What's so taboo about someone's death?

[Huggles]

I don't get it.


This is an industry that makes bank off taboos. Gaping anal sex. Double anal, double vaginal, the "babysitter" fucking the husband while the wife is out. Teens for cash, tight grandmothers, mother daughter sex, slap happy, and some of those unconscious babe sites. etc etc etc... the list goes on and on.


What's so bad about getting some sig views about someone's death?


I could post a picture of Leah Love ( example ) crying with a prolapsed rectum and I'd get a stream of "Oh yeah sick!!! >thumbs up<" and "HOT", "Leah Love is so fine, where can I promote this video" or some slap happy clips showing chicks getting slapped hard, puking because they've choked on cock, some Max Hardcore stuff even, and I wouldn't hear a peep about pulling links, etc.


Ramos either has people who just don't like him flat out and are using this as an excuse, or...


Death is pretty much the final taboo. You just can't make fun of someone once they've died. Wait a sec, what about the DARWIN AWARDS? Those are given out when people die in odd ways, often fueled by absolute stupidity.


Anna Nicole was an extreme dieter, drank a lot, popped pills like no tomrorow. Look at the Mad TV video making fun of her. It seems in life people pulled no punches in making fun of her, but in death it becomes offensive to mock them?


Aaron M said it right, this is GFY, throw logic out the window.

[Jace]

my opinion is this....if someone respected on gfy had said the same thing and made light of it, it probably would have been all right. But when someone with a reputation like ramos says something like that, it is like adding fuel to the fire

While I don't find it in good taste to make light of any death of someone I didn't know, I don't really get offended by it...I didn't know them, why would I get offended? But when someone that took my valuable time, promised me something, didn't deliver, then came around and poked fun about how he didn't deliver, then I get a little upset when he spread negativity in other directions

I am simple minded though, I will be the first to admit it, but one thing I don't like is when people don't deliver and then call me names when I bring it up

so, yes, my digust for ramos didn't have much to do with the anna nicole thread, but more for straight head on disgust for Ramos

[Spunky]

Death isn't a taboo it is something everybody deserves when they pass..respect.regardless of your past.

[Jace]

i need to rephrase what I said....I said disgust...there is no digust....disappointment, yes, but not disgust

[cj_purve]

I think that we should respect anything we don't know about or understand ... none of us knows what's on the other side, so I guess I just believe we should respect those who have passed & send them positive energy for their journey ... it can't hurt.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Spunky

Death isn't a taboo it is something everybody deserves when they pass..respect.regardless of your past.

Hitler?
Stalin?
Pol Pot?

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Hitler?
Stalin?
Pol Pot?

Lets compare Anna Nicole to people who tortured and murdered millions.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Jace

my opinion is this....if someone respected on gfy had said the same thing and made light of it, it probably would have been all right. But when someone with a reputation like ramos says something like that, it is like adding fuel to the fire

Someone needs to tell me why people hate Ramos so much.


I met him at a show once, and because I did and shook his hand, I can vouch that he's a stand up guy. (Rule #1 of SoS)

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Lets compare Anna Nicole to people who tortured and murdered millions.

It's either EVERYONE deserves the same amount of respect in this world, I.E. murderers, butchers of lives, rapists, doctors who work for free in the 3rd world, philanthropists, or you have to earn it, or lose it.


Your choice.


Either you respect everyone equally, regardless of their actions, or you respect based upon their actions.


In this case, Anna Nicole doesn't seem to be very respectable, I, for one, cannot find many admirable qualities off hand about her. Lady Diana did a ton for the world and I'm sure many people laughed when Rotten.com originally put up the "Pirelli Princess" photoshop with a tire track over her face.

I guess if you were hot with big tits, GFY would miss you too.

[Spunky]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Hitler?
Stalin?
Pol Pot?

She was an entertainer,not a leader...apples and oranges.people have their own views on karma and death

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Huggles

It's either EVERYONE deserves the same amount of respect in this world, I.E. murderers, butchers of lives, rapists, doctors who work for free in the 3rd world, philanthropists, or you have to earn it, or lose it.


Your choice.


Either you respect everyone equally, regardless of their actions, or you respect based upon their actions.


In this case, Anna Nicole doesn't seem to be very respectable, I, for one, cannot find many admirable qualities off hand about her. Lady Diana did a ton for the world and I'm sure many people laughed when Rotten.com originally put up the "Pirelli Princess" photoshop with a tire track over her face.

I guess if you were hot with big tits, GFY would miss you too.

You talk about how one earns respect and then don't see the difference between Hitler and Anna? One slaughtered millions. One sold pills on late night commercials. You don't see a difference there?

The whole thing went into an uproar because many were looking for another reason to bash on Ramos. Then when he went into the thread and poked everyone that was condemning him, which he's done before, he fueled the fire.

I don't care about Anna any more than you do. I don't really care that she died. But I don't understand your total lack of compassion towards people either. Its one thing to not care, its another to prance around and call someone a deserving slut on the day they died.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Spunky

She was a entertainer,not a leader...apples and oranges.people have their own views on karma and death

I see, we can now categorize people! Is that a form of judgement?

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Sly

I don't care about Anna any more than you do. I don't really care that she died. But I don't understand your total lack of compassion towards people either. Its one thing to not care, its another to prance around and call someone a deserving slut on the day they died.

Really, she did nothing more than play russian roulette with alcohol, drugs, and live a lifestyle that promoted that to millions of other people. He cost her own son's life with her habits and then reproduced a second time to bring a daughter into her mess of a life.

People herald her as some sort of hero, alas, this is GFY though. I really should remember that.

I never said she was deserving of death, but certainly she must have known the risks she was taking with the dieting, drugs, stress, and lifestyle she lived. The Mad TV sketch was a chilling foreshadowing of the reality of her life and death.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Sly

You talk about how one earns respect and then don't see the difference between Hitler and Anna? One slaughtered millions. One sold pills on late night commercials. You don't see a difference there?

The whole thing went into an uproar because many were looking for another reason to bash on Ramos. Then when he went into the thread and poked everyone that was condemning him, which he's done before, he fueled the fire.

I don't care about Anna any more than you do. I don't really care that she died. But I don't understand your total lack of compassion towards people either. Its one thing to not care, its another to prance around and call someone a deserving slut on the day they died.

Damn you're nailing some fine posts today. Very well said.

[jayeff]

Originally Posted by Huggles

What's so bad about getting some sig views about someone's death?

It's just so predicatable. The only thing worse than BS is unimaginative BS.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Someone needs to tell me why people hate Ramos so much.


I met him at a show once, and because I did and shook his hand, I can vouch that he's a stand up guy. (Rule #1 of SoS)

Did you disappear from here for about a six month period last year? Ramos has a list of incidents that haven't endeared him to the adult webmaster community. If you're just now figuring this out, it might be wise to take a step back from your staunch defense of him until you become familiar with those incidents.

[Dirty Dane]

Who said death is taboo?

[Webby]

It's easy to comment on others without ever knowing them - and that's the usual scenario with public figures and celeb world.

Chances are, least in Nicole's instance - very few people actually "knew" her, including alleged close friends - and that condition existed long before she was "discovered".

Only my tho never knew anything about Anna Nicole, but from the small details released about her earlier life, just get very strong vibes that are very familiar and the most probable reason for a OD by another lady who was a "celeb" and a good friend who died at aged 34.

Got no clue about Anna Nicol - but if the background is what I smell it is, got plently sympathy for her and it's very unfortunate if it subsequently turns out she did take an escape route out of the confusion.

It's easy and flippant to make comments on people we never knew - apart from media reports. There is most likely *much* more under the surface that we will never know about Nicole - and it's none of our biz and matters little now anyways. RIP...

[SleazyDream]

some of us are in this business cause we like sex and porn and positive things-


some people are all fucked up and think porn is negative and assotiate other negative things like pain and death with it.

I don't like those people and i think they are idiots needing mental help

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

some of us are in this business cause we like sex and porn and positive things-


some people are all fucked up and think porn is negative and assotiate other negative things like pain and death with it.

I don't like those people and i think they are idiots needing mental help

This thread is only about the Ramos incident


I'm merely asking if it's too taboo to get sig views off someone's death?


I find it ironic that it would be considered taboo, of all things, on an adult forum

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by lazycash

Did you disappear from here for about a six month period last year? Ramos has a list of incidents that haven't endeared him to the adult webmaster community. If you're just now figuring this out, it might be wise to take a step back from your staunch defense of him until you become familiar with those incidents.

I am not defending Ramos at all dude, I am merely trying to figure out why a mere post about her death is taboo, when this industry is entirely based on presenting former taboos to the public. I hope that made sense.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

some of us are in this business cause we like sex and porn and positive things-


some people are all fucked up and think porn is negative and assotiate other negative things like pain and death with it.

I don't like those people and i think they are idiots needing mental help

Oh and another thing, what about violent porn like slaphappy and others? There are various degrees of pornography. Some of the stuff out there is brutal to watch and I have NO idea how anyone gets off on women getting slapped around until they cry while sucking/choking on a cock.

Then there is porn where Jordan Capri is smiling and dancing while shaking her ass and jumping in a pool. I can't say all porn falls under the same umbrella!

[Spunky]

Originally Posted by Huggles

This thread is only about the Ramos incident


I'm merely asking if it's too taboo to get sig views off someone's death?


I find it ironic that it would be considered taboo, of all things, on an adult forum

What's so taboo about someone's death?
I thought this was a general question based on the first post

[spooky181]

To start up a spam/business thread "in honour" of a girl who just died is as low as a business person can get.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Spunky

What's so taboo about someone's death?
I thought this was a general question based on the first post

Yeah, I'm still confused here, did Ramos catch so much shit because he's Ramos, or because the topic of someone's death is still taboo?


I do feel a little sorry for Anna, sorry that she didn't have anyone around her that cared enough to tell her what path she was going down. I guess she wasn't very close with any real family that loved her?

Are the doctors who kept prescribing her drugs, the weightloss company, the people who sold her booze partially responsible?

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by spooky181

To start up a spam/business thread "in honour" of a girl who just died is as low as a business person can get.

People make a ton of money off slaphappy videos, which are quite violent and demeaning towards the women in the videos.

Which is worse, to do something like that to another living person, or make a post using a dead person's name in your thread title? Ramos didn't say anything disrespectful about her, either.

See, you didn't explain WHY it's taboo, you merely repeated that it is.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by spooky181

To start up a spam/business thread "in honour" of a girl who just died is as low as a business person can get.

Business person?? You mean swamplife?

Sure.. sad and pathetic...

[Cash]

That is true, death is a taboo for most of the people ... probably it's hard to be explained, but you'll never find many people agreeing you can laugh about someone who just died ...

[spooky181]

Originally Posted by Huggles

People make a ton of money off slaphappy videos, which are quite violent and demeaning towards the women in the videos.

Which is worse, to do something like that to another living person, or make a post using a dead person's name in your thread title? Ramos didn't say anything disrespectful about her, either.

See, you didn't explain WHY it's taboo, you merely repeated that it is.

Those women in those videos are agreeing to appear and are being paid. As is everyone in porn. This freak is trying to make money out of somebody who has just died. For thousand of years we have respected the dead, but low lifes who have no respect for death/tradition is one big reason why our society is going down the crapper.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by spooky181

Those women in those videos are agreeing to appear and are being paid. As is everyone in porn. This freak is trying to make money out of somebody who has just died. For thousand of years we have respected the dead, but low lifes who have no respect for death/tradition is one big reason why our society is going down the crapper.

Heh, then we'd have to go into WHY these people are doing these videos? Are they completely happy with their own lives, their relationships with their own fathers, have they been sexually abused? Are they addicted to drugs? Should you film them if they're going to degrade themselves for drugs to make them feel better about something bad in life? Are you morally reprehensible for profiting off someone else's misery? Or maybe, they just like it rough!

Everything is not as cut and dry as we might imagine sometimes.

Wait a sec, having no respect for death or tradition... that would entail that someone would have to respect death or tradition in the first place. If Ramos was brought up in a family that had no traditions, and he wasn't religious and death meant nothing to him, can we fault Ramos for having such views?

If everyone else is going to respect everyone else on earth, then we cannot judge anyone for any views they may have, no matter how disgusting you may think their views are. As soon as you allow 1 judgement of someone, then all of a sudden all opinions are valid and you need to respect that.

My brain hurts

[spooky181]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Heh, then we'd have to go into WHY these people are doing these videos? Are they completely happy with their own lives, their relationships with their own fathers, have they been sexually abused? Are they addicted to drugs? Should you film them if they're going to degrade themselves for drugs to make them feel better about something bad in life? Are you morally reprehensible for profiting off someone else's misery? Or maybe, they just like it rough!

Everything is not as cut and dry as we might imagine sometimes.

Wait a sec, having no respect for death or tradition... that would entail that someone would have to respect death or tradition in the first place. If Ramos was brought up in a family that had no traditions, and he wasn't religious and death meant nothing to him, can we fault Ramos for having such views?

If everyone else is going to respect everyone else on earth, then we cannot judge anyone for any views they may have, no matter how disgusting you may think their views are. As soon as you allow 1 judgement of someone, then all of a sudden all opinions are valid and you need to respect that.

My brain hurts

You and Ramos are right, dead people deserve no respect. Well done..

[spooky181]

People have been making money for thousands of years off less than desirable means. Yes we all know it's not right, and to some this is a taboo, but to many it's just a way of getting by. But death and respecting someones death, is a basic ettiquette that we have all followed since the beginning of life.

[cones]

Is this guy really asking why double anal with toys isnt any different to death?

[Reak AGV]

Originally Posted by Huggles

I don't get it.


This is an industry that makes bank off taboos. Gaping anal sex. Double anal, double vaginal, the "babysitter" fucking the husband while the wife is out. Teens for cash, tight grandmothers, mother daughter sex, slap happy, and some of those unconscious babe sites. etc etc etc... the list goes on and on.

Sexual fantasies/desires they cant get with their wife, girlfriend or where ever in the life they live

[RRRED]

Originally Posted by Huggles

My brain hurts

As it should...

To shit talk is one thing, but to shit talk and disrespect a dead person is just simply disrespectful. To start a thread defending others who disrespect deal people and thier families is simply lame

I did not click Ramos's thread and I don't plan to either. But clearly, you must've seen that his thread had lots of views and chaos so you decided to follow suit and exploit the issue to the point where it's sad and very very bottomfeeder-like.

Doesn't anyone ever just shut the fuck up anymore and just be courteous once in a while in situations where it might be deserved? Someone's always gotta go on and on and drain us all with pointless attention whorism.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by spooky181

People have been making money for thousands of years off less than desirable means. Yes we all know it's not right, and to some this is a taboo, but to many it's just a way of getting by. But death and respecting someones death, is a basic ettiquette that we have all followed since the beginning of life.

No, many, many times in our history we have made death a public display, a public, very, very vulgar display.


I'm shocked that so many people find death a taboo subject when this business is all about bringing taboos to the populace to gawk at.


That is all.

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by Huggles

I'm shocked that so many people find death a taboo subject when this business is all about bringing taboos to the populace to gawk at.

This business is not about bringing all taboos, but bringing porn to the public. Get it?

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

This business is not about bringing all taboos, but bringing porn to the public. Get it?

Upon chatting with a few people on ICQ, it seems that Ramos tends to bring a lot of heat down upon himself, and posts that might not have made anyone fuming mad if written by anyone else, seems to have brought the pain for Ramos.

It would seem that death is the final taboo that is off-limits to be poked fun at in any way.

[Huggles]

p.s.

I have not done this to promote anything, or for sig views. I respect each and every one of your opinions and I find it fascinating to read your replies.

Death is a subject, natually, that I believe nobody wants to talk about. When it's brought to our attention like this it can be a rude wakeup call to everyone's mortality. When Ramos originally made that post, I figured it was in poor taste to promote anything while discussing someone's death. Saying something to the positive OR negative of Anna would at least be on topic, but instead it was an outright exploitation of the news of her demise. The people in those few threads shared many different opinions, but one overriding opinion was that death was still a taboo. Something I found interesting considering the boundries some extreme sites push.

Maybe I just over-analyze things sometimes, but it's interesting to hear how other people think about topics like these.

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Upon chatting with a few people on ICQ, it seems that Ramos tends to bring a lot of heat down upon himself, and posts that might not have made anyone fuming mad if written by anyone else, seems to have brought the pain for Ramos.

It would seem that death is the final taboo that is off-limits to be poked fun at in any way.

Well, if someone built up a bad reputation, then its their own fault. Death itself its not a taboo, however making fun at/exploit someones death is just stupid and disrespectful, especially when we talk about someone in this industry. Yeah, Anna was part of this industry too, playmate at Playboy, which bought GFY! Forward Ramos' post to Hugh Hefner, which was personal friend of Anna, and ask if he think the post was funny....

Btw, I don't agree that death is the 'final' taboo, I think incest and sexual abuse of children is much worse. And just because its taboo, and this industry is "bringing taboos", does not make it right to bring it, even if it is illegal? Or does it, in your opinion?

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Well, if someone built up a bad reputation, then its their own fault. Death itself its not a taboo, however making fun at/exploit someones death is just stupid and disrespectful, especially when we talk about someone in this industry. Yeah, Anna was part of this industry too, playmate at Playboy, which bought GFY! Forward Ramos' post to Hugh Hefner, which was personal friend of Anna, and ask if he think the post was funny....

Btw, I don't agree that death is the 'final' taboo, I think incest and sexual abuse of children is much worse. And just because its taboo, and this industry is "bringing taboos", does not make it right to bring it, even if it is illegal? Or does it, in your opinion?

How much of a personal friend was he? If anything is really sad about this situation is that her mother was on Larry King only a few weeks ago upset and worried for Nicole. Why wasn't anyone close to her trying to get her some help? This didn't need to happen. There's too much money involved though and I would not be surprised if that people close to her encouraged her to take even more pills to feel "better". The Mad TV sketch was a very odd thing to watch as it basically made it completely clear to people that nobody cared about her except for the money.

I remember reading some magazine in my doctor's office, which stated something to the affect that as the current extremes of pornography become less and less shocking, people will seek out the illegal stuff to get the same "high" as they did when they first witnessed something that shocked them. It was a biased anti-porn article for sure, but of all the crap they had in there that was the most plausible thing I can recall. One of the sites I promote, Rage Cash's mother daughter fuck, is NOT an incest site, but has the "mother" and "daughter" tag-teaming a guy. It sells incredibly well for me because of the taboo behind it. No, I don't believe it's the adult industry's job to bring out all taboos, especially not the illegal ones. ( In some countries, beast sex is legal, so at least some people think it's cool to bang a sheep! ) If I lived in Holland and I had sheepbangers.com where I drove around, picked up sheep and banged them in the back of a van before taking them to the slaughter house and then eating them for dinner in a nice curry, would you think I was disturbed? ( Holy crap, that's a good idea for a site... )


I think as far as a business standpoint goes, if it's legal and it makes money, why not? It's only your personal limitations that would get in the way.

If Ramos ended up getting praised by those he works for, for getting several new affiliates today that send sales, would you admire his "skill" at creating a buzz, or still look down at him for exploiting someone's death?

I suppose then the only answer here is that people do not like Ramos because he'll do anything for a buck.

[Jack_Daniels]

Originally Posted by Huggles

People make a ton of money off slaphappy videos, which are quite violent and demeaning towards the women in the videos.

"slaphappy videos"

Tell me something, are you playing with a full deck? I mean really?

[chaze]

There is still some fellow respect here, in fact It's here allot. We just notice the jerk offs more.

Squishy for example.

Seriously though there is allot of class acts here.

but for Anna she set her path a long time ago, I'm surprised she made it this far.

[Agent 488]

if you even have to ask that you're a fucking idiot.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by RRRED

As it should...

To shit talk is one thing, but to shit talk and disrespect a dead person is just simply disrespectful. To start a thread defending others who disrespect deal people and thier families is simply lame

I did not click Ramos's thread and I don't plan to either. But clearly, you must've seen that his thread had lots of views and chaos so you decided to follow suit and exploit the issue to the point where it's sad and very very bottomfeeder-like.

Doesn't anyone ever just shut the fuck up anymore and just be courteous once in a while in situations where it might be deserved? Someone's always gotta go on and on and drain us all with pointless attention whorism.

Cha ching

Best post in this thread so far.