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I'll tell ya right now, that if I knew who supported it, I would call them out and list names. But I don't. :-(Comment
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Then why even bother making the post you did then? I guess there are alot of people who got there head in there asses just like me. You posted above "when it gets out and the XXX shit storm hits its gonna be drama heaven" We as a whole dont need a shit storm to hit in a month or two we need it now. Still dont know what the purpose of that post was. I been watching these threads and you are the second person to say know these supporters are and not give up names, other was a sponsor which i will be sure to ask next time i see him on the boards as well....well when your looking for another line of work , i guess you will change your opinion of what i said above
Take your head out of your ass and put 2 n 2 together , doesnt take a rocker scientist to realize the whole story or the big picture or people involved
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how about hustler for instance? didn't . didn't they hop on the acacia bandwagon right away?Comment
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who owns sex.xxx
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i still say .xxx is NOT gonna be approved in the next few months
I give it like 65:35 chances (35% for it to be approved, 65% for not to be approved)I don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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Thank You for agreeing with me
But in all seriousness, I don't agree and I never agreed with your attitude, which was ".xxx won't happen. Period. No point in wasting time talking about it.".
Believe it or not, it's true that webmasters opinions have an influence on ICANN. You may say "no, that can't be true", but neverheless it is true although I don't feel like prooving this now for various reasons.
Bottom line = adult webmasters opposition to .xxx HAS an influence on ICANN. It depends however, how STRONG this opposition is and it also depends on other circumstances, just like Bossman said few posts earlier.
So although there might be hidden forces within the adult industry trying to push for .xxx approval (like Juicy said in this thread and many others said before as well) that still doesn't mean that they will win.There is alot more on the table than just porn, so I think you are right.
I'm far from an attitude that ".xxx won't happen, period". But I put so much thought (and not only thought
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We don't always see eye to eye, but here I'm in complete agreement with you.Yep, can't have too many chiefs and not enough indians, that's for sure. However, I never stated that successful affiliates started their own programs (although many did). I said the smart affiliates became sponsors themselves, as in mostly THEIR OWN sponsors. There are tons of privately operated paysites around, even if you may only know the ones that the high-profile sponsors like to plaster across the boards. Those paysites are promoted via traffic generated by their operators and in some cases also a few hand-picked affiliates.
Now, to your statement about many people being happy with just being affiliates, it is true. But that in itself will not guarantee the long-term existance of affiliates. Look at all the paid spots on various high-traffic sites, fewer and fewer affiliates can afford to buy them and make a profit, simply because the sponsors themselves are buying them up. Sponsors make a bigger profit on those listings (no 50%+ paid to the affiliate) so they can afford to drive up the prices. Should every affiliate disappear unless they become paysite owners? No, they shouldn't, but that doesn't mean that it will not happen.
The smart ones realised that if the sponsor paid them $30 he was making more than $30. They realised the only thing separating them was a bit of programing, maybe design, processing and CONTENT. Some fell for the "It has to be exclusive" line and picked up a camera to shoot the locals, others did not. Some survived and others did not.
How do I know this? They're called customers.
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I hope when all is said and done, if .xxx DOESN'T pass, someone still has the balls to out those that supported it, and that the list doesn't just vanish into oblivion. After the initial "hooray we won" cries start to dissipate, it would still be nice to know who was willing to sell out a great majority of us to line their own pockets. If it doesn't pass, I'll admire those that press for the truth and be very wary of those that post, "We won, just let it go." That attitude is inevitable, but DON'T let it go.
My guess is most everyone here has spoken face to face or on icq with a major player who supports .xxx and just didn't know it. I for one would like to know who it's safe to do business with in the future, and who is willing to sell me out, all the while looking me in the face and telling me, "Let's do business."Comment
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I can't figure out any reasons why anyone would support the . XXX domain.
I think there are so many rumours out there that at this point you can't believe anything that is said because it's most likely made up bullshit.
I've heard people say all the big guys all have the back end deals in place, well guess I am a nobody because I got no deals in place and never heard of anything of the sort.
. XXX is horrible for the businesss, first they have us voluntarily walk into the . XXX bear trap then they pass a law that says all adult material MUST be on . XXX domains across the globe. Then all the server companies block adult material by blocking . XXX
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from time to time a lot of people need a little reminder that there's a world outside the US. there are DNS servers outside the US, there are hosting companies outside the US and there are even billing companies outside the US. and a lot of people give a shit about US laws.
i'm pretty sure even if .xxx passes, which i really don't hope, there still will be porn outside that .xxx area. the same way like cp, warez and other sites with illegal content still exist today and will exist in the future.
but like german webmasters were forced to move out of germany to run porn sites without stupid limitations, americans will be forced to move out the US to do so.
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i'm really amazed how you manage to turn just any topic into a discussion about exclusive or non-exclusive contentWe don't always see eye to eye, but here I'm in complete agreement with you.
The smart ones realised that if the sponsor paid them $30 he was making more than $30. They realised the only thing separating them was a bit of programing, maybe design, processing and CONTENT. Some fell for the "It has to be exclusive" line and picked up a camera to shoot the locals, others did not. Some survived and others did not.
How do I know this? They're called customers.
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Then all the ISPs, computer companies and everyone else riding on the back of porn on the Internet discover they need porn a bit more than they thought they did.
Take porn off the Net and you risk losing a lot more.
Why are some big players in favor of it? It raises the stakes of opening a site, instead of $70 for ten years it's $70 a year. A lot of sites disappear but no surfers.
However with the .XXX it's a lot easier to protect your children from porn. Not 100% but better than Nanny Watch.
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XXX is horrible for the businesss, first they have us voluntarily walk into the . XXX bear trap then they pass a law that says all adult material MUST be on . XXX domains across the globe. Then all the server companies block adult material by blocking . XXX
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There is no huge pay day accept for who ever is selling the domains.
I don't believe that a $70 domain is going to drive away anyone from running an adult site.Comment
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I'm not American, I am from Canada, I understand that US laws do not apply across the intenet for everyone. However look at what the US did to the Online Gambling Industry, virtually wiping out 50-75% of the worlds customers in one law. I bet the gambling companies thought they were safe from this type of thing happening, but they were wrong.from time to time a lot of people need a little reminder that there's a world outside the US. there are DNS servers outside the US, there are hosting companies outside the US and there are even billing companies outside the US. and a lot of people give a shit about US laws.
i'm pretty sure even if .xxx passes, which i really don't hope, there still will be porn outside that .xxx area. the same way like cp, warez and other sites with illegal content still exist today and will exist in the future.
but like german webmasters were forced to move out of germany to run porn sites without stupid limitations, americans will be forced to move out the US to do so.Comment
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I posted my opinion regarding this in this thread
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=698634
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I have already sent my letter to ICANN some time ago Polish. So while my opinion is as I had stated in the past. I still have done my part to kick in a letter to the coffers explaing my disgust, and reasons why I do not think it's a good idea.Thank You for agreeing with me
But in all seriousness, I don't agree and I never agreed with your attitude, which was ".xxx won't happen. Period. No point in wasting time talking about it.".
Believe it or not, it's true that webmasters opinions have an influence on ICANN. You may say "no, that can't be true", but neverheless it is true although I don't feel like prooving this now for various reasons.
Bottom line = adult webmasters opposition to .xxx HAS an influence on ICANN. It depends however, how STRONG this opposition is and it also depends on other circumstances, just like Bossman said few posts earlier.
So although there might be hidden forces within the adult industry trying to push for .xxx approval (like Juicy said in this thread and many others said before as well) that still doesn't mean that they will win.
I'm far from an attitude that ".xxx won't happen, period". But I put so much thought (and not only thought) into it, that when looking at all the arguments and all the circumstances, I don't predict ICANN approving .xxx this time. Nevertheless .xxx still scares me - I gave it 35% chances to be approvced and that's why I still worry about this subject.
Lay off the wine
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Excellent post.I posted my opinion regarding this in this thread
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=698634
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yes but xxx is being pushed by icann, they are international, no? i suppose of the US passes a law saying porn has to be on xxx, that would be a boost for all non US webmasters (assuming other countries don't follow) but if icann decides its mandatory to have porn on xxx (not sure if they have that authority) it would be worldwide.from time to time a lot of people need a little reminder that there's a world outside the US. there are DNS servers outside the US, there are hosting companies outside the US and there are even billing companies outside the US. and a lot of people give a shit about US laws.
i'm pretty sure even if .xxx passes, which i really don't hope, there still will be porn outside that .xxx area. the same way like cp, warez and other sites with illegal content still exist today and will exist in the future.
but like german webmasters were forced to move out of germany to run porn sites without stupid limitations, americans will be forced to move out the US to do so.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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US politicians will go after the supplyline (rational corporations) - not the consumers (unstable voters). Probably make the supplyline responsible for not doing business with sites who have illegal content, and with the rules of the .xxx tld., then the .xxx tld will be favored by the supplyline - creating a virtual monopoly
ICM Registry are betting that the US politicians will make them filthy rich, and some US politicians think that ICM Registry will control porn. Its a marriage made in hell.Last edited by Bossman; 02-05-2007, 04:36 AM.Comment
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You should be worried each time a politician move his/her lips, because they are only humans -driven by their own egoistic desires. This is true in any nation on this planet. Humans were not made to be owned, control and ruled by other humans, yet this is how societies have been for the last 6000+ years, however with technology we come closer to the day, when the ruleset change and there will no longer be need for these megalomaniac politicians. But the politicians will kick and scream until we reach that day - so be worried, and never let them win.I'm far from an attitude that ".xxx won't happen, period". But I put so much thought (and not only thought) into it, that when looking at all the arguments and all the circumstances, I don't predict ICANN approving .xxx this time. Nevertheless .xxx still scares me - I gave it 35% chances to be approvced and that's why I still worry about this subject.Comment
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It should have said:
"Probably make the supplyline responsible, if they do business with sites who have illegal content, so with the rules of the .xxx tld., then the .xxx tld will be favored by the supplyline - creating a virtual monopoly
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so how many major players posted in this thread so far?I don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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After reading the comments on .xxx published on the official website, I was quite surprised that there seems to be strong opposition from religious groups and right wing conservatives, because they think giving the adult industry it's own domain would support porn...pretty funny to see them jump on our train, but good for us !Comment
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No matter how many times .xxx gets shot down, they always bring the proposal back. Sheer persistence may end up winning in the long run. They are fucking relentless.
I'm far from an attitude that ".xxx won't happen, period". But I put so much thought (and not only thought) into it, that when looking at all the arguments and all the circumstances, I don't predict ICANN approving .xxx this time. Nevertheless .xxx still scares me - I gave it 35% chances to be approvced and that's why I still worry about this subject.
As ironic as it is, Bush and co are on the same side of the issue as everyone here. They don't want .xxx, albeit for slightly different reasons, but they don't support it, all the same, and have already shown, they are willing to take action to stop it. I dont think .xxx has much of a chance till after the Bush term. Eventually I think it will happen, though, as much as I hate to say it.ICQ: 284903372Comment
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yeah they helped us with this issue already 9 months ago
on another note, i just made this new .XXX thread
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=703172I don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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dont forget the ICM guys are spending money on this, and concentrating on this is keeping them from any other projects probably
surely, this could be a goldmine for them for the rest of their lives, but if ICANN oficially rejects this proposal now, then they might finally cut their losses and move on with their lifes
keep in mind, they started the whole thing already 6-7 years ago... back then it was rejected quite fast... so they put the idea to rest and came back 3 years ago... where ICANN initially approved the agrement in 2005..... then there were negotiations for a year... then finally ICANN voted against this agreement in 2006, but ICM have sent in their "Reconsideration request" and noww its back on the agenda.... But should ICANN vote down the new agreement again (or even better - oficially reject it ), then they would realize that perhaps its better to concentrate on something else... instead of paying $50k (which is probably a small amount to them, but still.. ) in a year to ICANN again in order than ICANN takes a look at their new proposal again... and the new proposal could not be much different than the current one, because the main reasons why ICANN declined them till now (and hopfully will decline it again) are connected with far bigger issues than the details of the proposed contractsI don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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Well, I guess that proves it. Not one single "major player" that supports .xxx has the balls to come out and admit it.
Who would have thunk it?
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As long as it’s legal to use your visa to buy a membership to an adult .com website, and as long as you’re local government does not support it. Then there is little anyone can do.
Let’s not go overboard here it’s a problem with some solutions.
- if you US Gov't tell you that you need to have a .xxx to be hosted in the USA move your hosting,
- If they tell you that you have to have a .xxx to run your websites/business in the USA move your offices,
- If this will cost you too much to move your offices or hosting, then get a .xxx
- If Visa/MasterCard/US banks say they will not take payments for/from an adult website with a .com and only from a .xxx
Then you're going to start having problems. But even then Casino's should have found a way to deal online and you will have your solution. After all they had the same problem that they have now back in late 2001 or was it 2002.. Anyways...
The .xxx is a problem, but one with solutions.
Do a search for xxx on Google Results = 188,000,000 !WOW! Good luck making sure that they all switch to a .xxx, when not all are owned in the USA, or are even hosted in the USA. There will be too many cracks that people will find and loops holes they will use to get around it all.
That said if you feel the need to make yourself 100% safe and want all available options then got get a few .xxx, but I for one am not sure you will need to. $70 a year per URL if you have a few 1,000 urls is not an easy pill to swallow, but then for most sites a few sales a year will cover that cost. You just have to look at it from all points of view and see what you feel is best for you.
I completely think that .xxx is a pile of bullshit that will do nothing but scare a few people out of adult, into buying .xxx URL (anyone know who gets the $70 on that one?)
And lastly don't forget about the user.
ISP blocks them from porn, they can get a new ISP, all ISP's in the USA block porn the user will find a way to get it.
Look at how tight you need to make your security so someone doesn't get in for free. And remember that same user could have just gone to a P2P site and downloaded it for free.Comment
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Perhaps the reason you aren't receiving the response in favor of .xxx that you had hoped for is:
1 the prerequisite of being a "major player" (one must go around thinking that they are "a player")
2. the question was posed adverselyComment
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