Yes you are. Text-only site. Movies not hosted on your server, they're up on megaerotic, rapidshare, etc etc. bandwidth is less than a text-only tgp.

True the amount of sites that do that isn't much...BUT,
the forum I mentioned is the 65. most popular site in finland according to alexa.. megaupload etc are in the top 10. So it IS a big problem.

I need to wrap something up next week, but I'll try to put up a post-it note about hitting you up next weekend, and hopefully not lose it amongst the dozens of other notes I have. I am really interested about this, and not necessarily because I want to become rich doing it..but more or less because I hate freeloaders, and theft more than almost anything.

I was seriously considering an idea like this myself. The 10 years I spent running adult bookstores including a ton of time spent in court fighting various public indecency and public nuisance charges trumped up by various cities in an effort to shut us down. We mostly used Louis Sirkin to defend us and I really got to appreciate what he did.

What we need is an entity that monitors AFF's activity. That's good enough for me.

hollywood cant even do it so why would anyone in adult be able to

I don't think you'd ever be able to curtail it completely but the idea would be to do enough damage to start flowing the money back where it belongs.

I agree but for some reason the people "in porn" don't act like most business people do in all the other professions. I am not talking about the cut throat / competitive aspects, thats in every industry. In this industry people act like it is expected of them to act like an immature asshole with no business ethics and a fuck you if you look at me funny attitude. If people in this industry can't act like adults they will never be professionals and the idea of working together will at best consist of throwing parties and buying each other drinks...

I agree with this P2P is not bad, it is a great platform and method of distribution, it is the people who upload the stolen content and share that is doing something wrong.

I'll take that one step further....


and they are shaking hands and working deals with affiliates who walk up to their booth just to openly steal from them as soon as they start sending traffic.


But people will do business with them and not hold them accountable. They fear if they stop doing business with them they will lose money. SO they sacrifice their business ethics and basically give the company a license to steal more and more. The more the company steals the more all affiliates lose, including them.

No one holds anyone accountable in this industry, so we get shit on every which way, because these companies can. Even though some people might lose a few bucks by dumping companies like this in the short term, in the long term they will make more money because they will be forcing the industry as a whole to raise the bar and cut out all the thieft, spyware, password sites, etc...

The biggest evil is still in TGP. All these filesharing/p2p etc are for the ppl. who won't buy anything in any case.

We need to stick together, and what i mean by that is to drop guys like AFF that are all over those sharing forums. In the end AFF will still be standing because you can't hook up with girls for free, but you sure can download all the free porn you want.

copy right your shit, and hire an attorney.

after the first suit, I bet that it will slow.

But you will NEVER get rid of it.

They are trying to fight this all the time and all we can do is just join these organizations and support them more.
In many countries porn is illegal but its ridiculous because of internet power...

I hope you're fucking kidding. TGP's are like rivers of molten gold compared to p2p/filesharing etc.. the usage numbers of these filesharers is SOOO much on the rise it's not even funny.

The individuals doing the sharing need to realize they can be held accountable.When people realize this, and it's no longer so 'mainstream' and "well everyone else is doing it", the problem goes away, it slides back to very small groups with hidden FTP's and shit.. Now it's there in the open, everyone can just go and get full length porn for as much as they want.. check something like xxmovies.info out.. it's fucking ridiculous.

Stuff is automatically copyrighted.. but where does one begin? Do I start to watch p2p programs trying to hunt down the user's IP's who share my shit? Do I contact rapidshare and get the IP's of the people who uploaded the stuff, contact their ISP and get their personal details? No, I can't... I gotta work to make a living. I simply don't have time to enforce my own copyrights.

Which organizations are these?

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EXACTLY.... AFF will never lose from these type of sites, but they can put a hurting on their competition and take out a lot of affiliates of other companies in the process.

Think about it from their perspective. They basically fund all of these sites by paying them for traffic. These sites give away stolen content for free from tons of pay sites many of us are affiliates of. Since people are getting access to all these pay sites for free, the advertising we buy will be less and less profit. Less and less people will signup to the program we are pushing because they either have seen it already for free or know where to go find it for free. So affiliates will then stop promoting these companies and possibly go to companies like AFF because they are not suffering from this and can pay more then the companies they are basically forcing out of business. Between doing this and then zango'ing other competitors urls they are effectivly waging war on all other programs, in the most unethical (illegal IMO) ways possible.

but not one wants to stop using them because they might lose a few bucks :1orglaugh

In the end the webcam, dating, and sex toys sites will be the only ones that can survive unless something changes. If you don't offer something live, or something "real" (like dating) or something physical like toys, then you are going to be in trouble.

want to start protecting my copyrights as well as everyone elses? You seem to be good at it. [img

IF someone spidered AFF's whole site and sorted out all of the real girls from the fake ones and made it a free dating portal and then sold ads on it to other dating sites, I wonder how AFF would feel about that.... bastards.

we have the experience to help point any interested webmasters in the right direction. strategies vary by case- so it is hard to generalize an answer on this question.

The trick is to use all the above methods to promote your site. Upload partial sets yourself, everything watermarked. You might be surprised how many people are willing to pay if your content is GOOD and EXCLUSIVE.

:1orglaugh :Oh crap

Go ahead and laugh, im laughing all the way to the bank.

A good database of surfer boards can get you about about 5k hits a day of crap traffic.

But what is crap traffic? Maybe 1:2000 conversions? So 3 sales per day or so, which ends up at about $3000/month.

The pain in the ass part is finding these message boards and registering on all of them. Once you got your accounts and URLs, it takes maybe 5 minutes of cutting and pasting BBCode to all these boards.

Also aff won't ever stop what they are doing because they are filthy rich already and most webmasters don't care which is sad. If this biz died today AFF crew would still be living the high life, the rest of us would be in deep shit. The smaller guys who should be worried about the longevity of the biz don't seem to care.

Love to see some sort of bot that could flood these palces with worthless poor quaility vids with embeded popups

Newsgroups, p2p, and forums make money.. Hands down.
File sharing in general makes you money. Some people will never pay for porn, some have been ripped off and now hunt down free porn, and the millions of others download mad porn, but will pull a credit card out to see more from a site if they like the content.

Work is not automatically copyrighted, you have to register the copyright within a set period of time after the production. You would be amazed at who will remove your content if you have a little bit of valid paper work to backup your threats.

At that, this fear is due to content saturation. I didn't see Nasty Dollars post in this thread, so nobody here has to worry about content saturation anytime soon.

Actually it is automatic..

Copyright protection subsists from the time the work is created in fixed form. The copyright in the work of authorship becomes the property of the author who created the work. Only the author or those deriving their rights through the author can rightfully claim copyright.

Registering a copyright just makes it easier to go against infringers..

don't worry, spyware is going to ruin p2p at least if that shit doesn't change. once people get infected a couple hundred times on p2p networks because of idiots using it to push spyware people will be too scared to use it and they would rather pay for it instead killing their pcs. Shit, you have to install zango before you can even start using bearshare. I think some other p2p sites make you install crap to use them for free too. Spyware is also more previlant on those password trading type sites too. How many people trust the site you downloading something stolen from, kinda funny when you think about, what makes you trust someone that is giving you stolen content.

oh, and when they do slip in spyware with your download what are you going to do, go report them?

" Hey I was downloading this pirated video and i got spyware on my pc ?" lol

They know this, they are fucking both sides (in most cases) the people they steal the content from and the people who is getting it from them .

AFF doesn't need affiliates. I wouldn't be surprised if they do more in sales from their own marketing then they do from affiliates. Even at that their top 10 - 20 affiliates probably account for 50+% of their affiliate sales, so all they need to do is keep a handfull of people happy.

I wouldn't want to compete with the company I am advertising for traffic. Everywhere you look AFF is advertising. They have the upper hand, they have the profit margin, resources, and buy in volume that none of their affiliates have. You couldn't come close to profiting like they do from the same traffic, for several reasons just stated.

So why compete with the company that has a big advantage over you.
On top of all this they hit you with zango and take even more of your traffic. They deal with the sites we are taking about here which hurts you with the other companies you advertise... yet people still want to do business with them... it is amazing but sad, and makes no sense to me.

Well, my opinion of the P2P issue is this: Spike the network with shit. Set up any number of servers, and serve SHIT. All day, all night, nothing but shit. Corrupt files, spam, endless loops, and otherwise useless shit. Make the P2P experience worse and worse all the time. Turn every movie into "you stole it you fucking idiot" and basically fuck everyone over.

Think of it as a sort of virus of it's own. Pollute the waters, and do it without let up. Force the issue.

Same thing with the forums. Join up and spew them full of bad links, corrupted (large) zip files, and send people to console and toolbar hell holes. Collect the email addresses and give them to pyramid scheme owners. Fuck them up bigtime.

Then serve DMCA noticed to every host you find. That danish company will drop that board if it is contributing to the distribution of copyright material. Nobody wants to be on the ass end of a lawsuit for $20 a year.