would take such a position on supporting or apposing a new extension.

no one is forced to use any extension. you have the ability to register your domains in any extension you would like.

I'm doing good, keeping busy with work/writing. I've been hitting fewer shows than I had in years past, and making shorter trips to the ones I do hit, so yeah - laying a bit low.

See you in Phoenix; I'm not speaking or moderating anything this time around (that I know of... sometimes I'm tapped as a last minute substitute for such things) so I should have plenty of time to talk.

- Q.

Programmers, make sure you're sending in opposition email(s) too! :)

Email sent.

Last time this proposal was on the table GoDaddy showed public opposition.

Mike Hawk, thanks for starting this very crucial thread --- it seems to be getting a lot of needed emails sent to ICANN:-))))

Dave

send more e-mails !

If .XXX passes, we'll all eventually be forced .. Get your head out of your wallet

OMG, Its much serious matter.

What should I do? I had sent one email some 2-3 months back. Should I send more?

YUP, you should again object, this time to counter ICM's claim of support from us so-called "Sponsored Community" folks/entities.

Perhaps saying something like "As a Member/Wemaster of the Sponsored Community, I am among the vast majority that wants .xxx PERMANENTLY DENIED", or something like that!

Dave

Thanks Dave....:thumbsup