Yahoo is the default search box in my yahoo toolbar...However, I still take the time out to type in google when I want to search...ONLY if I want something quick that can be found by any search engine will I type into the yahoo box.

If it was just one thread spacedog...we all make stupid mistakes sometimes but over and over again your proven us to be a total joke. The biggest joke on this board. About 1/3 of all threads you start end up in serious self ownage and 3 pages of people laughing at you and your never ending stupidity. Want me to bump a few? I could fill the mainpage with them.

How did I own myself in this thread? Explain it to me twinkie.. remember, I'm simple.. lol.. I see most people agreeing to my logic here and I also see that you have a problem with that.

msn is nothing but the nets biggest collection of spam and virus pages
i have never found something i was looking for using msn

google and yahoo still kicks ass... :2 cents:

I optimized my sites for MSN a couple years ago and even bought into their BCentral service only to find out MSN DOESN"T EXCEPT ADULT SITES! So have fun :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

OH MY GOD..

http://search.live.com/results.aspx?...n-US&form=QBRE

starting with listing #4 & going down.. OH NO.. That can't be fucking porn, CAN IT :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

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I can see now how you think you arent stupid hahaha oh man...

Ok maybe times have changed :1orglaugh

Don't know why ampland isn't, but hun is.

http://search.live.com/results.aspx?...n-US&form=QBNO

Yes, lets all optimize for a search engine that displays fgdc.gov as the NUMBER 1 listing for "free porn" :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

yeah jace you have it right
everyone just fuck google....:thumbsup

you gotta admit that thread where spacedog was arguing with an ICQ bot was FUCKING FUNNY!!!!!!!

I know where you're coming from, I just don't think it will have that much of an effect. It's a small percent of the population that is oblivious to what search engine they are using. MSN search was put into every download of IE7 and that didn't help its market share overall.

On paper it would look like Vista would be great news for MSN, but you have to factor in that most new computers have a deal with Google to make them their start page. I just bought a new Dell this past week and the homepage was preloaded to Google. Some ISPs like SBC preload Yahoo! already. If someone prefers Firefox, they're given the Google toolbar built in. There are just too many places out there that will find its way into the search path of an unsuspecting user.

But the biggest problem they have is they aren't a search destination. When you ask a novice about search engines, they'll say Google, Yahoo!, Ask, etc. Not many will say MSN search. They have no brand when it comes to it. Not to mention they don't have a good search engine at all. So until they can brand Live better, I don't see this being much more than a 1-2% marketshare increase (which they'll eventually lose after users become more savvy).

We got the #1 spot for "free porn movies" on MSN..

And it aint bad.

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google
yahoo
msn

I stick with this priority.

msn searchers convert better (for me). people that are searching the web with a default SE probably don't know how to find alot of free porn.

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If being a moron were an Olympic sport, Spacedog would have a gold medal.

There are definitely some changes on the horizon. I have noticed some interesting trends coming form MSN over the last quarter. There has been some rumors over the last year and a half that suggest that MSN and Yahoo have been working on a collaboration. I am not sure if that is happening but it would appear that MSN is getting ready to make some major moves.

If you look at their new image index you can see that they have some strong kung fu. Their image index blows Google out of the water and if their new search technology follows suit they will capture a huge share of the search market.

Honestly it is about time for a shake-up in the search engine field. Google has help the lion's share for quite a long time and I agree that with Vista the average Joe surfer will take the path of least resistance and that path will lead to more traffic and more growth for live.com. Speaking of resistance, look for a huge Anti-trust battle between Google and Microsoft over Vista. Shipping a new product that results in a largely negative impact on a monolith like Google will cause some hair to fly.

With any major change in search engine technology there comes a change in SEO techniques. Does any one remember the Google of a few years back? How about the scramble to adjust the the changes?

My point here is that with time ALL search methods will change and with them the strategies and techniques associated with being productive will change. I remember a day when SEO meant stuffing as many keywords as you possibly could into any place on the page but that changed and with it SEO changed. As long as we are talking about new and interesting search technologies I might as well mention what I think is the new wave of site optimization. I am sure that I will get lambasted for SPAMMING by those of you who have forgotten that this is an industry board and not a social network. If you are one of those people please stop reading this post right now. I do not want to take away from your "play time". Now, the rest of you that would actually like to learn something that will earn you money and keep you competitive in the changing face of search technology keep reading.

First, let me preface by saying that this is not my program. I was fortunate enough to be invited to a tele-conference a few nights ago by one of the best mainstream affiliate aggregations companies and after the call I emailed, Colin the author of this program and asked him a few questions. He immediately called me at home and we had an hour-long conversation about things that I have been doing wrong for a very log time. I would venture to guess that most of you are doing the same things and while I have yet to digest all of the information I assure you that if you pass this opportunity by it will cost you thousands of dollars.

You see the interesting thing about Colin is that like most of us he learned by making mistakes and often getting ?slapped? by Google and watching his rankings fall like a lead balloon or worse disappear completely. He told me that once he stopped chasing the different ?holes? in the Google algorithm and adopted a much more holistic philosophy about search engine marketing that not only did his rankings improve but he was no longer worried about the effects of the next update. He said (and demonstrated) that his methods higher and more stable SERPs than he was ever getting before with exploiting holes in the algorithm. This kind of stability gives you profits and positioning better than anything that you could buy. Now, his methods are not just based on his own experiences but on extended communication with Matt Cutts.

I am not going to say anymore about this except to say that if you see the potential that is glaring in your face with the introduction of MSN?s new technology then you will want to read his report.

http://www.powerpagematrix.com/seo.html

And I suppose you're one of those people that said exactly this same thing back in 2001 when I posted about how to make images & content show up on a cell phone & you all had your flames & bullshit then too.. but I was right.. Just as I am now.

^ that site reads like a late night infomercial.. dr. ho would be proud

If you take a moment and stop...long enough to get past the presentation there really is a wealth of information in that book.

Colin also has a money back guarantee and I know that he is good for it.

Like with most things, some people will see it as a new opportunity to learn and refine and some will get bogged down in hyperbole.

The way I see it, MSN traffic is more juicy than google anyways, because those are the newbs who search from the address bar and shit like that.

However, if you had the knowledge and skill to make a few changes to a page and jump to #1 in MSN for your keywords, you're already doing it and this discussion is pointless anyways.

Well, all I can say is that we have #1 ranking on Google, Yahoo and MSN, and when I ask new clients how they found us, Google still reigns supreme.

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Can I add that IMHO, when people do searches on their new PC with Live.com, and then think "shit I dont use this, ill go to google" - then do the same search on google - I think a LOT of them will think "Fuckin hell that Live.com results page was a fucking 1000 times better than this google shyte" - and then they will go back to live.com.

obviously dumping google would be stupid, but anyone has an article about msn optimization?

Another great fucking tip from Spacedog. I wonder how much msn traffic he is getting now. He must be making shitloads.

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I rule.

well, regardless about spacedog, I would take msn traffic over google traffic any day :2 cents:

optimize for MSN?

All I have to do is think about MSN and it indexes sites that don't even exist...

:D

Msn
 

Last year, I've purchased some SEO service. It ruined my MSN traffic almost completely.I've never recovered and for me, MSN is best converting traffic. My personal opinion is that is is because google is used in all countries and majority of MSN traffic is from US, and we all know who are best membership byers.That experiment showed me best how much MSN traffic is good.

Anyway, I am using Webmasters Live tools, but is there anything special that we can do to get more MSN traffic?

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I must say I LOL'd :upsidedow

doesnt MSN try to filter adult content out?

just google "msn adult search" "msn adult filter" etc.

tips or links to optimize them for msn?

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biggest tip is if you are going for the keyword "porn", you should try to get the domain porn.com, it helps alot with msn's algorithm :1orglaugh

LOL about that noise.

How did I miss this thread loaded with all the google experts?

So Spacedog, i bet you have shitloads of msn traffic by now?

WTF is wrong with your sig.

Step 1: Optimize for Google. That should set up you up pretty well for the other SEs as also.

Step 2: If you happen to know some secret ways to game MSN, check that it won't be contrary to what helps you in Google and do it, if it does, go back to step 1.

I've found many spammy techniques work best with MSN, techniques I would never use since they would jeopardize my Google results.

Msn sucks ass

I think spacedog is confused..

If your site is optimized for google, THEN it is already optimized for MSN.

There is no such thing like choosing to optimize for google with one code and for msn with another.

These kind of threads give me a good laugh.

Yeahh eveeryone who doesnt like traffic go for MSN!

not true Lamis, the algorithms are different, therefore, there are subtle differences in strategy when one wants to optimie for one search engine versus another

I have my Tomahawk ready to blast the first google bot that hits my server.... lol .......