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Old 02-18-2007, 10:52 PM   #51
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Man, I'm so tired of Vietnam excuses.

When I studied military science and became an army officer they never taught us about these excuses. They showed us how we lost and what to do to prevent it from happening again.

You sound like a guy who lost a fist fight while everyone watched you lose and you keep talking about how you would have hit him harder if ...but...but...but...but...and because....then if....

Hint: Noboby gives a shit about what "could have happened" because what happened was defeat and that's the end of the game.
Pigshit on all counts. BTW I was career military (12 years with the 82nd Airborne and egaged in four different operations) until my career was abruptly ended in the 1st Gulf War.
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Old 02-18-2007, 10:57 PM   #52
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at this point i don't support the war in the beginning i felt it was something that needed to be done in retaliation for 9/11 but now we are basically wiping them out and making them start from scratch sounds a bit like genocide to me were targeting the iraqi people, redefining their whole way of life all to bring us that much closer to controlling more of the worlds oil.
"WE" are wiping out the Iraqis? Actually 95% of them are being killed by terrorists(whether it be Al Qaeda in Iraq or some other group). Dont you know whats going to happen when we leave?
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Hello? 9/11? Hello? You would rather have semi-sporadic terrorist acts happening just to save a few bucks? Insane I tell you insane.
LOL LOL LOL

The war in Iraq made the antisentiment towards the USA even greater.
The USA is more at risk now than it ever was.

The whole situation could have been solved with the war in Afghanistan and with the liberation of Palestine.
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:03 PM   #54
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Tell that to the people who worked in the World Trade Center on 9/10/2001
Its ALWAYS been dangerous. The US is not as dangerous NOW as it was before 9/11 there hasnt been another attack. You are the one fooled by the lies. 3000+ blessed soldiers lives pales in comparison to the mass murder these terrorists are committing everyday and want to commit here.
So on September 10th, 2001 the USA was not a dangerous place? Because there had been no attacks?
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:08 PM   #55
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Prove it motherfucker, has there been another attack IN THE USA? No. Do you even have a fucking clue of whom you have to thank for that? All those soldiers in Afghanistan, Iraq and around the world fighting this battle for your pussy ass.
Hey fool, there was never a terrorist attack until Bush took office. How you gonna work your way around that one. He was in office for 9 months when it happened, so you can't blame Clinton, and he warned him on the way out. Bush and co. refused to listen.
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:09 PM   #56
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Hey fool, there was never a terrorist attack until Bush took office.
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:10 PM   #57
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Clinton was the reason 9/11 happened on American soil at all. He could have had Bin Laden years ago, keep in mind Al Qaeda had been continually attacking our overseas interests ALL through the Clinton years.
So he was fighting them there so they didn't attack us here...right?
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:12 PM   #58
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:16 PM   #59
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:16 PM   #60
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At least she has a plan, as opposed to the fools in office now.

There is a reason they use the wording "war on terror" instead of "war on terrorists" . Terror is and ideology, and can last forever. Terrorists would mean we were actually fighting someone and might end one day.

I like Trumps idea. Declare victory and leave.
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:18 PM   #61
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Hey fool, there was never a terrorist attack until Bush took office. How you gonna work your way around that one. He was in office for 9 months when it happened, so you can't blame Clinton, and he warned him on the way out. Bush and co. refused to listen.


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Old 02-18-2007, 11:22 PM   #62
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LOL,,,
Clinton took his pants down and got caught. No one got killed.
Bush got caught with his pants down and thousands lost their lives.
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Anyone who thinks a 'war on terror' can be 'won' is certifiable.

By the way, let me know when that 'war on drugs' and 'war on crime' is won.
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:41 PM   #64
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Clinton took his pants down and got caught. No one got killed.
Bush got caught with his pants down and thousands lost their lives.
I was just laughing at your misinformation. That's all.
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:44 PM   #65
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I just don't see how us staying there for a few years will stop them from killing one another. They hate each other, plain and simple. They will for generations. Sometimes you have to sit back and let them have their civil war, just like we did.
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:49 PM   #66
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Anyone who thinks a 'war on terror' can be 'won' is certifiable.

By the way, let me know when that 'war on drugs' and 'war on crime' is won.
Exactly. Terror is a tactic and can come from anywhere. The Unibomber and Tim McVeigh were terrorists as well. We need to start specifying that we are after all radical Islamic groups abroad (and probably here as well) and any country who support them, who use terrorist tactics. How are we gonna win if we won't even clearly define who or what we are fighting.
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:55 PM   #67
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Iraq invades Kuwait in 1990, the UN authorizes the USA and its coalition to eject Iraq from Kuwait. We set bases up in Saudi Arabia to start military action against Iraq, this pisses Bin Laden and other extreme muslims off who then declare that the United States and its allies must leave the "holy lands". Because of our presence there and our support of Israel Bin Laden and other extremists declared war on the United States and they attacked us in 1993, 1995 and 2001(9/11).
Reading your other posts leads me to believe you are having delusions of grandeur. Can you fucking blame them for hating the US? How would you feel if some other nation came in to your country set up a military base and started telling you how to live? You'd probably be pissed to. I'm not asking you that so you can say "No country could ever invade the all powerful United States of America, blah blah blah", I'm asking how you would feel if it happened, hypothetically speaking. I suspect the feeling with be similar to the one you feel when someone lets their dog shit on your lawn and they don't clean it up, with more intensity.


Why don't you pull your head out of your ass long enough to see things from the other sides perspective? Obviously with your comment above about costa rica that's unlikely to happen, but your attitude is exactly the reason the majority of the world (Not just those camel eating bastards in the middle east) hate your country and everything it stands for. Funny that you said he lives in a bubble when it seems to me you are living in one and not him.


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Bush did a lot too when he first got in office, didn't he? I mean, it's not like his cabinet ignored a memo that said "bin Laden DETERMINED on striking in the US" or anything, right?

why would they have acted on that report ....

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Old 02-19-2007, 01:32 AM   #71
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It wont be "fixed" properly unless we wipe out or reform that entire region, we certainly cant do it while a portion of our own country wants to run from the fight.
Let's think about why so many other countries hate America. It's because America loves to meddle in everyone elses affairs, thinks of itself as the world police force, and basically bullies other countries around. Of course there's going to be retaliation. What would be your reaction if Iran, Iraq, and other muslim countries decided they were going to "fix" America and "wipe out or reform the entire region" (your exact words).
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Old 02-19-2007, 01:38 AM   #72
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Clinton was the reason 9/11 happened on American soil at all. He could have had Bin Laden years ago, keep in mind Al Qaeda had been continually attacking our overseas interests ALL through the Clinton years.
Clinton is probably Al qaida.

You should put Jihad on him
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Let's think about why so many other countries hate America. It's because America loves to meddle in everyone elses affairs, thinks of itself as the world police force, and basically bullies other countries around. Of course there's going to be retaliation. What would be your reaction if Iran, Iraq, and other muslim countries decided they were going to "fix" America and "wipe out or reform the entire region" (your exact words).
Quoted for truth.
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i dont see the big deal with Iraq, US soldiers are like chevy cars for this administration, easily replaceable and less than 3,000 of them broke down.

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i dont see the big deal with Iraq, US soldiers are like chevy cars for this administration, easily replaceable and less than 3,000 of them broke down.

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I know this is GFY... but sheesh, that was cold. :|
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I know this is GFY... but sheesh, that was cold. :|
Cold, but true. Soldiers are cannon fodder. To die for their government and private enterprise is their purpose.
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i dont see the big deal with Iraq, US soldiers are like chevy cars for this administration, easily replaceable and less than 3,000 of them broke down.

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Hello? 9/11? Hello? You would rather have semi-sporadic terrorist acts happening just to save a few bucks? Insane I tell you insane.
if its about that then why put such importance on the iraq and not saudi arabia where most of the 911 terrorists came from. or why has afganistan taken such a backseat when the taliban who is still pretty strong there largely funded the whole thing. sure, we should try and keep islamic extremists out of power in iraq but if saddam was still there, they wouldn't have to. not that he is much better but when you are fighting a group of people who have nothing to lose and believe that there is more honor in death than in life, you just don't stand a chance unless you are willing to sacrifce a large number of your own people or the people you claim to be liberating.
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wow splum was proven in idiot in the first 5 posts.

I haven't seen a thread turn so fast.
He was proven idiot in HIS FIRST post.

What Mark Twain said realy applies to splum: "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
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Didn't Bin Laden and Old Bush have a dinner together on US Soil during the Clinton presidency?
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Yes it was cold, but with no real intended disrespect to any soldier. Both them and iraqi civilians are viewed as insignificant figures. The first serving a purpose and the 2nd as unavoidable losses of a greater beneficial cause. The whole situation is truly lunatic and nobody appears to be in position to step up and actually do something that will make a difference.
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Retreat? The war has already been won. No WMD. Saddam gone. What other reasons did we go in for?

The violence against our toops goes on only because we are there.
True. You are a big country will be afraid of half ruined Iraq all the rest of the time?
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There is no war between usa and iraq.. iraq was/is being invaded by the USA over oil.

Thats something completely different
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Sorry to be the one to tell you Splum, but 911 has nothing to do with Iraq.
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People, mark this down and remember it:

2008 will be the first real internet presidential campaign. Not just campagin ads, but rather people with "talking points" coming to chat boards to trying to put negative spin on one candidate or another. There people will appear to be posters like you or me, but their intentions aren't to discuss, but to put the seeds of doubt or a negative opinion into your mind.

They don't have to worry about being honest, telling the truth, or about slanderous comments, because it's just people chatting, you know.

Mark it down. Threads like this will dominate chat boards, and the campaigns will be the ones placing them and encouraging them.
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Hey fool, there was never a terrorist attack until Bush took office. How you gonna work your way around that one. He was in office for 9 months when it happened, so you can't blame Clinton, and he warned him on the way out. Bush and co. refused to listen.
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Can you fucking blame them for hating the US? How would you feel if some other nation came in to your country set up a military base and started telling you how to live?
You dumb ass no one told the Saudis how to live, we simply used their land to attack Iraq. Matter of fact the Saudis told US how to conduct ourselves while on their land.

No one tells the Iraqis how to live either.

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Let's think about why so many other countries hate America. It's because America loves to meddle in everyone elses affairs, thinks of itself as the world police force, and basically bullies other countries around. Of course there's going to be retaliation. What would be your reaction if Iran, Iraq, and other muslim countries decided they were going to "fix" America and "wipe out or reform the entire region" (your exact words).
Iran has stated many times they would like to wipe out Israel and other countries that support Israel off the map. This is exactly what muslim extremists want to do wipe us from the world, oh and by the way THEY DECLARED WAR ON US NOT VICE VERSA. Its obvious you are an anti-American thats all, so blinded and jaded with jealous hate for the USA.
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if its about that then why put such importance on the iraq and not saudi arabia where most of the 911 terrorists came from. or why has afganistan taken such a backseat when the taliban who is still pretty strong there largely funded the whole thing. sure, we should try and keep islamic extremists out of power in iraq but if saddam was still there, they wouldn't have to. not that he is much better but when you are fighting a group of people who have nothing to lose and believe that there is more honor in death than in life, you just don't stand a chance unless you are willing to sacrifce a large number of your own people or the people you claim to be liberating.
You are extremely simple minded, how the fuck do you survive in this business? We arent sacrificing a lot of our soldiers lives, do you realize how many "islamic terrorists" we have killed in Afghanistan and Iraq? And dont even say we are creating "more" terrorists because they have been terrorists against Christian nations for thousands of years. If you studied history instead of surviving college in a drug induced haze you would know these things.

The British pacified the middle east for many years after the fall of the Ottoman empire. There is no reason to believe we cant do the same.
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Old 02-19-2007, 09:41 AM   #92
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I look at this list every couple weeks, and I always see new names and faces here. Young kids killed in action. Thousands and thousands of them, they don't even know what they're doing, yet they're used as cannon fodder. Take a peek, real insightful:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/ira...s/2007.02.html

It amazes me how the US talks about its "enemies" and the "threats" and forgets China and India and instead hunts down towel-headed shepherds with futuristic Helicopters and night vision gear.

The emerging economic powers are laughing their asses off as America spends trillions on waging war and homeland security while reducing investment in their infrastructure, health and the education of its people... like China and India are doing. And they're getting better and better year by year.

Just like nobody talked about the "communist threat" in the 80s (like they did in the 50s and 60s in every headline) they won't talk about the "islamic threat" in a few decades.

The next war won't be fought with weapons, it is an economic war waged with the far east and the result will likely be an economic blood letting of the US, similar to 1979-1982, with dramatic negative results for the middle class.
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Old 02-19-2007, 09:47 AM   #93
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The next war won't be fought with weapons, it is an economic war waged with the far east and the result will likely be an economic blood letting of the US, similar to 1979-1982, with dramatic negative results for the middle class.
Sucks to be middle class then doesnt it? Id rather be broke than dead.
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Old 02-19-2007, 09:53 AM   #94
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Sucks to be middle class then doesnt it?
You tell me.
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Old 02-19-2007, 10:07 AM   #95
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Why do you people even bother arguing with Splum on this stuff? It's a waste of time. He's the typical diehard republican that will simply hurl insults when he can't defend a defeated position any longer.

Reminds me of the French guy on top of the castle in Monty Python: The quest for the holy grail.

".. and your father smelt of elderberries!"
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Splum you have such a bird brain... its sad
thank god every day you are smart enough to breath
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Old 02-19-2007, 10:26 AM   #97
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Sucks to be middle class then doesnt it? Id rather be broke than dead.
Well we all know that your broke, so at least your not dead.
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Old 02-19-2007, 11:00 AM   #98
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well, she has all the reason to push with such move

i bet she can win the hearts of the Americans here

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Old 02-19-2007, 11:04 AM   #99
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This woman is insane, she wants our troops to leave Iraq in 90 days!?
Does she really think Iraq and the middle east will be magically fixed because we leave?! Im glad she has no power in our country.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/hillcast/?sc=8

Partisan politics aside, leaving Iraq would be disastrous for the future of the United States. These extremists will STILL come for us and expand their power bases in the middle east. Even if Israel is destroyed they wont stop there.
It will not be fixed but atleast american people will no longer die there.
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Old 02-19-2007, 11:19 AM   #100
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Iraq war has been won already, let the UN do the peace keeping

The UN Sec. Gen. should focus more on rebuilding this country
instead of a one man army

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