people still have until the 5th of feb.

i think.

thats what they were tossing around earlier.

nevermind, I see his response, I missed it in that thread

ug...too many threads to keep up with, back to work

yes, they do, and I have a document on my desktop that has been worked on for a while now, I just need to finish it up and submit it

I actually hope they are wrong. Time will tell I suppose. Glad you finally stood up and took some responsibility.

Theres still an issue...Im awaiting a return email on it but it doesn't involve you quite as much

it was how he did it , first having someone else do it and very vaguely at that ,then he came and it was vague .The third try was a straight answer, that seems fishy. If he was against and he invited them to a show, people pay him to go to. What effort would of it took to say no I dont support it .Instead of playing games,

you really think he is going to say that? lol

I certainly respect that.

But in our opinion open dialogue is better than no dialogue at all - I hope you respect that.

It is the end of Feb 1, how much procrastination do you need?

What you think of me doesn't matter at this point.

So tell me, these sources of yours, did they only bring up XBIZ and myself? if so, what's their motive!?

Once again it wont be open, only 1 out of 7 on the rule making board. Why is that so hard to understand?
He has a low opinion of us and it shows in their plan to ICANN, we are scumbags that need to be kept in line..He hasnt given a straight answer yet, all of a sudden he is going to be forth coming,its all been trust us. If it gets passed he has us by the balls there really isnt much to talk about.Thats why the people who are looking longterm want beat this,nothing good will come from except some people will line their pockets with quick cash. I also think you inviting him to speak like its going to happen sends a message to ICANN we accept this and most dont.
I have no doubt you have a agenda and you are hurting not helping the industry that has supported you.

To you it may appear as if we have an agenda, but we don't. But anyway...

Thats all you can say from what I posted? Logic is a bitch to debate lol

Tony, where is your letter to ICANN?

Actually I just thought of something else to add...

Fact of the matter is members of the adult community are just not respected well enough in the mainstream world - so we either try to do what we can with this reality or do nothing at all.


I always remind myself about this great saying...

Live life as it is, not as it should be.

The sources wouldn't seem to have an axe to grind with XBiz particularly at least most wouldn't but ya never know, I felt the same way when they implicated the FSC for the same thing way back when. Whern I confronted Bill Lyon with it he told me the truth, on the spot, He told me that he was going to have a hard battle within the FSC over it but when ICMR had dozens of people join the night of the vote in order to have enough votes to insure passage the FSC quickly turned on ICMR and upheld Lyon when he prevented them from vting on it.

Say what you like about Bill Lyon or anyone else at the FSC but they did the right thing that night...they could have made millions at 8 bucks per domain. But they saw the ugly truth

If you have too....your actions to stop .XXX will not go unapplauded by me, even if I eat crow doing it....so lets see how this all plays out.

Now as for my email...lets settle that issue too then we can have a full on cease fire if not a truce.

That's your own deal - good luck.


I just can't believe you gave up on this so soon - no other hot leads to follow!? try calling your sources again...

I'll be back later tonight to check up on your findings...

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00450.html

there you go

Who do you think would have an axe to grind with XBIZ?

I interrupt this debate momentarily so that you may cast your eyes on this beauty....

http://www.glamourshoots.com/pics/catalina/003.jpg

Ok, back to our regularly scheduled program :winkwink:

Well the reality is .xxx has to be stopped, you keep talking like its done.Do you think your slick enough to control ICM ,your kidding yourself. I go back to 7 make the rules only one is from adult.You think talking is going to change that. Man this is so sad.

Hey I asked you for an answer you answered so I take your word for it.

Yes your answer looks suspicious but until someone has irrefuteable proof I'm not going to call you out.

What happens next is fully dependent on you and your actions is it not?

You rock Obi Wan :)

You forgot to answer a few of my questions, plz review my previous posts.

be back later.

well a competitor might, a disgruntled ex or current employee might , your ex wife (i dunno if you have one or not) might...that sorta thing.

Much better than the scheduled program Dean :thumbsup

It's the first look of innocence on this thread so far :pimp

To be honest, Tony, I can't quite take credit for that gem: one of our mods, Lifer, responding to complaints on our board that I answered for Alec said "You have got the official statement from Stephen. Stephen is the "Tony Snow" of XBiz. Understand now?"

I liked that, and the analogy fit, so, I used it :thumbsup

Actually its a poor one unless your job is to spread the lies of the administration like Tony's is. lol

You should have considered the source . . . . it wasn't that good. :2 cents:

but it's good enough for gfy ? good night kids :)

If GFY is so bad dont post here, these people here read your mag ,pay to go to your shows. Man what a shit attitude, wonder if that comes from the top? lol

I have no idea what it'll take to change anything - but having 1 voice is better than having none at all.

We can debate this all day but you're probably just as tired of this subject as I am.

Your fucking kidding me right? 1 voice is better than none when it deals with my fucking livihood. You have a agenda that you dont have the balls to present.Your right this is boring.

please give me link so I can cancel my subscriptions to both your magazines.Im done with any thing xbiz.

Although its obvious to me (and probably others) who some of these 'axe grinders' are, we'll just let these people hide behind you.


Now, being that you're a fair and balanced industry reporter, who else do you plan on approaching publicly for an "official statement"? Assuming investigative reporters pursue beyond just spoon fed leads.


If you don't have the answer just do a few quick searches, shouldn't take you more than 10 mins to come up with additional leads.


And of course an "official statement" (by the definition of what has transpired during this debate) being a statement posted/published publicly by a company principal.


We're all standing by to see what you come up with - good luck!



Ttyt.

It's easy, just send an email to:

subscriptions [at] adnetmediagroup [dot] com

Ok Tony I have tried to remain as objective as I can due to the topic at hand and my keen interest with what was asked? and I am now going to give you a piece of my fucking mind... the man answered the question from this angry mob?now you are just making speculation and rumors.

I like a good debate?it clears the cob webs? keeps us on our toes and requires people to see things from another perspective? but you have gone far beyond articulate fact finding and now you are acting like an entitled asshole. Like I said in a response to you earlier? If you cannot take the cold hard truth of being called out on your conduct and the manner in which you are representing yourself?then you really are just a glorified troll and I could care less about your joins, your conversion, how much money you have in the bank, you ACT like some anon troll.

You made this a war with Alec and not about Xbiz and his own personal association with .xxx ?

It went from an inquiry to an attack of a very well respected man who is held in very high regard among the people in the industry who are the pioneers, innovators, and market share leaders.

As someone who has business dealings with Xbiz I was also curious to see where this would lead but then it suddenly turned into a personal attack on Alec Helmy for no reason?even after he answered the question with a very clear ?no?. At this point you look like a conspiracy theorist who is upset because your accusations were point blank refuted by the source himself.

You then question the mans integrity after he has gone on public record as a non supporter and you?re upset because the question was not answered in the manner in which you wanted it answered?

WTF? You got what you were looking for... for the life of me I cannot understand what it is you want from this man?other than to be an antagonistic, disrespectful, and just general loud mouth trying to look like some cool bad ass.

I have no idea how long you have been in this industry... I do not have any idea what was carried over from other boards... I do know I have known this man, his wife, brother and senior staff members for years and he has yet to demonstrate to me, or the peer group that I associate myself with in this community, to be a liar or anything other than one of the most straight up determined and successful entrepreneurs who has achieved his success through hard work, dedication, creativity, and ingenuity. I remember when Alec was a little guy and he has not changed how he deals with people what so ever.

The ONLY reason I am posting this is BEACAUSE he is such a stand up person in this industry. He does not deserve this malicious attack. In the beginning I can see that as a leading trade publication you want to know if they are supporting something that could be damaging to the greater good and well being of the hard working webmaster.

Now you are saying ?Say pretty please with sugar on top? and it is completely out of line.

I am disappointed. It is disappointing to see someone you thought was bright and had worthwhile things to say and seemed like a genuine cool guy? albeit observing from a distance over the years? and then to see the kind of behavior you have exhibited this week is just disappointing?utterly embarrassing for you and disappointing.

The man went on record...that means you wait and see what happens now before you continue to go after someone after they were man enough to step up and address the issue.

You have attempted to publicly humiliate someone here and you were wrong.

You were dead ass wrong.

It?s 14:59:50

welllets see I have statements from Paul Fishbein, Dave Cummings, The Free Speech Coalition, and Farley at AVNOnline and of course you... far as I can tell thats the sum total of the people who in some way shape or form presume to speak for us.

Now if you'd like to insinute that one or more of these persons is being disingenuous please go right ahead, but so far every single one has backed up their actions with an immediate response. They didn't have to be asked over and over and they were both forthcoming and forthright. A tatic you should consider when dealing with us "low hanging fruit"

Now if your implications are Ron Levi or Lensman I believe they have been forthright about their wishes and I'm fine with that, maybe they still support .XXX maybe not but neither has claimed to speak for the industry and neither claims to be an objective news outlet.

I think we have been through this before Alec, if there's someone you think deserves to be questioned...spill it otherwise quit whining.

Supposedly yer boy Stephen knows all the people who are in a cabal to push .xxx through...by all means make it available....let us know who out enemies are, otherwise...well at the risk of repeating myself ...quit whining.

Ya so I handed you your ass in the adult press...like I said to the other guy...suck it up buttercup...better luck next time and all that.

his has presented me with the opportunity to do something positive and preventative and for that reason alone...I'm glad I did it. .XXX is far from the reality you think it is and I feel pretty good about that now.

and BTW you are welcome for the attention and the press you got....

You actually have some honest and decent people working for you, like Dusty...keep em close and listen to them.

Someone told me today the more they know about you the more they like Tim Connelly...dude that's sad....

Mike/Alec.. I remember the mention of ASACP kickbacks from a few years ago in regard to the .xxx move too. It may have come from ICM. They may have stated in a release that they intended to donate something around $10 per domain and that ASACP would be on the board of their new Adult control group to regulate the industry.

Maybe that can help pinpoint the source of the information and someone can research to verify it.

Thanks Brujah thats not the first time I have heard that bt I cant turn up the source....if you have any luck with that DO let me know.

And Alec...maybe I missed it but have YOU written ICANN and are on record there with an email in opposition to.XXX

I mean now that you have time to answer questions and all....