I will retire by 25 trust me, I have one of those good qualities, not whining like you say, but Creativity! I have 13 years before I can compare myself to you, and I sure as well wont be piggy backing some company that gets off by blatent copying.

Blah blah blah blah, can I get you some cheese to go with that whine?
Oh wait, someone else served wine and cheese together, I guess I can't do that.

HAHAHA That was actually pretty funny. :)

I swear I remember reading that Ox just released a PPS program as well, will have to double check. But nonetheless, if a reality site is halfway decent, I would much rather have recurring.

And about the whole TV show copying theory... yeh, they do copy ideas a lot. But the copies never last. Who here seriously thinks the Gene Simmons reality show will take off? Come on!

Instead of getting all pissy about what everyone here is saying about your sites, why don't you listen and take note of it. Consider changing some things to make it better. YOU came here asking for opinions and help. Now you're getting it, DEAL with it instead of whining that nobody is kissing your ass like the lackeys at the office.

Somebody said "it's all about the money". Damn straight. Now tell everyone here why we should start sending you, a bunch of new reality sites, traffic instead of sending it to sites that are already branded and we know will convert/retain.

testify my young African brotha,testify

Sly, we've paid per join on trials since the last century lol, so if Ox starts paying per join I am going to tell them they cannot do that since they are copying us ;)

shawcutie -- Laura -- is still really new to this business, so you guys give her a break for a change. But the threads going now, so maybe if we can get mrthumbs in here and a few other people it'll beat Cheshires thread and Laura can win a dvd...

Last but not least, no one's making you send traffic. If you want to try the sites, then try them, if not, vote with your traffic.

SIC has paid per join as I said since 98 -- obviously we must not be too far in the red ;)

Yes, I know you have. :winkwink: That wasn't what I was getting at. Greg sounded like he was saying SIC has a jump up on Ox because you have PPS for the sites, maybe I understood wrong.

I don't remember anybody attacking shawcutie, I'll have to read through again. They were more attacking the sites. Come on Laura, get some tough skin hun! You know these guys are bitches...

Gotcha Sly :)

The new sites are in the same system as the old ones, they pay the exact same way.

There will be some novel promo material coming in the next two weeks, as we see what types of traffic are converting the best on these sites.

Just so Pipecrew understands what novel means, no one else will have had it before.

Ox is quite secure in their sites and their traffic I'm sure, and if they did start paying per join, we'd be happy to send them a nice chunk of our exit traffic, the same with several other programs that have vid sites.

Thanks for addressing some of the above-mentioned issues. So, some of these new sites are of a similar theme, but with a different twist, correct? I suppose it's like the "girls gone wild" videos. Other companies are producing and distributing similar types of videos under different names, and they can do so because "girls gone wild" holds copyright on the name only (as does oxcash for "bangbus"), but they don't own the concept of videos depicting real girls flashing in public. Neither does ox hold copyright for the <i>concept</i> of videos depicting people cruising in a vehicle looking for random sex partners, at least as far as I know.


But I can certainly see where some people would be raising eyebrows at these 5 new sites, because all 5 seem to be knock-offs of others. Not one, not a couple, but all five. That's pretty.... incredible, no? And, when bangbus came out, it was an original. There has to be other as yet unexplored *themes* for paysites that would be equally original? I know I have a few in mind, and the ideas are of course for sale :D

gary's new reality site looks pretty dope.

solid

Good questions CD, and I will be happy to address them for you --
Bitchmobile is a copy of nothing I know of, unless having sex in a car is now someone's exclusive property.

DeepOralGirls and DeepOralGuys have belonged to us all along -- they are popular feeds that MANY paysite owners use, we simply decided to add tours and build around them. If you have seen them before, it's because of that -- currently even the bios are the same as what is in the paysite feeds.

Now on to the rest of it -- you may or may not be aware that we also own FreshPhotos, and the rest of its parts -- bruce3x came to work for us in that division, and shawcutie works there as well -- selling content, not building sites or running a webmaster program btw.

Since we own video production studios and we already create backend products from there, it makes more than good sense that we use that Vancouver office to every possible advantage we can for SIC Cash. If that means we have a copy of every FP, FWC, PCI image and video in our members area, that is one way we take advantage of that office.

We are currently producing 4 more video sites, which are currently unique, though someone else could launch something similar tomorrow and then we'd be 'copying' on Sept 1 when we launch them.

Now, to clear the air before anyone says we are stealing peoples models, you will notice the same models in at least a couple of other peoples new sites. These are our models, our video shoots, and our post production.

Last but not least, there is the fact that content is limited by two things -- availability and profitability.

If I can produce a vid IN our studios, or IN a convenient and safe location, it makes PERFECT SENSE that I would do that and use it to make our resellers and ultimately us, more money.

IF I have to pay exhorbitant location fees, put my models or my videographers at risk from the law or worse, or spend so much money on production, I no longer have a profitable project. IF I don't have a profitable project, I am not interested.

I'll be copying that shortly. Gary didn't want to pay us to shoot that for him when he heard the price, so I'll be paying him back the favor shortly.

Damn right, i got a local homeless guy and gave him an old 8mm camera my dad gave me when i was a kid. He does good work as long as he's drunk.

I thought va2k was your friend.

Doesnt mean he's not a homeless drunk. Some of my best friends are homeless drunks.

If you backpedal any harder you're going to break your bicycle chain.

Excellent Kimmy. Thank you for shedding light on where sic is coming from on these new projects. I certainly jumped in with both feet when bangbus was launched, and made a tidy fortune if I may say so, timing is/was everything. But that fire has cooled off for me severely, so I find myself looking for a new winning main sponsor.

I'll look closely at your new stuff, and also the old stuff.

Like i could afford a bicycle. I should be so lucky. Maybe after i release my next site, BitchBus i'll be able to get one.

Yeah well maybe you can afford us for that one.

I dont know, you guys do things a little weird for me. That whole "professional quality" thing you got going on. Not sure if thats for me. Can you guys maybe dunk the tape in water before encoding it?

Sure, but we charge extra for that.

Ok, first hour sending traffic. So far so good.

http://www.detroithardcore.com/cp.jpg

Actually less than an hour I think.

But I bet its a trick. Now my ratio will shoot up to 1:7500

No doubt!

ROFL, if I knew who you were the ratio'd be the same and the payout would be 0.

Actually if I knew who you were you ass, I'd pay you more, just for that.

Sorry Sly_RJ

I wasn't making any pokes at ox in anyway or form... I regard them and their products highly... they had one of the first sites I actually wanted to join!!! I believe even pipecrew said.. imitating is the best form of flattery... but we were careful to add a new twist to each product...

one difference in our program is... we pay per signup.. I wanted to be sure everyone knew that... as it was a question from the beginning of the thread...

Thanks Lebret.. glad to see you're off to a great start...

peace

greg
:thumbsup

:feels-hot

Bitchmobile looks great, i'll be sending some traffic for sure

rofl, you can tell Trevor he's got email. It was sent a couple hours ago maybe.

http://www.realitysites.com/001.jpg


Reminds me of my teen years

http://www.realitysites.com/002.jpg

Thats actually my ass. IM A STAR BABY!

Very funny, will tell Trevor to check his inbox!! :)

Nice balls Gary. Smooth, just like I like them. Makes oral teabagging so much easier.

Thats what all the fellas tell me

You are out of high school Gary?

No, hence the smooth balls.

pipecrew, I don't get your point unless your point was to telll us you're a kid with a poor grasp of reality.
I'm sure you'll retire far far sooner than any of us can but just to teach us all a lesson, could you tell us what you do THESE days that gives you that puffed up sense of self?

That said, you can't have a variety of sites for your webmasters without doing something similar to others. (there are only so many ways to sell sex) This argument is pretty dopey.

Although, I'm really interested in what pipecrew does today that makes him think he'll retire before 65.

So that GED that you keep under your pillow isn't yours?

I got it in a cereal box

No surprise there, you left a mess on the counter.

you, me and a lot of these other folks are already "retired". this online porn shit does not qualify as work to me so if you're making money from online porn, you don't really work anyway.

"find a job that you love and you'll never work another day in your life"

Well there is copying but not really interested in that.

My question is would these sites sell be than the oxcash/nastydollars versions?

My personal opinion is no way. Tours smack of old school porn to me, and I don't really get any humour coming through.

However cruise patrol looks better than bait bus for gay sites, I always thought gays would would find bait bus kinda annoying.

heymatty, if they work for your traffic, great, if not I don't expect you to waste your hits on them.

Y'all know I have been this way since I worked for CQ years ago.

really are any of you serious calling anyone ingenious in this space??? Sex is Sex.

Steak is Steak.

Good Steak is Good Steak.

If you don't think any of those sites are Good Steak then call them that and refuse to pay as if they were.

Talking Shit makes your breath stink.

g.

Now, now, don't get all worked up, you sound (and look) like a very nice girl.

this part worries me

You know, when someone is saying something bad about any of your business, you have to learn to listen to it carefully and analyze wether this person has even the slightest stint of truth to it, being able to take criticism and convert it into growth for your company is a very valuable asset.



On the copy this or that "concept" to be honest, I don't give a fuck, I guess the point is, will your site make me money? that's all, if all we could get was a site per each "concept" the sign up ratios would suck worse than they do now. varying sites inside the same niche or with similar concepts are good, they give us poor little webmasters something to promote that's different than the next 15 yr old delivering galleries to the TGPs.


oh, btw, next time you want webmasters to check your sites and give you any valuable info, SHUT OFF THE POPUPS!!! you see, I clicked on the first one, and when I closed the window, I got hammered, this is very bad PR, first, I won't click any link you post again, it's just too dangerous, second, it leads me to think that my surfers are going to get hammered (not that it's bad, not at all) but I'm not going to get a cut of that...

anyway... Walk On :1orglaugh

Stop the jeep Evan and get out.

Laura is new in the business, she made a few mistakes. Not that we shouldnt all profit from it.

First one was not warning y'all about the consoles, and the list goes on, to read this thread.

I was at the dr, you know I ruptured a disk in my back, or maybe you didn't know, otherwise I'd have given them super secret instructions on how to spam. ;)))))

she's hot... I for one,forgive her.. please don't dumb my future babys momma down

yeah um the girls in BitchMobile that do the "Bitching" Part are hotties. I would not cry if they pulled me over. Got my MiniDV cam ready.

g.

she only gon be yo baby mamma if i approve it yanno?

she hasnt cried yet and y'all were mean to her like you are to me.