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Old 02-12-2007, 06:05 PM   #51
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I remember sex ed class. It was okay, but I learned the most important stuff from watching porn.
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Old 02-12-2007, 06:08 PM   #54
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seriously, isnt the average age for losing virginity like 16?

that means for every girl losing it at 14, there's one losing it at 18 etc

saying "most girls have given blowjobs at the age of 13" is bullhit.... IMO
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Old 02-12-2007, 06:10 PM   #55
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Its remarkable to me - when people condone this type of crap.

Since WHEN did it become the STATES responsibility? And worse yet - since when do parents think its right for the STATE to decide whats RIGHT to teach their childreen?

Perhaps, we should jsut hand the little crumb-crunchers over to a state facility when they are school age so they can be raised by the state, who will send them back to their parents at age 18, endoctrinated with their carreers chosen for them based on what the state needs.
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Old 02-12-2007, 06:13 PM   #57
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Are you a fucking idiot?

Sex is something natural that humans do, why the hell would we keep it in a closet?

Sex should be explained by that age def. so kids dont grow up wondering what the hell is going on and feel uncomfterable with their bodies.

Kids need to be taught about safe sex as early as possible. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. She is 12 she is not 3 stop trying to baby your daughter.
Look man when they are sitting in class talking about penis's be stuck in the mouth and in the ass yes to me thats over board. How old was your daughter when she learned about that from a teacher? I agree kids need to be taught early about sex but come on now anal and oral in 6th grade?
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seriously, isnt the average age for losing virginity like 16?

that means for every girl losing it at 14, there's one losing it at 18 etc

saying "most girls have given blowjobs at the age of 13" is bullhit.... IMO
But according to a typical teenage girl, losing your virginity only counts if a boy jizzed in your vagina. There's often months or years of doing other stuff before that happens. Did you guys go to an all-boys school or something?
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Parental denial. Most girls have given blowjob by 13. Yes, that will probably include your daughter, though she'd rather die than talk to her parents about it. Rich / poor / liberal / conservative plays little role in which girls do what when. Though unreasonable strictness seems to have the opposite effect. I'm not presenting any moral opinion about it, nor do I care since I am no longer a teenage boy. Neither do I have a moral opinion on the right age for giraffes to mate. It's just what happens. All we can do as we pretend to be civilized is choose how to react to it. Some want to educate, some want to ignore.
im not a parent. all i know is that when i was 12 the idea of anal sex never crossed my mind. either the 12 year old girls were giving it up to the older guys or my friends and i were total losers because no one i knew was having sex at 12. i guess things are a bit different now but i don't even remember if sex ed consisted of talking about std's when i had it. it was in grade 6 as i recall though.
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Children that dont get info wind up with babies or diseases, thats a fact. It must be hard to think of your daughter as a sexual being but eventually it will happen hormones are stronger than religion. Better they know and feel they can talk openly with you , then your a grand parent in your thirties.
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But according to a typical teenage girl, losing your virginity only counts if a boy jizzed in your vagina. There's often months or years of doing other stuff before that happens. Did you guys go to an all-boys school or something?
Polish_Aristocrat is still a virgin IMO.

Most girls lose their virginity at 13-14 YO. You should go to a school and see what's happening. Guys receive "rainbows" there.
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Polish_Aristocrat is still a virgin IMO.

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lol would be funny at my age
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anyway i dont know exactly how many % girls lose their virginity at 13 but IMO you only see the half of them and overlook the ones who aren't even thinking about sex at that age
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yeah thats a good read for sure. Jesus how times have changed
You can say that again I didnt know what anal sex was until I was in my 20's lol
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and seriously, last time i read about some studies (one year ago or so) i read that the average age is 16 or so

not sure if that was about the US or Europe or worldwide in general, cause i werent really interested in that topic.. but that shouldnt make a huge diference

ok, it may be 15, not 16 perhaps, but definitely i dont believe that the average age to lsoe your virginity is 13 nowadays
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We had sex ed in 6th grade. Girls in 1 class boys in the other..

Seems like we watched 1960's old films or something, this was 1980.

I belive strongly in education and talking with your kids about sexual issues, college, etc, etc

Tough for me to accept "oral and anal" talk in the classroom but if it was approved by the school / district welll.... Better for kids to know what's out there, what can happen, std's, prevention, etc this aint the 1960's anymore.

I think back and mabey I started to young, dunno. Kissing and all that at 11-12 and then all the way summer before 7th grade..

I have five daughters, 19-15-14-13 and 5.. We have talked abit about this stuff, better to let your kids know that they can come to you if they have questions or need help, etc. They mostly talk with there mom..

But we are a pro choice family and while alot might not agree with me - my older daughters know (15-14-13) that if they get pregnant, they will be going to the docs for a procedure - as long as they are in HS and in the house...

Do you want to be 16-17 and change diapers, have no life, or goto college, have a career.. God I think I pound that into them...

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Look man when they are sitting in class talking about penis's be stuck in the mouth and in the ass yes to me thats over board. How old was your daughter when she learned about that from a teacher? I agree kids need to be taught early about sex but come on now anal and oral in 6th grade?
I seriously think the earlier the better. Sex is natural, everything about it is natural.

We need to stop sugar coating shit for our children, we need to start to tell them the truth about life (and sex) and maybe they will not grow up feeling so fucked up and lied to.

O no not a penis! i am sorry to tell you but your daughter is going to be knobbing on alot of cocks in her life, and i am not trying to say that to instigate you i am saying that because it is the truth.

Why not educate her on the proper way to do it + the safest way to do it?

She is not 3 years old, she is 12, i am sure the teacher isnt going out and telling her "go suck some cocks this weekend".

What is so wrong about sex that we have to keep it from our kids? education is best.

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I seriously think the earlier the better. Sex is natural, everything about it is natural.

We need to stop sugar coating shit for our children, we need to start to tell them the truth about life (and sex) and maybe they will not grow up feeling so fucked up and lied to.

O no not a penis! i am sorry to tell you but your daughter is going to be knobbing on alot of cocks in her life, and i am not trying to say that to instigate you i am saying that because it is the truth.

Why not educate her on the proper way to do it + the safest way to do it?

She is not 3 years old, she is 12, i am sure the teacher isnt going out and telling her "go suck some cocks this weekend".

What is so wrong about sex that we have to keep it from our kids? education is best.
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Education, safety, etc is one thing but come on man - your way the fuck out there.. Educating your daughter on how to give bj's, etc is just not kosher at all in my opinion.

We raise our kids with the values we think they should have.. I mean if a kid is going to give bj's at an early age, what can you do... But teaching your child, no go...
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seriously, isnt the average age for losing virginity like 16?

that means for every girl losing it at 14, there's one losing it at 18 etc

saying "most girls have given blowjobs at the age of 13" is bullhit.... IMO
Yah, "most" should be read as "popular".
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Sounds like he was giving a little TOO much detailed information out.
I mean its not like its frickin' "Deja-Vu's" recruiting career day on campus!
Id be PISSED OFF too man!
Might be time administer a possible driect intervention and let him know "what time it is!" ..... so to speak
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Education, safety, etc is one thing but come on man - your way the fuck out there.. Educating your daughter on how to give bj's, etc is just not kosher at all in my opinion.

We raise our kids with the values we think they should have.. I mean if a kid is going to give bj's at an early age, what can you do... But teaching your child, no go...
I do not like the way you people are making this sound. I am sure there was teaching about safety.

I am sure the teacher was not like "ok grab the banana, deep throat it, grab his balls, now lick it up and down, now when he is about to cum you should swallow it because that is what guys like".

i seriously doubt that that was the way it was taught and that is the way you people are making it sound.

I am seriously very surprised that as adult webmasters we are not more open to this type of teaching. This is the reason why we have so many closet cases against us, alot of people are not educated about sex. Sex is a beautiful thing and should not be locked up and not talked about.

You are not steeling a childs innosense by telling them the truth, i had sex ed in grade 5 and i didnt go out after school and have sex with a bunch of girls.

Do you people seriously take your children for being so stupid they would go around giving out free blowjobs just because the teacher explained it to them?
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you know at first i thought it was a good thing until she went into detail. The teacher taught them about oral and anal sex too. Now my daughter just turned 12 and is in 6th grade .

She came home ans described both of these actsto me in full detail. I dont know if i should be pissed at the school or not. I dont remember that much detail when i was in school.
You are kidding me right? Do you know why they go into such detail now because 12 yr old girls are having sex all the time now. Yah its a harsh thing to understand but Id rather have my girl prepared because no matter how much you say no, it could still happen.
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Dude, I don't have any kids, but I can't see teaching 12 year olds about anal sex.
What is the reasoning there?
You would think that something like that would be available to the parents for review, BEFORE they actually teach it.
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hmm oral and anal at 12? sounds like my sisters friday night...
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Maybe the anal sex thing was a bit much but the fact is kids are doing it and need to know the risks . Maybe not in detail but they should be told that people do it and you can catch STD's ... same with oral sex .. I think i got my first BJ in 7th grade so they need to know the risks there also .. You should get involved with the school if possible because these things are discussed and it just goes over better when you are prepared for what they talked about.
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What about PARENTAL RIGHTS?

Why isn't it up to the PARENTS to decide what is appropriate for a government agency to expose their childreen to? This really isn't about whether or not the kids should know, learn about this stuff. It's about whether the govenrment has the right to introduce anything it wants to your childreen. The fact that everyone is so ready to just hand over the raising of their own childreen to the government is freightening!

What if this wasn't a sex-ed class, but a pro-gun, pro-war or even perhaps a pro-genecide type of class? How would you then feel? What if it was a prayer class?

Don't you care what the schools have liberty to teach to your kids?
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I seem to remember a time when a school had to send home a permission slip to be signed by parents that this type of class would be taught - and parents were given the choice to OPT-OUT of it.

What happened to this? Are parents now too stupid to know whats best for their own kids?
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What about PARENTAL RIGHTS?

Why isn't it up to the PARENTS to decide what is appropriate for a government agency to expose their childreen to? This really isn't about whether or not the kids should know, learn about this stuff. It's about whether the govenrment has the right to introduce anything it wants to your childreen. The fact that everyone is so ready to just hand over the raising of their own childreen to the government is freightening!

What if this wasn't a sex-ed class, but a pro-gun, pro-war or even perhaps a pro-genecide type of class? How would you then feel? What if it was a prayer class?

Don't you care what the schools have liberty to teach to your kids?
The problem is parents dont talk to their teenagers about this, if the school doesn't do it . They are left on their own to figure it out, then you have babies and diseases .
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Plus, I think it's hard to compare sensible sex-ed today with sensible sex-ed from 25 years ago.

Think about the differences. 25 years ago we had limited exposure to anythng sexual. If we were lucky, we found dad's penthouse, hustler, oui or swank...maybe a copy of some classic VCX release. Those were magical discoveries. "This is what Indiana Jones must have felt like," I remember thinking. These days, a kid can bring up a video of hardcore anal penetration while he's waiting for a pop tart.

Different times. Hard to compare.
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The problem is parents dont talk to their teenagers about this, if the school doesn't do it . They are left on their own to figure it out, then you have babies and diseases .

Oh, so the problem is that parents or both too LAZY and too STUPID?

If thats the case - then i suppose those parents would just sign the slip so they wouldn't be bothered. But this policy PUNISHES the good parents in an effort to do what bad parents fail to do. Since when is that a good thing?
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Why isn't it up to the PARENTS to decide what is appropriate for a government agency to expose their childreen to? This really isn't about whether or not the kids should know, learn about this stuff. It's about whether the govenrment has the right to introduce anything it wants to your childreen. The fact that everyone is so ready to just hand over the raising of their own childreen to the government is freightening!

What if this wasn't a sex-ed class, but a pro-gun, pro-war or even perhaps a pro-genecide type of class? How would you then feel? What if it was a prayer class?

Don't you care what the schools have liberty to teach to your kids?
My wife is very involved with the school and the problem is that not enough parents speak up and tell the schools whats acceptable for their children or are even involved enough to know the class is taking place. if the parent isn't involved enough to know the class is taking place and what will be taught then they probably aren't even prepared enough to have the talk with their own kids. or they do it too late because they don't want to face the fact that their kid is at risk.
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Plus, I think it's hard to compare sensible sex-ed today with sensible sex-ed from 25 years ago.

Think about the differences. 25 years ago we had limited exposure to anythng sexual. If we were lucky, we found dad's penthouse, hustler, oui or swank...maybe a copy of some classic VCX release. Those were magical discoveries. "This is what Indiana Jones must have felt like," I remember thinking. These days, a kid can bring up a video of hardcore anal penetration while he's waiting for a pop tart.

Different times. Hard to compare.


That is true - and one of the reasons why parenting is soo much more difficult today than 25 years ago. But, it still doesn't justify the government deciding what is appropriate and what is not.

I am all for an open discussion. I am all for a school program being graphic and detailed. BUT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT IN ADVANCE so I, as a responsible parent, can review the content and either A) remove my child, B) have a pre-discussion wiht my child or C) let the school proceed as planned.

I DONT see why this concept is so difficult to understand. And... who is teaching this class? Their regular teacher? Where did they train to provide this type of eduication? When were they trained how to talk to childreen about explicit sexual acts?
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My wife is very involved with the school and the problem is that not enough parents speak up and tell the schools whats acceptable for their children or are even involved enough to know the class is taking place. if the parent isn't involved enough to know the class is taking place and what will be taught then they probably aren't even prepared enough to have the talk with their own kids. or they do it too late because they don't want to face the fact that their kid is at risk.


BRAVO! that you are lucky enough to have a wife that cares as much as she does. You are truly a lucky man. It's nice to know I'm not hte last parent who cares...

I actually support the school teaching the class. I actually support a sex-ed class being taught at even earlier grade levels. I do however strongly oppose it being taught without parental notification, and by teachers who are not professionaly trained to handle that subjectmatter, and who don't understand the reasoning behind the kids reactions or questions.
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hehe sorry to hear that i hope she wont try it now i mean when i was 12 i didnt know thoose things
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That is true - and one of the reasons why parenting is soo much more difficult today than 25 years ago. But, it still doesn't justify the government deciding what is appropriate and what is not.

I am all for an open discussion. I am all for a school program being graphic and detailed. BUT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT IN ADVANCE so I, as a responsible parent, can review the content and either A) remove my child, B) have a pre-discussion wiht my child or C) let the school proceed as planned.

I DONT see why this concept is so difficult to understand. And... who is teaching this class? Their regular teacher? Where did they train to provide this type of eduication? When were they trained how to talk to childreen about explicit sexual acts?
If your involved with the school and talk to them regularly .. you can ask all those questions . I agree with you that you should have the chance to ask all those things and make those choices. I know that i will have a talk with my son before he takes that class and get him ready.
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Yo I agree that sex is a FACT of life... and kids are going to learn about it on their own regardless of what parents would like.

HOWEVER, IT'S TOO MUCH to go into Hardcore Details like - Anal Sex at a 12 year old level.

It's supposed to hepful Education...

Not a Masters Degree in Hardcore starting with Anal 101
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BRAVO! that you are lucky enough to have a wife that cares as much as she does. You are truly a lucky man. It's nice to know I'm not hte last parent who cares...

I actually support the school teaching the class. I actually support a sex-ed class being taught at even earlier grade levels. I do however strongly oppose it being taught without parental notification, and by teachers who are not professionaly trained to handle that subjectmatter, and who don't understand the reasoning behind the kids reactions or questions.
I'd be really pissed if i wasn't notified . that's one of the reasons that you really have to stay on top of the schools and be there as much as possible. plus you have to trust that your kid will give you the notice. I can see kids hiding that. my son is only 9 but i was told that they mail out a notice. I guess we'll see.
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That is fucked up for sure.
Teaching oral and anal sex in grade 6 is just wrong
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You are kidding me right? Do you know why they go into such detail now because 12 yr old girls are having sex all the time now. Yah its a harsh thing to understand but Id rather have my girl prepared because no matter how much you say no, it could still happen.
well lets stop for a minute and think about why kids are having sex at an earlier age. someone mentioned the easy access to sexual material. if this indeed causes kids to be sexual active earlier then i guess we are all to blame. could it because kids are left on their own more than ever and seek out what they think is love? could it because they see mom bringing home a different boyfriend every few months? could it be because media aimed at teens is more is increasingly sexual? why are kids having sex so early?
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Well, my boys KNOW that if they don't give me a school notice, their butts are TOAST! I trust them, only becuase they fear the consequences of being deceatful. Its a constant battle to stay on top of what they are beign exposed to. The school system in America is in the shitters! They are spending too much time trying to cater to all kids of special interest groups, and not enough time teaching the fundamentals. It doesn't look good for us long-term if this keeps up.


Best of luck to us few concerned and involved parents!
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well lets stop for a minute and think about why kids are having sex at an earlier age. someone mentioned the easy access to sexual material. if this indeed causes kids to be sexual active earlier then i guess we are all to blame. could it because kids are left on their own more than ever and seek out what they think is love? could it because they see mom bringing home a different boyfriend every few months? could it be because media aimed at teens is more is increasingly sexual? why are kids having sex so early?
Back two hundred years ago they were getting married at 12. Its not sexual material, its hormones and latch key kids.
http://www.aboutourkids.org/aboutour...hkey.html#home

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Back two hundred years ago they were getting married at 12. Its not sexual material, its hormones and latch key kids.
http://www.aboutourkids.org/aboutour...hkey.html#home
i don't really think you can compare today to 200 years ago. im talking maybe 20-40 years ago. 200 years ago life expectancy was very different. i agree about the latch key kids. you mention hormones. what do you guys think about the hormones in milk, plastics causing girls to develop earlier?
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Its remarkable to me - when people condone this type of crap.

Since WHEN did it become the STATES responsibility? And worse yet - since when do parents think its right for the STATE to decide whats RIGHT to teach their childreen?

Perhaps, we should jsut hand the little crumb-crunchers over to a state facility when they are school age so they can be raised by the state, who will send them back to their parents at age 18, endoctrinated with their carreers chosen for them based on what the state needs.
When parents not doing it forced the STATE and those it taxes to pay for aftermath of teenage mothers needing handouts and healthcare after STDs were transmitted.
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i think sex ed is a good idea but i don't see the reasoning behind discussing oral or anal sex. do you?
Because barring being sloppy, you don't get pregnant from either.
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