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Old 02-26-2007, 08:40 PM   #101
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Here is the link of the video and the BBC reporter. Fast foward to about 15:00 and you will see the reporter saying the WTC 7 collapsed and its still standing.


http://www.esnips.com/doc/47ae2fd7-0...lding7Collapse

So he makes a mistake, so this was all planned out?

If you were old enough to remember back that far, and had watched the events of the day unfold, you would know there were a lot of errors made by reporters in the mayhem.
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Old 02-26-2007, 08:42 PM   #102
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Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door. written on the statue of liberty.
The Statue of Liberty is French dumbass. Obviously it would have a reference to weakness on it.
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I find it odd that nowhere in the government issued 9/11 Commission Report does it even mention that WTC 7 collapsed.

The fact that it pancaked, is extremely significant, inasmuch as the type of damage it sustained was far different from the damage to WTC 1 and 2.

If most of the damage was on one face of the building, and it collapsed as a result, then it would seem that the building should not collapse in the manner in which it did.

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So he makes a mistake, so this was all planned out?

If you were old enough to remember back that far, and had watched the events of the day unfold, you would know there were a lot of errors made by reporters in the mayhem.
The conspiracy theorists love to quote errors and things that were said in a situation of chaos.
Their favorite is the "pull it" from Silverstein, in their ear it means pull the building down, and not pull the people out.
Another one is "that was not a commercial plane" from a woman sreaming on the street, i.o.w. then it can't be commercial plane.

Man, that day was so crazy and confusing, that anything said also sounded crazy afterwards. I was watching a danish reporter when the first tower went down and he said "its coming lots of smoke out of it now"...

... it was confusing, but those conspiracy theorists crack me up
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The Statue of Liberty is French dumbass. Obviously it would have a reference to weakness on it.
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I find it odd that nowhere in the government issued 9/11 Commission Report does it even mention that WTC 7 collapsed.

The fact that it pancaked, is extremely significant, inasmuch as the type of damage it sustained was far different from the damage to WTC 1 and 2.

If most of the damage was on one face of the building, and it collapsed as a result, then it would seem that the building should not collapse in the manner in which it did.

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So what does that prove? That the journalists were confused like all of us?
Confused? How can you be looking at a building and be confused if it has collapsed or not?
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I find it odd that nowhere in the government issued 9/11 Commission Report does it even mention that WTC 7 collapsed.

The fact that it pancaked, is extremely significant, inasmuch as the type of damage it sustained was far different from the damage to WTC 1 and 2.

If most of the damage was on one face of the building, and it collapsed as a result, then it would seem that the building should not collapse in the manner in which it did.

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I think the report of wtc 7 was postponed.
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Old 02-26-2007, 08:56 PM   #109
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Confused? How can you be looking at a building and be confused if it has collapsed or not?
Because it was chaos?
Man, one of reporters from Denmark, located in N.Y., was crying live on TV, he did not know what to say. Yes, things were confused that day, even reporters are humans.

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Here is building 7 falling in less than 6 seconds.
NO ONE was confused because it fell and then the huge puff of smoke filled the air.



Remember reporters are only there to read the bluescreens thats what they get paid to do.
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What I dont get is why they would have gone though the INCREDIBLY elaberate charade of 9/11.
Absolute power is the answer.

People needed to die. America needed to feel venerable. They needed to creat a fear so great that it would change the course of the country and the mindset of the people. Job well done.

Stopping an "almost" disaster would not have done it. They planned this out, executed the plan, and now have absolute power. They even have power over foreign banking that they never had before, power to detain people without charge, indefinitely, power to do anything under the shield of "national security" and the power to wage wars, unjust or not, against anyone they see fit. And we all know there is big money in wars, huge money.
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Here is building 7 falling in less than 6 seconds.
NO ONE was confused because it fell and then the huge puff of smoke filled the air.



Remember reporters are only there to read the bluescreens thats what they get paid to do.
So you think BBC was involved in the attacks?
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Here is building 7 falling in less than 6 seconds.
NO ONE was confused because it fell and then the huge puff of smoke filled the air. Remember reporters are only there to read the bluescreens thats what they get paid to do.
Dude your little GIF proves nothing. You act like its the "smoking gun" of the greatest conspiracy made by the dumbest US government ever. Get fucking real who CARES about WTC 7 anyways? No one died there, I suppose since you think WTC 7 was "pulled" you think the twin were too? Where is your little GIFs for those? You are a serious fucking idiot there are people on this board that hate me for my views and likewise yet we can agree even on this subject.
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Absolute power is the answer. People needed to die. America needed to feel venerable. They needed to creat a fear so great that it would change the course of the country and the mindset of the people. Job well done. Stopping an "almost" disaster would not have done it. They planned this out, executed the plan, and now have absolute power. They even have power over foreign banking that they never had before, power to detain people without charge, indefinitely, power to do anything under the shield of "national security" and the power to wage wars, unjust or not, against anyone they see fit. And we all know there is big money in wars, huge money.
Where are the THOUSANDS OF CONSPIRATORS that would have to have been in on the conspiracy?
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someone called Alex Jones (infowars.com)

and said that there is video footage from the BBC archives reporting Building 7 had collapsed

but

in fact it would be another 23 minutes before it actually collapses

how did they know that Building 7 had collapsed before it actually came down.

once it was reported about the video, BBC remove it from their website...

but some people had already downloaded it, so we will see it in the next few days
I once stated I was going to take a shit but then realized that I wasn't quite ready.

someone alert the press.
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I once stated I was going to take a shit but then realized that I wasn't quite ready. someone alert the press.
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Dude your little GIF proves nothing.
This gif proves alot. No building falls that fast and that straight down on itself without the help from a controlled demolition. Period !!!

Watch any building fall on the discovery channel and they all fall the same way as that little gif you see.

Rigging a building to fall that fast and that perfect requires weeks of planing. So if you think that a bulding could fall that perfect because of a few fires then, I guess you will believe anything.
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HIGHLY UNLIKELY...Building 7 is the "Smoking Gun" and this footage, if I can get my hands on it, will be another piece to the puzzle that 9/11 was an inside job by the New World Order elite...
If you are serious, my best advice is to get professional help immediately.

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Confused? How can you be looking at a building and be confused if it has collapsed or not?
You don't think that maybe he did not know what building he was looking at?
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This gif proves alot. No building falls that fast and that straight down on itself without the help from a controlled demolition. Period !!!

Watch any building fall on the discovery channel and they all fall the same way as that little gif you see.

Rigging a building to fall that fast and that perfect requires weeks of planing. So if you think that a bulding could fall that perfect because of a few fires then, I guess you will believe anything.
how old were you on 9/11/2001?
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You don't think that maybe he did not know what building he was looking at?
And the people that typed in the info on the video, are they also confused? It clearly says on the video that Building 7 collapsed.

I think that the reporters are "not" on it. As some people might suggest. I just think that the propaganda machine jumped the gun a bit early and reported to the reporters what they already new was going to happen.

Reporters are just going to read what they are told.
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This gif proves alot. No building falls that fast and that straight down on itself without the help from a controlled demolition. Period !!!

Watch any building fall on the discovery channel and they all fall the same way as that little gif you see.

Rigging a building to fall that fast and that perfect requires weeks of planing. So if you think that a bulding could fall that perfect because of a few fires then, I guess you will believe anything.
It also requires a tin foil hat, because no proof of demolition (such as the telltale puffs of smoke and the sounds of hundreds or thousands of demolition charges) exists --except in the pea brains of needle dick losers living in their parents' basements.
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This gif proves alot. No building falls that fast and that straight down on itself without the help from a controlled demolition. Period !!!
When it falls, its usually down.
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And the people that typed in the info on the video, are they also confused? It clearly says on the video that Building 7 collapsed. I think that the reporters are "not" on it. As some people might suggest. I just think that the propaganda machine jumped the gun a bit early and reported to the reporters what they already new was going to happen. Reporters are just going to read what they are told.
Lol the illuminati! Guess what Im one of them and you have exposed us with your little GIF! ZOMG!
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When it falls, its usually down.
Do you understand what it takes to drop a building straight down? Drop a building so no other building around it gets damaged?
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Do you understand what it takes to drop a building straight down? Drop a building so no other building around it gets damaged?
They were all damaged.
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how old were you on 9/11/2001?
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This gif proves alot. No building falls that fast and that straight down on itself without the help from a controlled demolition. Period !!!

Watch any building fall on the discovery channel and they all fall the same way as that little gif you see.

Rigging a building to fall that fast and that perfect requires weeks of planing. So if you think that a bulding could fall that perfect because of a few fires then, I guess you will believe anything.
it falls even faster when u make the GIF from less frames. amazing.
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Hay, don't blame the messenger.

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Hay, don't blame the messenger.

So whats the point?????????????
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Hay, don't blame the messenger.

They did a mistake like millions of others. Case closed.
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I didn?t say the levee was supposed to hold back a force of Katrina magnitude. I said the levee was supposed to hold back floodwater - which it did, for a short while. Then the levees eventually fell. It?s just like the WTC falling due to impact strikes that were greater than were expected that the design called for.

I've always said that Building #7's collapse was fishy, but this in no way points to state sponsored terrorism.
But it does seem odd..I'm no structural engineer but having 3 huge concrete and steel buildings collapse due to fires does seem to defy logic...

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A few things first everyone knows Im no W lover. First off I dont think the current admin could pull off something like that and secondly lots of people would of had to be involved someone would of spoke by now.
People are speaking up but not a lot of people are listening...

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Why would I post otherwise? Certainly I may be sensationalizing some of my posts for shock effect. Point of the matter is if anyone believes 9/11 was a conspiracy the scale of which is simply statistically IMPOSSIBLE to pull off then they really need to do the rest of us on this planet a favor and quit breathing.
I'll get to the not breathing part right after we get to the bottom of why #7 was pulled...

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I just got out of the military in August, Went to Afghanistan twice, Iraq once... Most of the soldiers I was around voted democrat, thought Bin Ladden was from Iraq, and hated Bush...

As far as 9/11... the truth is better off as a secret. Because the shit I found out will make you so fucking depressed....
Sometimes the truth is harder to swallow than the lie..but to be free we have to know..we have to speak out...

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There were firemen reporting about a huge hole in building 7, caused by the towers when they felt down.

It cracks me up with these conspiracy theorists, because they only tell what they want you to hear.

Here is some debunking stuff for the interested:
http://911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html
Just to refresh your memory...do you remember the Oklahoma bombing?..do you remember the devastation the explosion wreaked on the facade??...BUT THE REST OF THE BUILDING WAS STILL STANDING after the smoke cleared!! Can you justify the huge hole in #7 with it's eventual collapse..just doesn't add up.

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sure i feel free.

why would i feel afraid? my life hasn't changed one bit since 9/11. not one thing is different in my life after Bush or 9/11. the only difference is that i have to take my shoes off to get through security when boarding a plane. other than that, i wake up, i work, i go to the gym, i go out with my wife and i still do all the same things i did on 9/10.

you're not only very paranoid.. you're delusional.

there is one huge flaw in your parting quote... our government is set up so "absolute power" is not in anyones hands. no degree of paranoia on your part will change that fact. no degree of paranoia changes the fact that there are 3 branches of government and an adequate system of checks and balances that have worked so well for 3 centuries, that there has never been a need to change it... and so well that much of the western and developed world has tried to emulate it.
The Founding Fathers are probably spinning in their graves with what has happened to this beloved nation...Land of the Free??...The checks and balances you talk about are illusionary...just look at the last 2 elections...stolen by W and not a peep was heard...

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Here is the link of the video and the BBC reporter. Fast foward to about 15:00 and you will see the reporter saying the WTC 7 collapsed and its still standing.


http://www.esnips.com/doc/47ae2fd7-0...lding7Collapse
Thanks for finding the video..good to see it as I thought the BBC had erased it from their archives..
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Absolute power is the answer.

People needed to die. America needed to feel venerable. They needed to creat a fear so great that it would change the course of the country and the mindset of the people. Job well done.

Stopping an "almost" disaster would not have done it. They planned this out, executed the plan, and now have absolute power. They even have power over foreign banking that they never had before, power to detain people without charge, indefinitely, power to do anything under the shield of "national security" and the power to wage wars, unjust or not, against anyone they see fit. And we all know there is big money in wars, huge money.
$$$..couldn't have said it better myself!
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This gif proves alot. No building falls that fast and that straight down on itself without the help from a controlled demolition. Period !!!

Watch any building fall on the discovery channel and they all fall the same way as that little gif you see.

Rigging a building to fall that fast and that perfect requires weeks of planing. So if you think that a bulding could fall that perfect because of a few fires then, I guess you will believe anything.
Right on man!
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Just to refresh your memory...do you remember the Oklahoma bombing?..do you remember the devastation the explosion wreaked on the facade??...BUT THE REST OF THE BUILDING WAS STILL STANDING after the smoke cleared!! Can you justify the huge hole in #7 with it's eventual collapse..just doesn't add up.
Don't compare. I think you should read the NIST report:
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/WTC%20Part%...se%20Final.pdf
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If Bill Clinton was President these same right wing nuts would be singing a different tune. They investigated a 50k land deal for 6 fucking years. and impeached him for lying about a blow job.
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Old 02-26-2007, 10:25 PM   #138
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and impeached him for lying about a blow job.
Wrong.

The impeachable offenses were: perjury, subornation of perjury, filing a false affidavit, witness tampering, lying to a grand jury, abuse of power, etc..

The underlying issue is almost irrelevent. It could have been wiping his ass, a blow job, or even your mother.

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Old 02-26-2007, 10:32 PM   #139
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But it does seem odd..I'm no structural engineer but having 3 huge concrete and steel buildings collapse due to fires does seem to defy logic...



Just to refresh your memory...do you remember the Oklahoma bombing?..do you remember the devastation the explosion wreaked on the facade??...BUT THE REST OF THE BUILDING WAS STILL STANDING after the smoke cleared!! Can you justify the huge hole in #7 with it's eventual collapse..just doesn't add up.
as you said, you are no structural engineer. so why do u keep commenting about how a building will react to fire/bombs etc. having a concrete and steel building fail due to fire does not defy logic at all. do you know the difference between steel and concrete and how they react to fire/heat ?

i dont know anything about the oklahoma building itself, but i can guarantee that its not structurally the same as the wtc buildings (so comparing different buildings to different events is really stupid. ie a bomb and a fire are incredibly different). if the bomb devastated the facade and the rest of the building was still standing, then obviously the main structural elements werent at the facade of the building (which is how such buildings are built most of the time)
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If Bill Clinton was President these same right wing nuts would be singing a different tune. They investigated a 50k land deal for 6 fucking years. and impeached him for lying about a blow job.
Lol you are a fruitcake this is a thread about 9/11 not Monica Lewinsky.
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Old 02-26-2007, 10:33 PM   #141
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tell us more about your experience and qualifications as a structural engineer and demolitions expert. we're all ears. i am sure we can learn a lot.
Not sure why you assume such a sarcastic attitude towards me, when I didn't claim in my post to be versed in structural engineering, nor an expert in demolitions (as if that is required for the points which I posited).

If you wish to respond to the points I raised directly, here is what I wrote again, point by point:

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I find it odd that nowhere in the government issued 9/11 Commission Report does it even mention that WTC 7 collapsed.
Why, in a supposedly comprehensive report, is this pretty significant event - the collapse of a 47-story building, totally ignored?

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The fact that it pancaked, is extremely significant, inasmuch as the type of damage it sustained was far different from the damage to WTC 1 and 2.
Did a 767 aircraft laden with fuel crash into WTC 7? I think we can all agree, no that did not happen. There have been many other tall buildings made of steel with far more significant fires, that did not collapse.

Please show me an example of another steel reinforced building that has collapsed in the same manner as WTC 7 as a result of fire.

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If most of the damage was on one face of the building, and it collapsed as a result, then it would seem that the building should not collapse in the manner in which it did.
If WTC 7 collapsed primarily as a result of structural failure to one side of it (or a combination of that and a fire at the same levels as the structural failure), then it would stand to reason that it would collapse in the direction of the weakness.

Do a Google image search of "building collapse", and you'll see what I mean when the example features a building that collapsed as a result of damage to a particular face of the structure.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, nor do I proclaim to have absolute answers to what happened in this instance. I've simply read accounts and watched videos by experts and kooks on both sides of this issue. No one has absolutely convinced me one way or the other.

Therefore, don't be so quick to condemn me simply for asking/raising questions.

If you accept the Bush Administration argument that the U.S. had to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein due to the overwhelming evidence of WMDs, even though this was ultimately proven to be false, then I assume it will be impossible for you to question anything that is fed to you by the media manipulators representing similar positions on 9/11 or other issues, even though you decry people on the other side who even so much as question what happened.

One thing I do understand is PsyOp (Psychological Operations), in which extremist fringe elements (straw man tin foil puppets) are sometimes created in order to easily be discredited, drawing attention away from actual experts that have less sensational but more compelling arguments that challenge the staus quo.

The U.S. government/military would never engage in psychological ops though, would they?

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Lol you are a fruitcake this is a thread about 9/11 not Monica Lewinsky.
You are a rush limpballs and fox news consuming sheep. If BC was on board you nuts would be questioning it all.
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You are a rush limpballs and fox news consuming sheep. If BC was on board you nuts would be questioning it all.
So you must think Bush is a fucking genius to pull something like this off right?
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I just think that the propaganda machine jumped the gun a bit early and reported to the reporters what they already new was going to happen.
And I just think you are an idiot. That's fair, isn't it?
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Hay, don't blame the messenger.

Again, unless you are old enough to remember the day, you really should just shut up and stop making yourself look as dumb as maddawgz.

They type what is reported to them, the reported isn't reading what is scrolling across the screen.

There were a lot of misreported "facts" that day.

I remember specifically a reporter announcing that a US Army helicopter hit the Pentagon.
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The problem is that everyone wanted to be the first to report a breaking story, and fact checking was exactly a priority that day.

There were a lot of reports that were taken back an hour or so later.
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i thought building 7 was blown on purpose and that it was planned and had nothing to do with the attacks?
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Wrong.

The impeachable offenses were: perjury, subornation of perjury, filing a false affidavit, witness tampering, lying to a grand jury, abuse of power, etc..

The underlying issue is almost irrelevent. It could have been wiping his ass, a blow job, or even your mother.

..perhaps also 18 USC 241 & 242 "Conspiracy to deny civil rights" for the effort of the chief law enforcement officer of this country (and his cronies) to deny a woman, Paula Jones, a fair trial.
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i thought building 7 was blown on purpose and that it was planned and had nothing to do with the attacks?
Yea, one building was demo'ed as I recall.
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