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F U S I O N 02-08-2007 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bausch (Post 11879348)
Did they say anything about inspecting secondary producers in the future? Like gallery submitters.. etc??

Id be interested in hearing about this too.

MikeSmoke 02-08-2007 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 11880482)
Good article.

As for the people working from home.

It's the governments job to protect underage people being exploited or getting themselves exploited by working in porn, being sexually molested, abused, etc. Even if they turn up at the studio and demand a part in a gang bang movie.

It's not the governments job to put under age people at risk so you can run a porn business from your living room. Go get an office.

Not everyone runs the same kind of business as you, Paul.
SOME people sit in their home office, simply editing and uploading material shot in different cities, different states, or different countries - with no business contacts of any kind (underaged or 60 years old, male or female, porn chicks or content salesmen) setting foot in their house.
In 2007, millions of people work from home.
Not one of them is required to put their home address on the web, except for us.
There ARE people in this business who don't shoot porn themselves, Paul.

Adultnet 02-08-2007 07:23 AM

nice read :) thanks

ThreeDeviants 02-08-2007 07:41 AM

Very informative, thanks very much for sharing this information

Catalyst 02-08-2007 07:55 AM

this is a great thread..

Jman 02-08-2007 08:02 AM

Thanks for the post ;-)

scoreman 02-08-2007 08:43 AM

I think its worth pointing out again that the FBI is doing the job of inspections only. The actual responsibility for reviewing the results of the inspections and making the decisions on whether to prosecute comes from the Department of Justice Attorneys. Chad's insight into the Federal prosecutors having large caseloads and passing over cases deemed to insignificant is also on the money.

That said it is also worth saying that there is a difference between prosecutors passing on a drug case when they have 135 similar drug cases with larger amounts of contraband and the DOJ passing on prosecuting a 2257 case because the adult company only had a "few violations". The main differences include political agendas and desire to show that the money spent on 2257 inspections has yielded a positive result (i.e. convictions, jail time, fines and asset forfeitures). I do not think it is wise for adult companies to view 2257 as something where you can expect the DOJ to pass on the opportunity to prosecute should the FBI inspections yield some violations. The DOJ has specific instructions from Congress to report the results of 2257 inspections. Those reporting instructions as I recall are written right into either the 2257 or 4472 legislation. If the DOJ is required to stand before a Congressional committee and detail what they have done, I do not think the DOJ is likely to give free passes out for violations. I hope I am wrong on this.

For what it is worth, what the FBI said at the XBiz show closely tracks what the FBI said to those present at the meeting in Washington DC in October 2006. Some things said at the XBiz show that were new include the fact that the FBI has been fully funded for 2007 inspections and has in fact increased the amount of agents committed to this job. There was only one team in October and now they are indicating that they have two.

The comment "If you're showing intention to comply, the chances of prosecution are virtually nil" should be taken with caution, since again the FBI are not the ones who will be making the decision on whether to prosecute, its DOJ attorneys who have that role. At the October meeting, the room included an attorney from the DOJ and on a few occasions Burrus referred to her as to whether the DOJ would prosecute on a few hypotheticals posed by the collection of adult attorneys present. This rep did not seem to have a clear idea on whether or not minor violations would be given a pass or not. She indicated that she would have to take the issue up with her superiors.

Sarah_Jayne 02-08-2007 08:43 AM

Thanks for this thread...I am curious if anybody asked about a stance regarding non-USA based webmasters..doubt it but curious.

stickyfingerz 02-08-2007 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 11880482)
Good article.

As for the people working from home.

It's the governments job to protect underage people being exploited or getting themselves exploited by working in porn, being sexually molested, abused, etc. Even if they turn up at the studio and demand a part in a gang bang movie.

It's not the governments job to put under age people at risk so you can run a porn business from your living room. Go get an office.

I have a very nice office. Its 18x18 with a nice view of the street. If Im working in my office during the day then there is a nanny here that watches my children. If Im working here at night my wife watches them. If we are shooting here there are no children present or my wife present they go to someones house, or find something else to do and call prior to coming home.

There are some other very big names that do the same thing. Its easy for you though I suppose if you have any kids they are probably middle aged by now.. :winkwink: *Pokes fun*

MaDalton 02-08-2007 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc (Post 11882298)
Thanks for this thread...I am curious if anybody asked about a stance regarding non-USA based webmasters..doubt it but curious.

they can come to Czech Republic anytime if they want :glugglug

i just doubt that anyone will listen to them here :)

GCD1 02-08-2007 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bausch (Post 11879348)
Did they say anything about inspecting secondary producers in the future? Like gallery submitters.. etc??

Bumping to ask also -- Chad, did they address secondary producers such as who use affiliate programs?

tony286 02-08-2007 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11882755)
I have a very nice office. Its 18x18 with a nice view of the street. If Im working in my office during the day then there is a nanny here that watches my children. If Im working here at night my wife watches them. If we are shooting here there are no children present or my wife present they go to someones house, or find something else to do and call prior to coming home.

There are some other very big names that do the same thing. Its easy for you though I suppose if you have any kids they are probably middle aged by now.. :winkwink: *Pokes fun*

The FBI comes in to check your records, with local police which they can do and they see kids in the house. It will be off to foster care for the kids, if you think they will take your word the kids are never here when you shoot porn.Your living in a fantasy world. Now I know you know it all but something to ponder.You consider yourself a big name? Thats classic lol Big names if they produce porn have a office.

stickyfingerz 02-08-2007 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 11883259)
The FBI comes in to check your records, with local police which they can do and they see kids in the house. It will be off to foster care for the kids, if you think they will take your word the kids are never here when you shoot porn.Your living in a fantasy world. Now I know you know it all but something to ponder.You consider yourself a big name? Thats classic lol Big names if they produce porn have a office.

Well lets see Tony smart guy. The custodian of Records is my partner that is single with no children. Please play again.

Did I call myself a big name? If you were really smart you would figure out who I was referring to. Im glad you are here for everyone to benefit from your knowledge. Thank God for that! :1orglaugh

Btw you think they just take kids without proof? lol Big brother is gonna get us all muhahaha lol

james_clickmemedia 02-08-2007 02:15 PM

Good info.








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tony286 02-08-2007 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11883517)
Well lets see Tony smart guy. The custodian of Records is my partner that is single with no children. Please play again.

Did I call myself a big name? If you were really smart you would figure out who I was referring to. Im glad you are here for everyone to benefit from your knowledge. Thank God for that! :1orglaugh

Btw you think they just take kids without proof? lol Big brother is gonna get us all muhahaha lol

once again you know everything and i was trying to give you aheads up but you know better. if they have proof you are running a porn business out of your house thats all they need.You said other big names work out of their homes, can be taken you see yourself as a big name.

teh ghey 02-08-2007 02:24 PM

Wow thanks a lot Chad. That is very good news and he sounded reasonable.

Mr. Jim 02-08-2007 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 11884188)
once again you know everything and i was trying to give you aheads up but you know better. if they have proof you are running a porn business out of your house thats all they need.You said other big names work out of their homes, can be taken you see yourself as a big name.

You have become one of the industry's most irritating people. You are a jack ass who just runs his mouth and most of the time you have no clue what you are saying. You are the worst kind of webmaster an entitled blow hard who continues to bash anyone who is not some nobody like you.

change your name to to BooHooTony

It's always something with you whining about this and whining about that always talking shit about big companies and acting like somebody has wronged you... work harder... make more money... and stop fucking crying about everything and everyone.

Quentin 02-08-2007 03:49 PM

Chad - do you think it's fair to say that, whatever a regulatory agency may state as its intent, and the limit of the scope of its investigations with respect to the regulations it is charged with enforcing, it is far more comforting to have such limitations and intentions codified in the statutory language of the laws/regulations themselves?

It seems to me that while the assurances of an FBI agent are good, limiting construction in the statutes/regulations themselves would be substantially better.

That said, I wholeheartedly agree that the actual risk of being prosecuted for minor infractions under section 2257 is far lower than some observers have suggested. Convincing a federal judge to hand out 5 year sentences for what amounts to a simple filing error (assuming that the violation in question involves not a lack of records, but a simple error in keeping those records) would likely be a tough sell for a prosecutor.

- Q.

tony286 02-08-2007 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Jim (Post 11884481)
You have become one of the industry's most irritating people. You are a jack ass who just runs his mouth and most of the time you have no clue what you are saying. You are the worst kind of webmaster an entitled blow hard who continues to bash anyone who is not some nobody like you.

change your name to to BooHooTony

It's always something with you whining about this and whining about that always talking shit about big companies and acting like somebody has wronged you... work harder... make more money... and stop fucking crying about everything and everyone.

lets see
in this thread I was right https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/704350-xxx-happened-xbiz-people.html
in this thread I was right :https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/704036-picked-hdv-panasonic-camera-2.html

and that was just today , you really have no idea what your talking about. I was trying to actually protect him but you rather attack me. I guess thats more fun,I praise people all the time. If you read more then a few times you would know that.
In fact I thanked Chad for taking the time to do this thread.

greasedonkey 02-08-2007 07:02 PM

You rock Chad! Thank for that information.

Jace 02-08-2007 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Jim (Post 11884481)
You have become one of the industry's most irritating people. You are a jack ass who just runs his mouth and most of the time you have no clue what you are saying. You are the worst kind of webmaster an entitled blow hard who continues to bash anyone who is not some nobody like you.

change your name to to BooHooTony

It's always something with you whining about this and whining about that always talking shit about big companies and acting like somebody has wronged you... work harder... make more money... and stop fucking crying about everything and everyone.

wow, that was a terribly sad argument you just made....you basically took a heated debate/discussion and reduced it to a 3rd grade name calling fight

jesus, did you just turn 12 or something?

Mr. Jim 02-08-2007 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 11885699)
lets see
in this thread I was right https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/704350-xxx-happened-xbiz-people.html
in this thread I was right :https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/704036-picked-hdv-panasonic-camera-2.html

and that was just today , you really have no idea what your talking about. I was trying to actually protect him but you rather attack me. I guess thats more fun,I praise people all the time. If you read more then a few times you would know that.
In fact I thanked Chad for taking the time to do this thread.

I could give a fuck if you are the chairman of the annual praiseathon.

You attacked people I know and did not even handle it like a man and say I guess I owe you an apology for stating things about you that are untrue. Like cry baby you continued with your accusations.


You attacked people without any proof... just your very vivid and active imagination and you were proved wrong and most of your bitching and complining is that of a jaded guy who cannot figure out how to take his business to the next level. I know Joan Irvine and I know Alec Helmy and they are both very nice upstanding and honest people and you challenged their integrity with aggression.

Did you make a public apology to Helmy... NO instead you didnt like how he answered the question that proved you wrong and now after Joan tells the forum as a matter of record now that they are not and will not accept frunding from ICM...you come back with your conspiracy theories. Sometimes the facts are the facts. I know what I hear and saw you post old links and paint the people you mention as being evil and predatory.

So tell me now I do not understand... I was there you fucking blow hard. I am somebody who stood up with a voice you are a glorified board troll who siots and whasaaaaa whaaaaaa I came up with this in my imagination and will now pass it off as fact whaaaaa whaaaaaa.

... I just had enough of listening to your complete and utter bullshit and want to let you know some of us who know the people you slander are tired of hearing it. You want to mix it up with me fine.... tune into your xbiz.com stream this evening... you might just get your fifteen minutes of fame tonight.

I am telling you right now you are bringing a knife to a gunfight... and I'm holstered and tapping the grip. You like to talk shit about people in public i will one up you i will humilate you in front of the industry leaders and have no problem doing it. You are going to be the example of why trolling can backfire in 2007.

You may not think I know what I am talking about...fine....the 1300 people at the highlands tonight may differ... ever see the bully get his ass whipped and not know when to stay down....stay down Tony

Jace 02-08-2007 07:17 PM

what is the xbiz.com stream? never heard of that

xenilk 02-08-2007 07:23 PM

Great thread!

tony286 02-08-2007 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Jim (Post 11885778)
I could give a fuck if you are the chairman of the annual praiseathon.

You attacked people I know and did not even handle it like a man and say I guess I owe you an apology for stating things about you that are untrue. Like cry baby you continued with your accusations.


You attacked people without any proof... just your very vivid and active imagination and you were proved wrong and most of your bitching and complining is that of a jaded guy who cannot figure out how to take his business to the next level. I know Joan Irvine and I know Alec Helmy and they are both very nice upstanding and honest people and you challenged their integrity with aggression.

Did you make a public apology to Helmy... NO instead you didnt like how he answered the question that proved you wrong and now after Joan tells the forum as a matter of record now that they are not and will not accept frunding from ICM...you come back with your conspiracy theories. Sometimes the facts are the facts. I know what I hear and saw you post old links and paint the people you mention as being evil and predatory.

So tell me now I do not understand... I was there you fucking blow hard. I am somebody who stood up with a voice you are a glorified board troll who siots and whasaaaaa whaaaaaa I came up with this in my imagination and will now pass it off as fact whaaaaa whaaaaaa.

... I just had enough of listening to your complete and utter bullshit and want to let you know some of us who know the people you slander are tired of hearing it. You want to mix it up with me fine.... tune into your xbiz.com stream this evening... you might just get your fifteen minutes of fame tonight.

I am telling you right now you are bringing a knife to a gunfight... and I'm holstered and tapping the grip. You like to talk shit about people in public i will one up you i will humilate you in front of the industry leaders and have no problem doing it. You are going to be the example of why trolling can backfire in 2007.

You may not think I know what I am talking about...fine....the 1300 people at the highlands tonight may differ... ever see the bully get his ass whipped and not know when to stay down....stay down Tony

Ok you are off the deep end, I gave you a letter written by joan and Im making it up? Then your threatening me? Cant figure out to make money,I invented a new fucking niche. lol I have helped more people then you could imagine I love my industry and my business and I will call out the bullshit that affects my pocket. I dont have to popular.

Mr. Jim 02-08-2007 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 11885762)
wow, that was a terribly sad argument you just made....you basically took a heated debate/discussion and reduced it to a 3rd grade name calling fight

jesus, did you just turn 12 or something?

How cute a Tony super fan...

I know the people you are talking shit about and they are undeserving so you want to turn this into a flame war let's go...

You people attacked people and you were proved wrong... Joan Irvine is a sweet lady who has no reason to be attacked.

I could care less aboutyour opinion of my writing you are like a little troll gang who like to stir shit up and when a bigger dog bites back you go right back to your cry baby ways. This was about Tony and not you so now you are in this too. Your types harrass people and just expect people to just sit back and submissively and say nothing... In ten years of being in this community i have never sat quiet and do not expect to start because some ... I'm sorry what do you do.... comes in and plays superhero

Good... more material.

I dont like the guy and he has no respect for others and now I am going to attack in kind so people know what it feels like to be attacked in public. and if someone is too ignorant to get the message with articulate reponses I am by no means beneath resorting to calling people names to raise awareness to the character they have exhibited.

It was a sad argument to someone who refuses to take fact over conspiracy theories and attack hard working people who have good intentions. The facts are out in the open and frankly I resented your tone, position, and accusations when discussing the topic. had the truth come to support your attacks I might have felt differently. This is what happens when you attack friends right JACE... others who are your friends will step up is that not what you are doing here the difference is my friends happen to be the people you all sit around and make up your fantasy conspiracy theories about.

I am here in the mix taking part... you guys are like band geeks putting down the football team from the sidelines under your breath.

So keep them coming Johnny big time... get your little gang to attack

bausch 02-08-2007 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GCD1 (Post 11883215)
Bumping to ask also -- Chad, did they address secondary producers such as who use affiliate programs?

I've been wondering this too.

tony286 02-08-2007 07:38 PM

This is really bothering me I never lied and slander no one, I dont agree with you and Im a troll? Those are her words she wrote, its not that old. Did she write a new letter to icann giving the new point of view? This isnt a game, its our livihood. If Alec meant to say no why didnt he just say it, instead of having Stephen do it ,then trying to bait Mike South before finally Im against it? Doesnt that seem fishy to you? My Dad taught me to question everything. Alec owns the paper of record for the industry, I wrote praise for it all the time. When I question now im a troll who lies and slander, when I show you where I got the info after you said I made it up.Im still a liar. This is crazy and not worth it . Im sorry this upsets you that much. If you feel the need to bash me because someone gives you a mike be my guest. The people who know me, know its not true. You want to beat me up thats fine also I will be at cybernet.

Mr. Jim 02-08-2007 07:41 PM

Do you know Joan you fucking jerk?

I do and I had a conversation with her abou tthis subject and she told me to my face that she is not for or against them and YOU MOTHER FUCKER YOU accused her of taking money... that is slander.... do you understand that... people you do not know are upset because you are spreading lies...

Do not take your one fact and dismiss you have acted like an asshole for the last week and you have made accusations about people that proved to be wrong...you know you have. I was unaware you were the new FM of the industry... forgive me for not knowing what a great big deal you are.

I could care less if you like me or not...honestly. I am not so fond of you or those like you. Again... you attacked people and were proved wrong...now you are grasping for air. So continue on with your little tabloid conspiracy comments.

And the only deep end I am off on is the one to make you look like a jackass for actinf like one. I look forward to your keynote speaking engagements about your monumental accomplishments.

People...this is what you have to contend with when you fire the first shot at people who are tired of board bullies.

Jace 02-08-2007 07:42 PM

Mr. Jim, what affiliation do you have with xbiz?

BVF 02-08-2007 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 11884188)
once again you know everything and i was trying to give you aheads up but you know better. if they have proof you are running a porn business out of your house thats all they need.You said other big names work out of their homes, can be taken you see yourself as a big name.

What Tony is saying is BULLSHIT...I went through a nasty divorce in OHIO and I remember in a hearing the Judge saying that he has no problem with me shooting porn and told my ex-wife's lawyer not to try to use the fact that I'm running a LEGAL business for "shock value"....And even though I don't do it now, back then I was bring models back to the house and shooting them there..

And believe me, I went through the whole child custody shabang where my ex-wife used porn as the center focus...

Mr. Jim 02-08-2007 07:45 PM

It bothers me becuse your "question" was answered and you acted like a dickhead trying to get your answer... you accused them of supporting since Tony Whaaa whaaa did not get his answer the way "HE" wanted it.

I read the thread many times and you come off as pompous, accusing, and all knowing...and what really twiasted me was this quote "It was the way he answered it"

Who the fuck do you think you are? You do not go after seasoned veterans with that kind of recless abandon and think it will go without being challenged on your conduct.

Tune in tonight... you have inspired me...

Jace 02-08-2007 07:47 PM

once again, tune into what? who are you?

give links

Mr. Jim 02-08-2007 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 11885892)
Mr. Jim, what affiliation do you have with xbiz?


I watched the brand grow from the day he started it and I knew Alec when he was a humble hardworking webmaster.

As a close personal friend he asked me to MC his awards show and i have been doing it since 2004.

I do it becase he is a good guy with a good heart and works very hard to be the best non bias pub in the industry period... no conspiracy theries I dont get awards for it I am not nom inated as a result of that etc.

I know some facts about the people you are talking about. i have known them for a long time before Xbiz was up and when Joan started with ASACP and i say it again they have no reason to be attacked. If you knew them as I do you would know they are sweet genuine honorable people who should not have to defend themselves in a public forum because virtual strangers are spreading what they believe the "deal" is....

.xxx has no love for asacp and if you were there yesterday you would know that.

The irony you are upset with me becuse I am willing to step in and stand up to your gang attacks on people who are just nice hard working people.

tony286 02-08-2007 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Jim (Post 11885902)
It bothers me becuse your "question" was answered and you acted like a dickhead trying to get your answer... you accused them of supporting since Tony Whaaa whaaa did not get his answer the way "HE" wanted it.

I read the thread many times and you come off as pompous, accusing, and all knowing...and what really twiasted me was this quote "It was the way he answered it"

Who the fuck do you think you are? You do not go after seasoned veterans with that kind of recless abandon and think it will go without being challenged on your conduct.

Tune in tonight... you have inspired me...

First BVF go lookup polk county , lady had a small solo girl website .They were going to take her kids away and charge her with obscenity. To tell someone to be careful is a bad thing ?
Ive been in the adult biz since I was 18 yrs old, from strip clubs to jack shacks to the net thats over 20yrs actually god Im old. Im not new. Once again I gave you letter she wrote to the icann which votes on .xxx and im the asshole.All I know of her is the letter she wrote to the governing body and Im wrong.I dont see no new letter from her to icann please show me if Im wrong I will write her a personal apology. I dont understand, I made up nothing. This is my fucking livihood not a game. I challenged here all the time, been called a bunch of names. Also to attack me where I cant defend myself is very grownup, anyone can come on here.

Mr. Jim 02-08-2007 07:55 PM

I have been working with the biggest brands in this business for ten years. Hustler, Vivid, Penthouse, Club, dozens of video companies, Webquest, CyberAge, Holio, Howard Stern, Deja Vu, Club Jenna, Max Cash, and the list AVN, Webair, CE, VS Media, goes on and on and on from there....

I host the awards show and thats what I am talking about

Mr. Jim 02-08-2007 07:57 PM

830pm pst xbiz.com vs media is streaming the awards...

Jace 02-08-2007 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Jim (Post 11885928)
I watched the brand grow from the day he started it and I knew Alec when he was a humble hardworking webmaster.

As a close personal friend he asked me to MC his awards show and i have been doing it since 2004.

I do it becase he is a good guy with a good heart and works very hard to be the best non bias pub in the industry period... no conspiracy theries I dont get awards for it I am not nom inated as a result of that etc.

I know some facts about the people you are talking about. i have known them for a long time before Xbiz was up and when Joan started with ASACP and i say it again they have no reason to be attacked. If you knew them as I do you would know they are sweet genuine honorable people who should not have to defend themselves in a public forum because virtual strangers are spreading what they believe the "deal" is....

.xxx has no love for asacp and if you were there yesterday you would know that.

The irony you are upset with me becuse I am willing to step in and stand up to your gang attacks on people who are just nice hard working people.

why do you keep lumping me into all this like I have played a major part in these fights? if you go back and check threads I think I posted a total of 2 times, and once was to try and calm some people down.

yes, I know Tony away from the boards, and I know he means well, and yes I know he can push pretty hard, but that is no reason for him to get threats of violence and guns, that is just hillbilly schoolyard crap.

I am only upset with the fact that when you and your friends are pushed you turn from professional to name callers, from the way I saw things standing on the outside, some people didn't agree with you, the argument got heated, and you and your friends all the sudden turned into some internet gang threatening violence.

I purposely have stayed out of these fights because I am a firm believer that no matter what we do or say, what happens is going to happen, we can't change what is already set in stone...so, please don't lump me into a group, I am on my own here.

tony286 02-08-2007 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Jim (Post 11885941)
I have been working with the biggest brands in this business for ten years. Hustler, Vivid, Penthouse, Club, dozens of video companies, Webquest, CyberAge, Holio, Howard Stern, Deja Vu, Club Jenna, Max Cash, and the list AVN, Webair, CE, VS Media, goes on and on and on from there....

I host the awards show and thats what I am talking about

Your going to trash me at the awards show? The shame is if you knew me you would know Im a very stand up guy, who is very loyal and a nice guy who has no tolerance for bullshit that affects my pocket.
Jim I hope your right about everything and Im very wrong. I dont know these people personally so all I have to go by are their actions on line. I will say one more time because this is my honor I have never made up or slandered anyone. Also if Im wrong you can go on here look there a bunch of times I have said im sorry.I have no problem doing that.

tony286 02-08-2007 08:04 PM

I also think people get all dressed up to go to awards show dont want to hear about what asshole I am. If they read these boards either they agree or disagree with that already.


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