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Old 02-27-2007, 10:03 AM   #251
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Great you researched it..
And great you felt a different way.
it has nothing to do with feeling.

you don't "feel" right. you either are or are not. Just like you were not right about Dick Cheney and his comments.
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Old 02-27-2007, 10:03 AM   #252
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Great you researched it..
And great you felt a different way.

Doesn't mean I can't come on here and state my opinion as well...

And as far as the so called paranoid sociopathy... Really unless you're an apathetic person in all respects of life.. we all have aspects of paranoid sociopathy about different things.. so again, that doesn't offend me all that much that you'd call me that.

C'est La Vie.
No one is going to think just like anyone else...
And all one can ask is that people spend time researching and educating.. and if interpretation on that research and education is different.. so be it.
Just to be clear, I didnt call you a paranoid sociopath - what I did say was that on this topic it is very easy to slip down that path.

I understand what you mean about research, information, analysis, interpretation, etc - these are all lofty pursuits. I also fully understand how two people can arrive at two different interpretations of things.

These kinds of things are fine - when dealing with the abstact (art, conceptual sciences, philosophy). So, if you want to speak of 9/11 in a philisophical or revisionist-history kind of way - then fine, that is a different discussion.

But, to engage in irrational, illogical discussions about reality- where the premises of arguments are factless assumptions or postdictive theories.. this is NOT a lofty pursuit - it is in fact a playground for masses.
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Old 02-27-2007, 10:20 AM   #253
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did anyone post the video yet? I have it here on my computer, and I must say its a smoking gun if there ever was one.
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Old 02-27-2007, 10:29 AM   #254
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did anyone post the video yet? I have it here on my computer, and I must say its a smoking gun if there ever was one.
ahhh post it?

I don't think it's a conspiracy. I think the real conspiracy is why the US government failed to act when they got the tips that this might, and will in a short time, happen.

I believe Rice just nodded saying "yes massa", put it in her desk nad went back to work trying to be the first black woman republican president.

Anyone with two brain cells would have taken intelligence that something like planes hitting the same buildings that have been targets before with some interest.

If that happened in Canada, the politician wouldn't be able to show their face on our streets.

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did anyone post the video yet? I have it here on my computer, and I must say its a smoking gun if there ever was one.
Lets see it
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Old 02-27-2007, 10:36 AM   #256
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Why would I ignore you? It's fun to watch you spin your crazy web of nonsense. It's at least entertaining. No we probably wouldn't get along well in person because I'm fond of telling people like you to shut the fuck up.

Don't like pitbulls and I have 3 Rottweilers. Nicest dogs you'd ever meet, even though some of them were rescued from shelters. I'm not surprised you wouldn't know much about the breed and are probably frightened by them, it hardly ever comes up on the democratic underground.

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Old 02-27-2007, 11:38 AM   #259
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if you made a list of the errors and mistakes that were made that day by reporters, it would crash this server. doesn't prove anything other than the fact that people were reporting on total chaos.

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Old 02-27-2007, 12:02 PM   #260
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Idiot, please respond to my post.

You without any proof make statements like its for an untrained pilot not possible to fly into the Pentagon without hitting the ground etc. without backing this up..
I didnt say it was impossible to fly a plane into the side of the Pentagon without hitting the ground first but I would like to hear a trained pilot say it WAS possible



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Then i tell you it is possible as ive seen it with my own eyes and you just laugh and say what kind of argument is that..
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So you were the ONLY guy who saw a plane hit the Pentagon. when did you see that then ??? i saw the only footage the security forces released and all you see is a puff of fireball and something a frame of footage could not catch as it was moving too fast...

It would be interesting to do a calculation based on a camera frame speed at 25 frames per second and the speed of a jetliner at 4-500 MPH to see if that very large plane SHOULD have been caught on camera.



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So exactly is your made up argument valid and my based on facts argument stupid? Please explain retard. I really love to hear an explanation.
no i made it all up and your countries official version of events is all true...

only a retard would believe that
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It would be interesting to do a calculation based on a camera frame speed at 25 frames per second and the speed of a jetliner at 4-500 MPH to see if that very large plane SHOULD have been caught on camera.
your assummtion of 25 frame / second video is amusing. most security camera footage is in the < 5 frames per second range. Also, a plane travelling at 500mph is 222 meters / second. So, given the field of view of the camera of about.. ohh.. less than 100 metres. A plane would pass through that camera's view is less than half a second.

just something to thing about. So unless the frame caught the EXACT moment of time when the plane was in it's field of view.. you wouldnt see much. But hey.. all this 'thinking' is making my brain hurt.
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did anyone post the video yet? I have it here on my computer, and I must say its a smoking gun if there ever was one.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc
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check out 9/11 in Plane Sight. it presents an interesting argument.
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The building was brought down, it did not fall down neatly on it's own. Simple.
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I remember hearing on 9/11/2001 that Building 7 was a controlled demolition.
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I didnt say it was impossible to fly a plane into the side of the Pentagon without hitting the ground first but I would like to hear a trained pilot say it WAS possible



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So you were the ONLY guy who saw a plane hit the Pentagon. when did you see that then ??? i saw the only footage the security forces released and all you see is a puff of fireball and something a frame of footage could not catch as it was moving too fast...

It would be interesting to do a calculation based on a camera frame speed at 25 frames per second and the speed of a jetliner at 4-500 MPH to see if that very large plane SHOULD have been caught on camera.





no i made it all up and your countries official version of events is all true...

only a retard would believe that

you goddamn retarded fucking moron. What part about a simulator dont you understand? Its real! Pilots use those multi million dollar simulators to learn how to fly and to improve their skills!!! Fucking Nasa, Boeing and every other big company uses those things. What part dont you understand about it? Are you mentally challenged or what? Stop pissing me off you idiot.

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The building was brought down, it did not fall down neatly on it's own. Simple.
Wow, really good arguments. You must be the smartest guy around here. Well done.

Fucking idiot. Kill yourself please.
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I didnt say it was impossible to fly a plane into the side of the Pentagon without hitting the ground first but I would like to hear a trained pilot say it WAS possible

So you were the ONLY guy who saw a plane hit the Pentagon. when did you see that then ??? i saw the only footage the security forces released and all you see is a puff of fireball and something a frame of footage could not catch as it was moving too fast...
Retard boy, did you even read my fucking post??? I can answer that for you. You didnt. You want arguments and facts, people give them for you and you are too fucking arrogant or too fucking retarded or both to fucking read them.

Go back a few pages and read what i said again. You really have no clue do you. Pathetic piece of shit. Please kill yourself as well. I dont want to breathe the same air as imbeciles as you.

"So you were the ONLY guy who saw a plane hit the Pentagon. when did you see that then ??? "

Where the fuck did you get this? Where? Please quote me you fucking retard.
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Old 03-01-2007, 08:13 AM   #271
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What gives you the right to say I don't have a heart...I knew someone who died in the Towers...
Open your eyes and look at the facts...you're being lied to...
Yeah, by the conspiracy nuts most likely.

I really dont understand why you conspiracy nuts dont understand why the rest of us have a hard time beliving you when you say stuff like "the greater the lie, the more people will belive" and then completely disregard any factuel evidence.

You do see the irony, right? :) It kinda looks like the whole "the greater the lie, the more people will belive" is your battle plan.

And btw, dont you mean Stalins old quote: "the more times a lie is told, the more people will belive it" ? Because that one makes sense, the other one is just wierd really. And illogical. Surely, "the lesser the lie, the more people will belive" makes more sense, since its less of a leap of faith to belive a tiny lie than a huge elaborate lie and thus more people are inclined to make that leap of faith (also because with a tiny lie, it probably dont really matter that much).

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There is a clip of President Bush quoted as saying that he watched on CNN the first plane hit BEFORE he entered the classroom...how is that possible?.. did he have advance knowledge of the attack?
I can explain that one. You see, President Bush is a complete idiot that thinks you can read a book upside-down. I wouldnt even get in the same car as him if he was driving because I honestly think it wouldnt take long before he mistook the brakes for the speeder.
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your assummtion of 25 frame / second video is amusing. most security camera footage is in the < 5 frames per second range. Also, a plane travelling at 500mph is 222 meters / second. So, given the field of view of the camera of about.. ohh.. less than 100 metres. A plane would pass through that camera's view is less than half a second.

just something to thing about. So unless the frame caught the EXACT moment of time when the plane was in it's field of view.. you wouldnt see much. But hey.. all this 'thinking' is making my brain hurt.
this is the pentagon...i think they have better security cameras then habib at the local corner store

dont think too hard about it..wouldnt want you to hurt your brain
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Phoenix, retard, please show us ANY evidence that the government was behind 9/11.
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Phoenix, retard, please show us ANY evidence that the government was behind 9/11.


phoenix balls in your court, all you have to do is just come up with one peice of evidence.

can you do it?
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phoenix balls in your court, all you have to do is just come up with one peice of evidence.

can you do it?
FUCK YOU TWO..ANYTHING SHOWN TO YOU WILL BE DISMISSED.

I DID MY RESEARCH..WHY DONT YOU GO LOOK AROUND YOURSELVES INSTEAD OF BELIEVEING WHATEVER cnn FUCKIN SPOONFEEDS YOU
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FUCK YOU TWO..ANYTHING SHOWN TO YOU WILL BE DISMISSED.

I DID MY RESEARCH..WHY DONT YOU GO LOOK AROUND YOURSELVES INSTEAD OF BELIEVEING WHATEVER cnn FUCKIN SPOONFEEDS YOU
Evidence can't be dismissed or it wouldnt be evidence retard. So please show if any evidence. You must have tons after all your 'research'.
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Phoenix, yoohoo, where's the evidence?
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FUCK YOU TWO..ANYTHING SHOWN TO YOU WILL BE DISMISSED.

I DID MY RESEARCH..WHY DONT YOU GO LOOK AROUND YOURSELVES INSTEAD OF BELIEVEING WHATEVER cnn FUCKIN SPOONFEEDS YOU
are you getting angry because your "theory" is just a shitty little theory and can be ripped through with logic, common sense and fact?

to be honest though i would rather watch a biased cnn, rather than a biassed google video made by some broke ass teenager desperate for cash
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you two dont seserve an answer...especially a there have been many trotted before you over the years


swallow up the story dig your head in the sand and be happy

why bother with the truth..it is obviously too much for you to handle
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Some broke ass teenager desperate for cash
You made that vid?
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you goddamn retarded fucking moron. What part about a simulator dont you understand? Its real! Pilots use those multi million dollar simulators to learn how to fly and to improve their skills!!! Fucking Nasa, Boeing and every other big company uses those things. What part dont you understand about it? Are you mentally challenged or what? Stop pissing me off you idiot.

Your going to have a heart attack silly ....calm yourself
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Your going to have a heart attack silly ....calm yourself
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Fucking moron

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You stupid fucking moron. You and the 1000's of idiots who keep using this as some kind of evidence.

Maybe a HUGE FUCKING PLANE entered the building before there was a fire???

Have you got any idea how much damage that plane did to the building?

God, you are pathetic.

What kind of fucking argument is this exactly? A fire?? How can you and all those other lunatics simply ignore that a huge plane took a few floors down. Including the steel and concrete?

You just think lets ignore it or the fire story wont make sense or what???

The next person who comes with this fire bullshit should be punched in the face. Fucking retards.
Fuckin A!! Franck you tell em !
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so it takes around 2 weeks to prepare for controlled demolition..
with the new vid, they show that the tower was a controlled demolition.

-OFFICIAL STORY: 9/11 building 7 collapse was uncontrollable due to structural damage due to falling debris

-Larry Silverstein said on video that building 7 was taken down with controlled demolition (which takes at least 2 weeks to prepare for)

-BBC, CNN report a full 26 MINUTES before it falls that the building has collapsed

-video show the reporter standing right in front of building 7 BEFORE it collapses reporting that it has just collapsed!!!

-Google, and DIGG.com try to censor and remove the videos from internet.
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Not sure why you assume such a sarcastic attitude towards me, when I didn't claim in my post to be versed in structural engineering, nor an expert in demolitions (as if that is required for the points which I posited).

If you wish to respond to the points I raised directly, here is what I wrote again, point by point:



Why, in a supposedly comprehensive report, is this pretty significant event - the collapse of a 47-story building, totally ignored?



Did a 767 aircraft laden with fuel crash into WTC 7? I think we can all agree, no that did not happen. There have been many other tall buildings made of steel with far more significant fires, that did not collapse.

Please show me an example of another steel reinforced building that has collapsed in the same manner as WTC 7 as a result of fire.



If WTC 7 collapsed primarily as a result of structural failure to one side of it (or a combination of that and a fire at the same levels as the structural failure), then it would stand to reason that it would collapse in the direction of the weakness.

Do a Google image search of "building collapse", and you'll see what I mean when the example features a building that collapsed as a result of damage to a particular face of the structure.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, nor do I proclaim to have absolute answers to what happened in this instance. I've simply read accounts and watched videos by experts and kooks on both sides of this issue. No one has absolutely convinced me one way or the other.

Therefore, don't be so quick to condemn me simply for asking/raising questions.

If you accept the Bush Administration argument that the U.S. had to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein due to the overwhelming evidence of WMDs, even though this was ultimately proven to be false, then I assume it will be impossible for you to question anything that is fed to you by the media manipulators representing similar positions on 9/11 or other issues, even though you decry people on the other side who even so much as question what happened.

One thing I do understand is PsyOp (Psychological Operations), in which extremist fringe elements (straw man tin foil puppets) are sometimes created in order to easily be discredited, drawing attention away from actual experts that have less sensational but more compelling arguments that challenge the staus quo.

The U.S. government/military would never engage in psychological ops though, would they?

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Well put...just the fact you are keeping an open mind is all that really matters....
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Old 03-01-2007, 05:26 PM   #287
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Wow, really good arguments. You must be the smartest guy around here. Well done.

Fucking idiot. Kill yourself please.
You are one of my favourite posters on GFY so I will take your harsh words with a smile. It took two planess to fly in to the world trade centers to bring them down. What brought down building 7 ? It looked pretty stable the next day. Like to hear your thoughts. Every other building around the world trade centers seemd ok. The owner of building 7 is on tape says the building was brought down. I wil find it if i have to.
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Old 03-01-2007, 05:27 PM   #288
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The problem is that everyone wanted to be the first to report a breaking story, and fact checking was exactly a priority that day.

There were a lot of reports that were taken back an hour or so later.
Still doesn't make any sense as to why the clip was "lost" in the BBC archives once this story broke...if it was just a mistake then why try and hide it?

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Once again, underachieving, insecure, chronically paraniod and irretrievably delusional pornographers gathered on Monday to construct insanely complex conspiracy theories from simple, easily explainable events. "What we are seeing is a growing trend where places like GFY, Warcraft and Second Life continue to play a larger and larger role in offering refuge to the socially retarded, delusional and the clinically paranoid, burger flippers turned gallery builders of the world" said one webmaster. He continued, "as the world becomes more tech savy, the worlds geeks and idiots have abandoned computer terminology, lingo and jargon as a means of putting others down, having found that furiously inventing and debating online conspiracy theories is a much better method for convincing themselves of their own superiority over others and building their own self image and self confidence... afterall, you can't disprove a negative so its 100% safe and effective. Particularly when you can just claim every fact that refutes previous facts is also part of a wider conspiracy".

"Well yeah, there's a problem with all this 9/11 conspiracy stuff" said the owner of twicefuckedteendonkeys.com, "and thats that we have to simultaneously argue that President Bush is an evil genius ruling the galaxy and one of the dumbest human beings in existence. "Its a conundrum for sure, But Hey" he exclaimed with great confidence and enthusiasm, "The great part about conspiracy theories is that you always have an out. Conspiracy theories are safe.. so when the subject of President Bush being a total retard, we can just retreat to the "illuminati" and wider global conspiracies and you can just continue on acting like everyones an idiot for not knowing that".....
Bush isn't a genius..he's a puppet...take a look at "From Freedom to Fascism" by Russo and then make up your mind as to who's actually running the show...conspiracy theories aside, the current political mindset stinks, and our freedoms are at stake.
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Old 03-01-2007, 05:46 PM   #289
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i use my math degree to look at the facts

FACT: BUsh mafia was about to go down
FACT: several offices ni building 7 were investigating them and collecting evidence on SEC violations involving them and some other people now for years.
FACT: buildings dont fall straight down on themselves unless they are forced to.
FACT: the buildings fell at g
FACT: bomb sniffing dogs were taken out of the WTC buildings about 6 months before they came down
FACT: huge sections of th ose buildings were shut down to all personell except private security and construction firms once the bomb sniffing dogs were out.

IT goes on and on.

This plan needs people to think it is ridiculous...they need them to think..no way they would kill their own people....no way they woul send a rocket into their own pentagon....blah blah..it is all bullshit...you are not dealing with people think the same way we do.

anyone in here...claiming to know all without doing an actual investigation themselves..is the real idiot.
I think the deeper you delve into this story the more interesting it becomes...
I just want people to open their minds to the possibility that there could have been a government conspiracy to instill fear and therefore promote their political agenda of a new world order....
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Old 03-01-2007, 06:11 PM   #290
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These threads always end in arguments and insults, always.

Whatever the truth, ANY investigation that refuses to follow the money trial is not a proper investigation. If you accept shit like this then you deserve to be lied to.
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Old 03-01-2007, 06:20 PM   #291
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yo madawg when you get online i need help with my home work(im not joking lol)
oh also
some of the building’s tenants in WTC 7

US Secret Service
NSA
CIA
IRS
BATF
SEC
NAIC Securities
Salomon Smith Barney
American Express Bank International
Standard Chartered Bank
Provident Financial Management
ITT Hartford Insurance Group
Federal Home Loan Bank

Thousands of sensitive files relating to some of the biggest financial scams in history — including Enron and WorldCom -- were stored in the offices of some of the building’s tenants
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Old 03-01-2007, 06:28 PM   #292
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... did you even read my fucking post???
Why would anybody want to read your insult loaded posts .... You were, are and will be a nobody for ever
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Old 03-01-2007, 06:57 PM   #293
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