No.


That list will be posted, not by me , but i know who has the whole list ...once he gets the go ahead ..up it goes. :helpme

I'd post the list in a friggen heartbeat if I had it.

Email sent :thumbsup

With any luck the .xxx cockroach will be crushed for good this time!

He has to have 'the go ahead'? No mind of his own?

So it'll be, "Well guys, here's the list that made it happen... Sorry I waited til it was too late."

Thanks :thumbsup

EAT SHIT LAWLEY............

thx for the info, email sent!

E-mail sent. Fuck .XXX !

i dont get it :(
i have done all i can now ... i can now just sit back and watch this unfold into a cluster fuck and the down fall of our industry
:(

i've been saying this for a while but no body cares, who's got textDreams icq ? it won't hurt me to ask him.....this is good cause for gfy too

Back to the top you go :winkwink:

sent in my email. frick these fools

Multiple emails from our office sent.

I get the feeling this is a bug we're gonna keep having to squash throughout time... but squash it we shall.

sent another email now.

e-mail was sent. I will donate money, as soon as I get some back in epass.

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"Many in the adult entertainment industry will purchase and park addresses, realizing no benefit to this added expense. "

THEY SHOULDNT FUCKIN PARK THEN SHOULD THEY - TOUGH FUCKING SHIT.

Stir it up... is a song by Bob Marley.

If any of you are on the fence about this...then take a good, close look at who is responsible for this in the first place....

READ THIS ARTICLE

dear halfwit, if you had a business to protect, you'd have a better understanding of waiting for a go ahead. you don't go off half cocked with something like that. (well, unless you're a "scootermuze")

great article, Bob. A really concise description of the situation.

send those emails people [email protected]

Email sent

I will also send a mail to all the webmaster emails i have ( 1000's ) from all my sites.

JUST SAY NO

For those who are lazy and dont want to click, here it is for you ....Ynot Bob was the very first person to hip me up to the bullshit of this .XXX deal.....after that convo its been on my mind ever since...thanks Bob for enlightenment!
Now read the what the man has to say its fucking great:

Dot XXX: Do You Think Adult Webmasters Are Stupid?
by YNOTBob
Internext, Miami, 2005? I made it back and consider this year to be, once again, another great show. There were the usual complaints you get from any show. Lower attendance, too expensive, blah blah blah. My opinion is: until you put together a large event such as this, don?t bitch about it. You don?t like it, don?t attend ? or better yet, develop your own large scale convention. Kudos and props to AVN for providing yet another professional arena where adult webmasters could learn and network.

Myopic and minority complaints on this year?s Internext can be duly ignored. There was a panel which should have been attended by every webmaster at Internext. This seminar alone paid for my entire expense list for the week. Those of you who chose to sleep in, were hung-over, or simply did not attend, will have nothing to complain about if you missed the .XXX seminar. If you had attended, you?d know how this issue could shape up to destroy the flow of our industry?s growth. This should have been a mandatory seminar?get your pass, go to this seminar, learn, now fight back.

As monster as the topic of .XXX is, and how it will affect our industry, I was shocked there were probably less than 100 people in attendance. Here is the true threat to our industry. Forget about Acacia, 2257, Visa regulations, the Protect Act, whatever? think thoughts of .XXX and how your life will be drastically changed if this goes through.

But before I get to the emails stacking up, before I return any calls or messages, I still have one question left. This question is eating and burning at me in a way I haven?t felt since the acquittal of O.J. Simpson?

My question, and it is a simple one, is this: Jason Hendeles and Stuart Lawley, the two visible promoters and founders of the .XXX initiative, do you think adult webmasters are stupid?

Yeah I know, such a simple question. Yet one which has gone unanswered in all conversations with the .XXX peeps? so once again, do you gentlemen think adult webmasters are stupid?

Let us start with the .XXX panel at Internext. The panel was supposed to be set up on an even scale ? two pro, two con, and two middle ground. On the ?pro side? there were the two proponents of .XXX, Mr. Hendeles and Mr.Lawley. On the ?con side? there was Connor Young of YNOT and Tom Hymes of the FSC. In the ?supposed? middle were Monte Cahn and Greg Piccionelli. Did I mention Hendeles and Lawley ?appointed? Piccionelli and Cahn as the middle ground? I?m told they wouldn?t attend the seminar unless these two were on the panel. This also meant a previously chosen panel member was left off the seminar.

I also say ?supposed? because it seemed that Mr. Moniker himself, Monte Cahn, had more at stake financially in this than almost Lawley and Hendeles? I mean, where are you going to go to register these .XXX domains? Ahh yes!!! Moniker! Having Monte be neutral in this panel would be similar to having Donald Trump try and tell you real estate is not a profitable investment.

Did I fail to mention that the moderator, Fred Lane, originally had his travel expenses covered by ICM Registry until AVN found out, stepped up and picked up the tab? Shoot, I have moderated many, many panels, and have never ever been paid for this service. In all honesty though, Fred did a good job of being neutral. But what if the panel got out of hand? Where would his loyalties be? Fortunately that problem never came up.

So as you can see, as for having an even panel, it was actually two against four (or five, depending on how you score Lane). Nice work being impartial and fair. There is nothing like bringing in some ringers and stacking the panel. Shame on Hendeles and Lawley for creating these odds. Even more so, shame on them for thinking the odds were now in their favor. With Tom Hymes and Connor Young on our side, the odds were still on the side of the ?good guys.? Tom Hymes and Connor Young, faced with a moral battle and one with the potential to literally bring down our industry, handled two against five with relative ease.

Part 2 YNOT Bob
So, back to my question, do you gentlemen feel adult webmasters are stupid?

Reason number one? Mr. Hendeles, in his opening statement, said there has ?never been any money paid or offered? to anybody in the adult internet to garner support for their .XXX proposal. Well, what about Jonathan Silverstein, who openly admitted to being paid money by ICM Registry to publicly arouse support for .XXX? What about the Free Speech Coalition, which turned down a ?cut? of every domain purchased because it was concerned about the Free Speech implications of .XXX? Nice work Hendeles, you can?t even keep to the truth right in a prepared opening document. Do you think adult webmasters are stupid?

Reason number two (and this one is almost a no-brainer)? Mr. Hendeles stated .XXX will protect children from child pornography. These words shouldn?t even be mentioned with .XXX. They are alarmist, and very irresponsible. .XXX will not, and cannot stop child pornography. And last time I checked the adult internet does not support, nor ever has supported child pornography. I have been in this industry a long, long time, and have met literally thousands of adult webmasters, and I can count the ?child pornographers? I have met on one finger. Also, how in the world will this actually help keep children from accessing porn? I can go into the details of this, but there is existing free software which can accomplish all this without the threat of exclusion and restriction that comes with the .XXX mantra.

Lets talk about reason number three? the proponents of .XXX on the panel tried to soften the blow of the reality of .XXX by stating nobody is being forced into purchasing these domains, and currently this is a ?voluntary? domain. Do you really think adult webmasters are stupid? Let us say you have been building up your brand and URL for years. You have a solid income and invested your valuable time and hard earned money in the growth of your business in the adult marketplace. Now there is another domain extension available, specifically, yet voluntarily, for adult traffic. Are you going to take the chance that someone else will grab it and capitalize on your .com efforts? Or will you buy the domain? You will buy the domain. So the ?voluntary? nature of this beast sounds more like extortion?buy your correlating domain, or someone else will make money off your brand. Do you think adult webmasters are stupid enough to think this is actually voluntary?

Let?s chit chat a bit about reason number four? there will be a ?Board of Directors? to oversee the development and regulations of .XXX domains. Hendeles and Lawley stated this board will have two members from the adult market, a member from a free speech group, ICM Registry, themselves, two from child advocacy/family groups, and one from some other commercial organization. I don?t know about you, but would you want your livelihood to be represented by a minority two seats? What if the ?majority? decide their personal family values are more important than adult internet values? For example, they could determine, in order to perpetuate the family in their ?world,? all homosexuality is a ?sin? and ?anti-family,? so now no gay sites are allowed on .XXX domains. Bye bye gay.xxx sites. By the way, did you notice the IFFOR board would be stacked 2 v 5? Please see seminar summary above? 2 v 5. Nice coincidence, huh?

Couple more things to think about here. When ICM was asked during the seminar which ?free speech groups? were in support of .XXX, they failed to name any groups but actually named a lawyer on their payroll as a supporter. The Free Speech Coalition, the actual free speech organization which is already fighting battles for us, is not on the support side here. If .XXX is in our industry?s best interest then let?s have this IFFOR board weighed in favor of our industry. If this is for the adult internet then why not elect board members from within our industry, who have been voted upon by our industry?s participants? Why only two of us representing tens of thousands of webmasters and billions of dollars? The numbers here are just not making sense, so I ask again, do you think adult webmasters are stupid?

Stating to ICANN that ?free speech groups? are in support of .XXX, then finally revealing that these ?groups? are actually lawyers on your payroll, is deceptive, sneaky, and very shady.

Lawley also stated he has traveled the world and spoken to many leaders of the adult internet seeking input on the .XXX. Of course he hasn?t been able to provide these names, or spoken to anyone at YNOT. Once again, do you really think webmasters are stupid?

The funniest yet saddest part of the entire seminar was when it was asked why we should hand to Hendeles and Lawley control of our livelihoods. They said we needed to ?trust? them.

Let?s recap? so far Hendeles has been caught lying in his opening statement, has stacked a panel in his favor, has developed the organization to support .XXX without proper adult industry participation, has carelessly and irresponsibly used ?child pornography? as an emotional catalyst to promote his domains, and finally, has been caught talking with a tongue more forked than George Bush?s during a State of the Union address. Excuse me for not blindly following their flute to the edge of the cliff and over to our death.

Just the simple precept that we have to ?trust? them should send of warning flares that rival a fourth of July celebration. At the expense of our entire industry, and for the benefit of padding a few very, very deep pockets, the .XXX argument simply crumbled at the hands of Lawley and Hendeles. Watching their porous argument in favor of .XXX unfold to serious, intelligent, and concerned webmasters was like watching an infant play poker against Chris Moneymaker.

So for those of you who were bitching about the attendance, for those of you who felt this show was too expensive, but who missed the .XXX seminar, you can increase your complaints for next year when they will be more valid. Picture a world where .XXX is approved and coerced. How many of you are prepared for the changes this could bring? How many of you are ready to abide by the rules of an IFFOR Board, where your voice is a minority? How many of you can survive redevelopment of branding and traffic? How will you do it? Are you smart enough to survive? Or are Jason Hendeles and Stuart Lawley right to treat us like we?re stupid?


YNOTBob is President of YNOT Payment, LTD.

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ADG Webmaster

Just sent my response and attached the letter I sent recenly to these assholes in case they didnt take the time to read it. Hopefully they wont toss them in the waste can.
Waiting for confirmation



and once again
Fuck Stuart Lawley and His Band Of Merry Men..................

I fucking knew Moniker was a supporter.. Fucking knew it..

Thanks for posting Ynot.. cleared up alot for me & now everybody can see.

email has been sent.

this truly is a time that we all must lay down our ego's and differences - realizing that what we currently enjoy, may be taken away. There is an assumption happening that we are in favor of this, and the lack of participation on behalf of webmasters to voice their disapproval only serves to benefit those who want to bring xxx into being.

Silence and lack of action now is the most dangerous action we can take.

Silence to them means your agreement to xxx, and leaving it in the hands of a few outspoken warriors is a bloodbath for them. No soldier should fight without the support of the people they are fighting for.

good Job Mike.... letter sent

Thanks for posting this MikeHawk. :thumbsup
I learned more about the nefarious ways of this scum and his good ole buddies, who are trying to monetarily benefit from fucking the adult industry over.

I never saw this article before and it was good awakening for me to see all the "RATS" that have stacked the deck, lied, and cheated or what ever they had to do to get webmasters to "Trust Them". Since they have already lied, cheated and sold everyone a pile of horseshit and window dressing to get where they are now, then I guess this is a good sign of how credible the whole group is. They can not be trusted, no matter what. Once a lying, cheating piece of "Rat Shit", always one......

I won't be the first to say it. If anyone mentions the words "Trust Me"....I am long gone. These are the words of a well trained CROOK.

Lawley Doesn't care about Safety of Children....all he cares about is lining his Fat ass pockets with the money from an industry he will never have anything to do with.


Lawley = Human Garbage

Very well stated...............:thumbsup

Well said...my fine friend!:thumbsup

I just sent a few emails.

*bump* for a good cause. :thumbsup

This is not true; if the minutes of ICANN's last board meeting are any indication, ICANN is not simply considering the latest rounds of commentary. They are, in fact, still trying to figure out:

(A) how much support the proposal has from within the adult industry
and
(B) whether what should matter is the relative amount of support vs. opposition, or whether it should be sufficient that ICM has demonstrated "significant" support for the proposal from within the "sponsoring community."

Also at issue, judging by the comments of some ICANN board members, is whether ICANN would be 'setting the bar too high,' so to speak, if they were to say that ICM had not demonstrated enough support from within the industry because such a large percentage of industry people are clearly against the proposal.

During the meeting, ICANN board member Susan Crawford “expressed the view that no group can demonstrate in advance that they will meet the interests and concerns of all members in their community and that this was an unrealistic expectation to place on any applicant,” adding that if such a test was applied to any sponsor group for a new sTLD, “none would ever be approved.”

In terms of whether they are considering only the latest rounds of commentary, at the meeting ICANN senior vice president Kurt Pritz even acknowledged that “ICANN had not asked ICM specifically about their level of support since the Board's decision on .XXX in June 2005.”

To me, this statement strongly suggests that ICANN is still looking at the expressions of support/opposition from a historical standpoint, and not just considering the feedback concerning the latest iterations of ICM's contract.

Pritz made the comment about not having asked ICM about community support since 2005 after ICANN board member John Jeffrey spoke at the board meeting and "asked the board to consider a decision-making process on the pending issues along the following three issue areas: 1) community review and public comment of the agreement and the sufficiency of the proposed agreement; 2) the status of advice from the Government Advisory Committee (GAC) and a clarification of the letter from the GAC Chair and Chair-Elect, and whether additional public policy advice had been received or was expected following the Wellington Communique; and 3) how ICM measures up against the RFP criteria,” according to the minutes of the Feb 12 board meeting.

For the full report on the ICANN Feb 12 meeting, go here.

For a slightly abridged version (which omits the non-.xxx issues covered at the meeting), you can check out the piece I wrote for YNOT.

- Q.

bump this thread

Email sent. :thumbsup

Great article - schooling.

How cute..
A business to protect? from what? screwing over most people in this business?
Sounds like you must have a business to protect..

Take a vote and see how many want the names of those wanting to, "protect their business" .. while ruining others.. You forgot that part.. I guess they're all halfwits too...

By all means.. let's not go off half cocked and reveal these poor guys.. because we all know they'll, "give the go ahead" in plenty of time to do something about it...

What a joke...

I guess everyone else's business isn't important enough to protect ...

Moniker and .xxx
 

spacedog - moniker does not support .xxx...we support our customers and if the extension gets approved, we will carry it like all other extensions and provide it to our customers. we do not have any personal or financial benefit to support any extension other than offering it to our clients as an option to register and protect your brands. we have no personal or financial interest in ICM Registry and are not connected in any way to their organization.

Mike Hawk - great seeing you in Panama...great time!

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Quentin...............so good to see you buddy....looking forward to Phoenix...thanks for the information..you were there standing before Lawley in Los Angeles asking the "hard questions" i saw it, he did not and could not answer your questions...

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Moniker man, it was good seeing you in Panama as well...i know you are in favor of protection of our business ...and would only want the "good" for us, you have said this to my face and i believe you.

At the end of the day its up to our community to protect what is ours and police those who come to try and hurt us or take us a direction we dont want to go...that is why this information is so important posted up on this board, and to take action , each and every person no matter how small or large in this world....even if you dont think it matters ..it does.

People do read and i do believe that most will when the time is right do the right thing to make sure nothing like this ever happens, we beat it the first time no reason i can see why we cant beat this guy again...and hopefuly he goes away and tries to do something somewhere else to some other group other than ours. :2 cents:

email sent

In my generally candid and tactless way, let me express my feelings on the subject -

Fuck .xxx and any person or organization who supports it.

Yeah, wish I could have stayed longer for the Hollywood show - it just happened to be bad timing for me.

I'm definitely looking forward to the Phoenix Forum; my favorite of the shows, perhaps in part because it's the only one that doesn't involve flying/airports....

bump bump

No SUGAR COATING for our man Z on this issue....tell us how you really feel now buddy! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Yo Quentin! how you doing? have I been missing you or have you been lying low?
Save me some time in Phoenix

ok, I'll dumb it down for you.
You do not release a list like that until you're 100% sure its accurate and 100% sure what your legal position would be.

This is the problem with this board. You've got surfers pretending to be part of the community shooting their mouth off about things they can't begin to understand.