program I dont think so, a profitable website it can be done

$10k sure. If you use EU billing that saves you $750 off the bat, enough for a decent 1 page reality style episode tour, make your own join page from that.

Content I got a quote the other day exclusive niche for $600 per set, do that and some non-exclusive for filler.

Chuck in your server cost into the mix as well, unless you are already bringing that to the table. Then there is stats software unless u use a 3rd party default setup.

I would push the site yourself, dun worry about buggering about with affs. Go invite and let a few of your mates in and your laughing.

-N

Sell it to playboy, and we split it. :thumbsup

Can someone please enlighten me on the 750$ visa fee?

You can, don't listen to them. 1 paysite start with some dvd content in a niche and promote it yourself. You'll make your money back.

This is of course if you're a hard worker and can drive your own traffic.

Sorry I miss read the thread...

To start a program? Hell no. To start a paysite that you can push yourself, then build from that. Yes.

Peace.

uh huh. :upsidedow

That's one way to look at it. Ufnortunately, if everyone was easily discouraged, new businesses and sites won't be built. It's all about pursuing one's passion and vision on a shoestring budget and ramping up.

To the threadstarter: Don't let negativity and self-doubt be barriers to your success... prove the doubters WRONG, buddy. You can do it!

If someone can point me to the 750$ VISA fee information it would be greatly appreciated.

I think businesses are built in a professional manner: they're properly planned, funded, and then executed. Skimping on any of those is a recipe for disaster.

Yes but redoing somethign that has already been done isn't gonna bring this business any further...

Actually some little guys bring a lot of improvement into the game...

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i think you should cunsult him :winkwink:


















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$10k per week, Yes. :)

No matter what you spend it will be a waste if you don't have the traffic to send to the site, or traffic deals in place ahead of time.

If you think you're going to make an announcement on GFY about your new program and people will flock to promote it, think again.

hell no.....

there's the answer.

Depends on the skills you have. Takes a lot more than money to start a business, any business.

It would be nice to have a bit more money but is it doable, YES.

you have to be able to know what will sell and how to sell it.

Lets say you want to start a decent program with 3 exclusive sites. First you need the content for the sites. Lets start with 10 'episodes' + 5 extra episodes for the first updates. Thats 15 episodes times 3 = 45 episodes. Depending on the producer, exclusive scenes can cost between $500 - $1000+ per scene. Lets go for something in between: $ 750 x 45 = $ 33,750

Ok now you have the content, you need hosting, processing, affiliate software, etc etc. So no, with $10K you can not start a decent affiliate program.

maybe it's enough to start a paysite, but definitely not enough for a program. figure the cost of processing, nats, employees and advertising, should be a lot more than 10k.

What if you start with nothing but brand new good non exclusive porn, 1 site, CCBILL affiliate program?

It would be tough but it is possible. just tough. Best to start out with one site and your own traffic and some review site traffic.

I dont think 10K is enough

10k is pushing it, even with crappy purchased content. Even with non-exclusive content, 20k would be a safer number.

With full exclusive, and a decent setup, and shooting it all yourself... you're looking closer to $75k.

$10k is plenty if you already have a stable source of traffic. Be it your own traffic, or loyal friends with traffic. As long as you can produce more profit per click then sending it to the other 10000 aff programs already out there.

Really it depends on what he would call sucessful..

I personally think it could be done, but you wouldn't do it using nats and hiring employees. You would have to open up a single paysite under your program using CCBill for the billing.

You wouldn't break any sales records the first year or so, but I bet you anything it could be done. You just couldn't expect to hire out all the work, and you had better be able to do damn near everything yourself at least in the start.

I think the easiest way to do it would be using a solo girl that you could have access to shoot later, but that's risky as well because she may flake out later. Personally I think as long as you could find a hot girl, I think a "cheap" looking site with amateurish photo shoots would do well and be much cheaper to produce if you were doing all the shooting your self.

frankly the budget is not all that matters
if you don't know what you're doing you'll fail even with 100k

You mean webmasters are too blinkered to think for themselves?????

No that can't be right. :1orglaugh

Problem is so many who rely on keeping them in the fold are the ones they follow and listen to.

If you can send 5 sign ups a day to other people why can't you send it to your own site and bounce it on exit to your present sponsors?

Why does everyone assume that affiliates are a lot of hard work? Truth is the ones who send sign ups are not.

This business is about sign ups and nothing else. If you know why a surfer BUYS porn you are at the starting line. If you don't keep throwing mud at a wall and traffic as your GOD.

Well, after reading this thread, I am even more confused. Everyone has such wildly differing opinions. So, it seems like you have to be:

• Lucky
• Able to weasel your way into criminally good deals
• Ridiculously hard working

To make it on a $10k investment. Is this right?

It is actually possible to produce something profitable, but not everyone could do it. Would that be a fair summary?

If it's a PPS program and you are going to cut all sorts of corners and pinch every penny out of the traffic, it's been done. However if you want to run a legit paysite that offers members something they actually like (and you get the rebills), $10,000 isn't even enough for one site.

Remember that probably 98% of the people who answered do not run their own paysite and really do not know if it's possible or not.... :)

but seriously, why the need to start a program? or do you just want to be "cool"? ;)

why not concentrate on blogs, galleries, SEO or whatever you're doing now?

as someone said, it's not that you gonna announce your program here and everyone will jump on it

most people will say "congrats dude, looking good", without even looking at it and that's it :helpme

I don't think I am going to start my own program, at least, not any time soon. I am merely giving people some food for thought and learning in the process. I've been involved in starting a program before, but back then I was working 9-5 for that particular company, and technicalities of it were very different to what I expect now.

Basically I see a plethora of sponsors doing nothing 'new' or 'interesting' really except turning over a small profit. But I am interested in profits. :)

how do you know if most of the small sponsors that start nowadays makes any profit which makes it worth running a program?

for me to start a program, it involves a certain new level of responsibility, dealing with affiliates, processors, customers, content producers and keeping an eye on all the technical things

clearly, it should bring in substantially higher profits than submitting galleries or playing with PPC SE's or running blogs, in order to make it worth the effort

Why substantially higher profits? Because it would involve a substantially higher workload?

The point is, that if the program developed nicely, your workload handling it all could slowly taper off after a few years, as you got other people involved to handle your tasks. At that point you could either put even more hard work and long hours in and try to grow something really huge, or, you could essentially just have token involvement - and let it run itself, somewhat. At that somewhat magical point you could be doing very little work and still earning yourself decent money.

Yes, I mean this whole industry we're in is just a giant clusterfuck, since very few actually started things as you just mentioned. :winkwink:

This would be incorrect.

People wouldnt do that here at GFY right? :upsidedow