What ever happened to Osama Bin Laden?
Bush is really trying hard to find him. LOL

The western media loves to do hitjobs on Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He is not crazy and he does not want to kill Americans or Israelis.

That "wiped off the map" quote of his had violent connotations to it in the western world that do not exist prior to translation in Iran where it was stated. But no reason to divulge into that when the quote as-is is so shocking and sells newspapers. Right?

He meant that Israel should be moved to somewhere in Europe or the US. He does not believe that a Jewish state should have been created in the middle east, and that moving would cease all violence between Jews and Arabs.

In theory he is correct, but the idea of moving Israel thousands of miles is just ridiculous. Even so, that is no reason to withhold information so that the quote seems violent rather than the absurd plan for peace that it was.

Another thing the media likes to do is shock us with the Iranian Ayatollah's comments when he says things like it's okay to kill X number of people or that such and such countries should be attacked. It's really the equivalent of Pat Robertson saying the same stuff here in the US on the 700 Club.

But this sort of stuff is just to build up anti Iranian sentiments that would enable war against them. People like splum fall for it every time.

Please enlighten us about what polices Bush could have put in place in NINE MONTHS? Clinton had EIGHT YEARS to enact polices to stop 9/11, that is if Clinton really believed Bin Laden was a real threat. And if Clinton thought Bin Laden was a huge threat, why didn’t he do something in his EIGHT YEARS get a police to protect the US from attacks? So really what kind of “warnings” did Clinton really give?

It is just ignorant to blame Bush for 9/11.

He is half dead and worthless rotting in Pakistan :1orglaugh

Anthrax attacks happened after 9/11. When was the last terrorist attack on US soil before 9/11?

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So put down your ipod and pickup your M-16 Boys and Girls because it's about to get even more fun !

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Because, much like the guy in Monty Python, he's hilarious.

you could kill a million "islamic terrorists" and it won't make much of a difference. there will always be more to step up to the plate. i don't see how you could view my thinking as simple minded and not your own. if you studied history you'd see that these countries have been at each others throats since the dawn of time and nothing will change that. i'm not saying we've sacrificed a lot of soliders yet, but 10 years from now, what will of changed unless we or they do something huge? anyhow, my main point was that americans value life very differently from those we are fighting and americans will not tolerate loosing their sons and daughters for a cause that has no foreseeable end. oh, and how i survive in this business, lol. i probably make more money than you do, not that it matters any.

Ok Splum I have a question for you.
Let’s say we decide to stay in Iraq (very probable)
We send in more troops (already in progress)
How do you think this will end?

Will we wipe out all the terrorist threats in the region and take control?
The US will be safe and the problematic Middle Eastern countries will join the UN?
Will we establish a new region called the republic of Iraq primarily consisting of military personal and their families? Soon after will McDonald’s and Starbucks will start to popup allover.

Maybe the problem is that people don't see the outcome that you see.
So here is your chance to help make others understand.

Terrorist attacks will happen regardless of whether or not a war is taking place. We're no more safe than we were then..Hell..With the majority of our armed forces overseas, how are we possibly more protected than before?

All we're doing in Iraq is trying to rebuild their country. We taken down their government, killed Sadaam and have confirmed that there are NO wmd's. What the fuck is there left to do? Kill more troops while giving other countries time to prepare for impending wars? Look at the country next to Iraq, as well as the other firing test nukes at us. That's where we need to be.

No but we will stay on top of it and kill them BEFORE they pull off a 9/11

There are plenty of middle eastern countries in the UN already?

No but we will always have a military presence there. Just like we have done in Korea, Japan, Germany etc.

Dubai, Kuwait, Qatar and Egypt have plenty of western influences(such as Mcdonalds etc hell Michael Jackson lives in the UAE) and remain friendly to US interests.

REFORM THE MIDDLE EAST TO BECOME PEACEFUL LIKE JAPAN AND GERMANY.

#1 The anthrax "attacks" were not foreign terrorism it was domestic.
#2 World Trade Center bombing 1993

Splum, I am trying to figure out - does the republican party pay you per post, or per thread? Also, do they pay for multiple threads on similar topics? Do they pay you for starting anti-democrat threads on other boards as well?

Your agenda is see thru.

Like I said in my original post, ignorance is bliss, you're definitely proof of that. I kind of hope you are just a troll like me becuase nobody could possibly be that stupid, except for maybe Pathfinder, err, I mean theking.

No one tells the Iraqi's how to live? Really? I don't remember the Iraqi _PEOPLE_ saying "Ohh mighty America, please come and give us democracy, McDonalds and Brittney Spears!" If I recall correctly, your government controlled (And probably still does control) the Iraqi government. There are curfews in place (put their by the US military) in Badgad and probably other cities in Iraqi.

An American soldier can walk into (break down the door is more like it) an Iraqi home, tell everyone to get down/get out, trash their home, etc, etc...

But nobody tells the Iraqi's what to do, right?

You know what we call you in the adult industry? Ignorant and delusional. Why don't you make a trip over there with a video camera and prove me wrong?

Won't be fixed if they stay either... but I figure since the US fucked it up they owe it to the country to stick around until things improve.

Hillary is a smart woman. Whether she would really do it if she becomes the first ever female president is another matter.

Fuck that old stupid tramp. America kicks seroius ass. I wanna see more of those 40,000000 ton bombs obliterating the living shit out of entire shit rat hole towns. Enemies of the US have alot to fear and alot more fuckin pain and suffering to endure.I'd say way more iraqis have died than 911 and the us soldiers combined.

what has she done that matters? nothing...

To the extent that we are probably spending what, almost a half a billion a day, I wouldn't mind keeping that money in our economy instead of further bankrupting our country so that there is nothing left but good stories for our children about how this used to be a great nation.

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Which illustrates how distorted our views have become as to what - traditionally at least - our two parties stand for. Imperialism has in fact been pursued by both, pretty consistently since the 1920's and in no practical sense have the Democrats, overall, been any less gung ho than the Republicans. That is what has gained us so many friends around the world. Or not, according to your perception...

What is amusing about reading the likes of Splum defending his corner, is his apparent belief that a) we could afford to turn a region covering some of our largest oil supplies into a parking lot and b) anti-American sentiment and activity would be wiped out if we did. Those are both patently ludicrous visions and yet without them, nothing he says makes any sense whatsoever.

He further toes the party line by conveniently ignoring the reality that the majority of terrorist funding comes from within Saudi Arabia and reaches organisations in countries as distant as Malaysia. GW's "War on Terrorism" isn't only being fought on a very selective basis, but where it is being fought, the casualties on both sides have escalated. It takes a special kind of logic to interpret that reality as any kind of victory.

If we allow defeatism to take over there will be NO COUNTRY to remember.

Clinton tried to get Bin Laden, but your memory is short because you are a republican. Every time he sent off some cruise missiles, republicans were screaming he was just trying to distract from Monicagate. My bet is you forgot that part.

If memory serves Bush was on vacation the whole month of august. He must have been tired of doing nothing for a whole 7 months in office.

He had terrorism czar that worked for the 3 previous presidents, telling him he had to do something. What did bush cheney do, they demoted him. fucking brilliant.

So yes it's ignorant not to blame bush for 9-11.

I never said turn the middle east into a parking lot I said REFORM the middle east. I also never said I gave a fuck what the world thinks about us?

Where did I say we are victorious? You obviously dont understand geo-political or proxy warfare. Then again why would you liberal.

You sir are a LIAR plain and simple, you may call me ignorant etc all you want but I dont fucking lie like you.

But it's not his belief, it's what someone told him to believe. The shit he spews is straight from the talking points, no deviation.

And the shit that comes from the talking points isn't anything these people really believe, it's just spin. They know they fucked up, they know Iraq is a disaster, but they need to spin it behind some cheerleading nationalism. Seriously, the Republicans don't even believe the shit he is spewing, they just have to say they do to not look like the complete fuckups and crooks they are.

Whats your IM info I got something I want to show you about your sites.

I am going to vote Democrat in 08 only if her bitch ass isn't the dem nominee

Actually I am not even Republican idiot. I am pro-choice, that certainly isnt with the "party" line of Republicans lol. You just cant face the fact that maybe there are LOTS of people in the United States that dont think like you and your lackies?

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Splum: Serious question
How many other countries have you lived in? I don't know your background, just want to know before I say anything stupid.

I have never "lived" in any other countries, I spent time in the Army(mostly Kuwait), my mother is from Austria(stayed there with her for a month) and I have family I have visited in Utrecht Netherlands.

Why would I want to "live" anywhere else than the greatest country on earth?

Just because there have always been terrorists doesn't mean you can't create more. There's NO DOUBT that the US invasion of Iraq has created more people who wish ill will to the US (if you don't believe this you really need to get your head out of the sand, or at least outside the US), at least compared to immediately post 9/11 when the world had real sympathy towards the US

to learn about the world? I'm not saying leave the US forever, but you can get great perspectives about your own country from looking from afar, and also to learn about other countries views.

Doesn't look like they showed up on that Tuesday in November.

I have traveled outside of the USA many times as I said above. Simple fact is I dont give a fuck about any other country but my own. My country is just fine without the world telling me what my country is. If we are evil so be it, if we are imperialists(and I believe we are) so be it, if we are the evil empire so be it.

Which November is that, the one that Bush won or the other one that Bush won, or could it be that November that Bushs dad won, or maybe it was the two Novembers that Reagan won, or maybe it was all the Novembers for the past 13 years that Republicans won congress. You mean those Novembers?

Yes, elections that happened 20 years ago are very important in deciding what our nation feels right now. Hell, why not say that the Whig party is kicking ass since they won some elections back in the day?

The November I'm talking about is the last November we had. The most recent and the best gauge for what our country wants right now. They made their voices heard.

sounds like a boring life.

Jon Murtha?
Jon Murtha?

Why do we care for a made up contry IRAQ is only 70 years old. It was made up by terrorists. Unless we remove the country it will never be saved.

Anyways pull the troops out until they hold out on giving us oil again. All this bullshit on saving the country is getting old. I get fooling the people it's been going on for thousands of years but this must be a record.

We cannot save the country, we can force them to give us oil and hurt them ten times worse then whatever they do to us.

Can someone be real for once this world is so ridicules sometimes. :disgust

Damn this thread is still rolling...

John Murtha is a decorated marine who volunteered to fight for his country. Chickenhawks are those who want war but are too pussy to fight in them themselves (aka: President Bush and Vice President Cheney).

Im good like that.