hey Mike South, are you going to...

To you it may appear as if we have an agenda, but we don't. But anyway...

Thats all you can say from what I posted? Logic is a bitch to debate lol

Tony, where is your letter to ICANN?

Actually I just thought of something else to add...

Fact of the matter is members of the adult community are just not respected well enough in the mainstream world - so we either try to do what we can with this reality or do nothing at all.


I always remind myself about this great saying...

Live life as it is, not as it should be.

The sources wouldn't seem to have an axe to grind with XBiz particularly at least most wouldn't but ya never know, I felt the same way when they implicated the FSC for the same thing way back when. Whern I confronted Bill Lyon with it he told me the truth, on the spot, He told me that he was going to have a hard battle within the FSC over it but when ICMR had dozens of people join the night of the vote in order to have enough votes to insure passage the FSC quickly turned on ICMR and upheld Lyon when he prevented them from vting on it.

Say what you like about Bill Lyon or anyone else at the FSC but they did the right thing that night...they could have made millions at 8 bucks per domain. But they saw the ugly truth

If you have too....your actions to stop .XXX will not go unapplauded by me, even if I eat crow doing it....so lets see how this all plays out.

Now as for my email...lets settle that issue too then we can have a full on cease fire if not a truce.

That's your own deal - good luck.


I just can't believe you gave up on this so soon - no other hot leads to follow!? try calling your sources again...

I'll be back later tonight to check up on your findings...

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00450.html

there you go

Who do you think would have an axe to grind with XBIZ?

I interrupt this debate momentarily so that you may cast your eyes on this beauty....



Ok, back to our regularly scheduled program

Well the reality is .xxx has to be stopped, you keep talking like its done.Do you think your slick enough to control ICM ,your kidding yourself. I go back to 7 make the rules only one is from adult.You think talking is going to change that. Man this is so sad.

Hey I asked you for an answer you answered so I take your word for it.

Yes your answer looks suspicious but until someone has irrefuteable proof I'm not going to call you out.

What happens next is fully dependent on you and your actions is it not?

You rock Obi Wan

You forgot to answer a few of my questions, plz review my previous posts.

be back later.

well a competitor might, a disgruntled ex or current employee might , your ex wife (i dunno if you have one or not) might...that sorta thing.

Much better than the scheduled program Dean

It's the first look of innocence on this thread so far

To be honest, Tony, I can't quite take credit for that gem: one of our mods, Lifer, responding to complaints on our board that I answered for Alec said "You have got the official statement from Stephen. Stephen is the "Tony Snow" of XBiz. Understand now?"

I liked that, and the analogy fit, so, I used it

Actually its a poor one unless your job is to spread the lies of the administration like Tony's is. lol

You should have considered the source . . . . it wasn't that good.

but it's good enough for gfy ? good night kids

If GFY is so bad dont post here, these people here read your mag ,pay to go to your shows. Man what a shit attitude, wonder if that comes from the top? lol

I have no idea what it'll take to change anything - but having 1 voice is better than having none at all.

We can debate this all day but you're probably just as tired of this subject as I am.

Your fucking kidding me right? 1 voice is better than none when it deals with my fucking livihood. You have a agenda that you dont have the balls to present.Your right this is boring.

please give me link so I can cancel my subscriptions to both your magazines.Im done with any thing xbiz.

Although its obvious to me (and probably others) who some of these 'axe grinders' are, we'll just let these people hide behind you.


Now, being that you're a fair and balanced industry reporter, who else do you plan on approaching publicly for an "official statement"? Assuming investigative reporters pursue beyond just spoon fed leads.


If you don't have the answer just do a few quick searches, shouldn't take you more than 10 mins to come up with additional leads.


And of course an "official statement" (by the definition of what has transpired during this debate) being a statement posted/published publicly by a company principal.


We're all standing by to see what you come up with - good luck!



Ttyt.

It's easy, just send an email to:

subscriptions [at] adnetmediagroup [dot] com

Ok Tony I have tried to remain as objective as I can due to the topic at hand and my keen interest with what was asked? and I am now going to give you a piece of my fucking mind... the man answered the question from this angry mob?now you are just making speculation and rumors.

I like a good debate?it clears the cob webs? keeps us on our toes and requires people to see things from another perspective? but you have gone far beyond articulate fact finding and now you are acting like an entitled asshole. Like I said in a response to you earlier? If you cannot take the cold hard truth of being called out on your conduct and the manner in which you are representing yourself?then you really are just a glorified troll and I could care less about your joins, your conversion, how much money you have in the bank, you ACT like some anon troll.

You made this a war with Alec and not about Xbiz and his own personal association with .xxx ?

It went from an inquiry to an attack of a very well respected man who is held in very high regard among the people in the industry who are the pioneers, innovators, and market share leaders.

As someone who has business dealings with Xbiz I was also curious to see where this would lead but then it suddenly turned into a personal attack on Alec Helmy for no reason?even after he answered the question with a very clear ?no?. At this point you look like a conspiracy theorist who is upset because your accusations were point blank refuted by the source himself.

You then question the mans integrity after he has gone on public record as a non supporter and you?re upset because the question was not answered in the manner in which you wanted it answered?

WTF? You got what you were looking for... for the life of me I cannot understand what it is you want from this man?other than to be an antagonistic, disrespectful, and just general loud mouth trying to look like some cool bad ass.

I have no idea how long you have been in this industry... I do not have any idea what was carried over from other boards... I do know I have known this man, his wife, brother and senior staff members for years and he has yet to demonstrate to me, or the peer group that I associate myself with in this community, to be a liar or anything other than one of the most straight up determined and successful entrepreneurs who has achieved his success through hard work, dedication, creativity, and ingenuity. I remember when Alec was a little guy and he has not changed how he deals with people what so ever.

The ONLY reason I am posting this is BEACAUSE he is such a stand up person in this industry. He does not deserve this malicious attack. In the beginning I can see that as a leading trade publication you want to know if they are supporting something that could be damaging to the greater good and well being of the hard working webmaster.

Now you are saying ?Say pretty please with sugar on top? and it is completely out of line.

I am disappointed. It is disappointing to see someone you thought was bright and had worthwhile things to say and seemed like a genuine cool guy? albeit observing from a distance over the years? and then to see the kind of behavior you have exhibited this week is just disappointing?utterly embarrassing for you and disappointing.

The man went on record...that means you wait and see what happens now before you continue to go after someone after they were man enough to step up and address the issue.

You have attempted to publicly humiliate someone here and you were wrong.

You were dead ass wrong.

It?s 14:59:50

welllets see I have statements from Paul Fishbein, Dave Cummings, The Free Speech Coalition, and Farley at AVNOnline and of course you... far as I can tell thats the sum total of the people who in some way shape or form presume to speak for us.

Now if you'd like to insinute that one or more of these persons is being disingenuous please go right ahead, but so far every single one has backed up their actions with an immediate response. They didn't have to be asked over and over and they were both forthcoming and forthright. A tatic you should consider when dealing with us "low hanging fruit"

Now if your implications are Ron Levi or Lensman I believe they have been forthright about their wishes and I'm fine with that, maybe they still support .XXX maybe not but neither has claimed to speak for the industry and neither claims to be an objective news outlet.

I think we have been through this before Alec, if there's someone you think deserves to be questioned...spill it otherwise quit whining.

Supposedly yer boy Stephen knows all the people who are in a cabal to push .xxx through...by all means make it available....let us know who out enemies are, otherwise...well at the risk of repeating myself ...quit whining.

Ya so I handed you your ass in the adult press...like I said to the other guy...suck it up buttercup...better luck next time and all that.

his has presented me with the opportunity to do something positive and preventative and for that reason alone...I'm glad I did it. .XXX is far from the reality you think it is and I feel pretty good about that now.

and BTW you are welcome for the attention and the press you got....

You actually have some honest and decent people working for you, like Dusty...keep em close and listen to them.

Someone told me today the more they know about you the more they like Tim Connelly...dude that's sad....

Mike/Alec.. I remember the mention of ASACP kickbacks from a few years ago in regard to the .xxx move too. It may have come from ICM. They may have stated in a release that they intended to donate something around $10 per domain and that ASACP would be on the board of their new Adult control group to regulate the industry.

Maybe that can help pinpoint the source of the information and someone can research to verify it.

Thanks Brujah thats not the first time I have heard that bt I cant turn up the source....if you have any luck with that DO let me know.

And Alec...maybe I missed it but have YOU written ICANN and are on record there with an email in opposition to.XXX

I mean now that you have time to answer questions and all....

What do ya know...from XBIZ own SITE


"While the selling price for .XXX domains has not yet been determined, Jason Hendeles, ICM Registry vice president, said that $10 of each domain sale will be designated to IFFOR to contribute to issues facing the online adult industry, and of those proceeds, a percentage will be donated to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection and the battle against child pornography."

That would be the same ASACP that Alec runs I presume.

OOPS IN ICM Registry's corrected petition for reconsideration

Note, however, that the prohibition on child pornography - which is illegal in many, but not all
countries, will not depend on governmental action in the first instance. Rather, ICM and IFFOR will
contract with an existing organization - such as ASACP - that has the ability to monitor for possible child
pornography and uses established relationships to report child pornography to the proper authorities. As
ICM is not a hosting service, take-down issues must be addressed elsewhere.

HMMM looks like ASACP has a LOT to gain from this....what do you say Alec?

HMMM IN XBIX Own Boards

ASACP CLARIFIES ITS NEUTRAL POSITION ON .XXX

Los Angeles - (June 9, 2005) – The Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection (ASACP) neither approves nor disapproves of .xxx. In 2003, ASACP was approached by ICM Registry to support .xxx. The ASACP Advisory Council decided that such support was not within the ASACP mission; therefore, ASACP does not take a position on the concept of .xxx.

guess if I were getting kickbacks from ICMR in the form of "donations" I would claim neutrality too...that is if I were for sale...which I am NOT

So Alec...tell me shall I search some more?

Maybe I didn't search your site well enough, but where can these statements be found?



Perhaps they respect you, which is why you got an immediate response.



This "little people" thing is getting old.



We're not the ones who are pursuing all these theories, you are - and if you intend on digging deep then do it right - otherwise your investigative results don't carry much weight.




"in the adult press"?

You crack me up man.




Ditto - since it looks like it worked for you too...

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...=mikesouth.com

Good job!



Yes, but I wonder why they're upset with you.



Tim Connelly? Refresh my memory, where did he used to work? who did he work with?

Link me to this this please ...

Before I answer you, what was the response that you got from the others?

Just curious.

google is your friend

http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=8969

If .XXX gets approved then IFFOR can certainly offer to contribute to ASACP. However, it is ultimately up to the Advisory Council whether such contributions should be accepted.



False again.

I don't run ASACP.



Btw, ASACP regulary reviews its books (financials) with members of the Advisory Council - jfyi. ;)

A lot of indirect answers and beating around the bush in this thread.

An attempt to get some quotes.. find out if it's accurate or not yourself.

Greg Dumas / Is he with FSC?
Joan ASACP
http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rfp-xxx/msg00061.html

Is Moniker involved?
http://mobile.xbiz.com/c/?t=1&i=9870


Mike, can you get comments from these?
Aly Drummond, AVN
Michelle Freridge, Free Speech Coalition
Alec Helmy, XBiz.com
Chris Jester, SplitInfinity
Holly Moss, HMoss Consulting
Larry Paciotti, CCLR Internet
Scott Rabinowitz, TrafficDude
Morgan Sommer, Cybersocket
Amanda Gross, Epoch Transaction Services

Yes, they intended to.

But it's ultimately up to the Advisory Council.

Your fucking kidding me. Did you read his answer its better to have 1 than none? Your ok with that ? This is our fucking living not a fucking game.For someone against he seems pretty fucking pro and Im not the only one in this thread that sees that. By the way the man came back and started this thread not me. He wanted to start shit with Mike again your honorable friend. Im not wrong.

Hey guys - just a word of advice. The quickest way to get this thread locked is to let the debate get out of hand. Name calling, threats etc. If we can't have a professional mature debate without resorting to stuff like that, it looks very bad for us and it'll just be a matter of time before this thread gets locked - just like some of the other ones have.

I'm sure the mods are watching this thread just waiting for a reason to shut it down - I'm just saying......

Your right Dean, I get crazy because I love what I do and I feel .xxx happens thats going to be finished for me and to be honest I find that scary.There is not one positive for .xxx. To get to be creative and make aliving of it, is a hard thing to do and I get to do that and I feel truly blessed. When I see flippant remarks, I feel like Im being played with and this makes me crazy. Im not a big player but Im a passionate one and I love my industry, I see very short term thinking or quick buck attitudes.I feel its going to fuck it up for us in the long term. You know me Im a no bullshit guy, what you see is what you get. I will now stop posting in this thread, even if provoked. I said all I had to say its beating a dead horse at this point.

Not sure I would ID one straight answer Brujah - it's too incestuous and slippery with the usual sharks ready for a feeding frenzy.

The asses can't be trusted with 5 cents. They can barely answer a simple question honestly, and only exist in this industry for their own self-promotion/glorification, regardless what charade this is under - XBiz as the "unbiased industry reporter" or ASACP as the righteous front acting as the protector of children

By admissions so far, it is clear XBiz do not consider they represent or speak for the majority of this industry - petty egos, personal agenda's and arrogance place them above that level.

The stench of insincerity is overpowering. What was the point of this idiot thread again?? Ah. yea.. Alec's ego and a need to be "top kid" in the kindergarten.

Webby Im with ya...I have what I need right now so if Alec wants to ask anyone anything he can and if he wants to ask me he knows how to contact me....Im covered up today but I appreciate the support I have gotten as well as the good discussion on the matter

rest assured I am doing everything I can to stop .XXX and I have good company in that fight.

Thx ya'll.

you are welcome cockaroach