USA Moon Landing...Conspiracy Theorists IN HERE NOW!!

[interracialtoons]

Here's a nice situation to add fuel to the theory that the moon walk was faked.

NASA, can't find the "original film" of the walk which would be of much higher quality than was broadcast over TV during that time.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16897774/

I'm not saying the moon walk didn't happen, BUTTTTT!!!!!

How convenient, to lose a tape that was of such high quality that it could be closely scrutinized with accuracy. A shadow would be a shadow and not a distortion cause by poor video quality.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm??

[Dirty Dane]

I believe the moon is fake.

[StuartD]

Well, if there's any one thing we know these days is that the government and it's agencies are anything but well organized.

[interracialtoons]

Originally Posted by StuartD

Well, if there's any one thing we know these days is that the government and it's agencies are anything but well organized.

I totally agree; I'm just saying WOW, how convienent if bullshit went down.

[grumpy]

the usa is not smart enough to cover that up

[Narfle]

Convienent?

Dont you mean "incompetent"?

Dont argue to win.

[who]

Now, just because the claim they can't find it, you believe they either really can't find it, or that there is no original?

Why don't you just think they're bullshitting and have it locked up nice and securely?

[interracialtoons]

Originally Posted by who

Now, just because the claim they can't find it, you believe they either really can't find it, or that there is no original?

Why don't you just think they're bullshitting and have it locked up nice and securely?

Yeah, that could be the case. But why have this situation that can only fuel the conspiracy theories?

The power of the acomplishment(moon landing) is underminded by any lack of belief that it occured.

[BuggyG]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

I believe the moon is fake.

It's made of cheese!
Come on.. Homer took a bite out of it... and what Homer says/does is LAW!!

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by BuggyG

It's made of cheese!
Come on.. Homer took a bite out of it... and what Homer says/does is LAW!!

It's true, zoom all the way in: http://moon.google.com/

[interracialtoons]

Originally Posted by grumpy

the usa is not smart enough to cover that up

But smart enough to cover up that we actually run your government.

[Dirty Dane]

Look closely at the shadows and you'll see its fake:

[Camspot Matt]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

I believe the moon is fake.

What he said.

[bobby666]

nobody was ever on the moon !!

[C_U_Next_Tuesday]

I think that Buzz Aldrin went back up in space a 2nd time while in his 80's because he never went up the first time. Hubby used to work for Nasa as a quality inspector for the shuttle...he has his own thoughts on the moon landing.

[ServerGenius]

moon landing never happened. they would have colonised the moon by now but instead they went there just once.....never returned to check some more

[who]

Originally Posted by interracialtoons

Yeah, that could be the case. But why have this situation that can only fuel the conspiracy theories?

The power of the acomplishment(moon landing) is underminded by any lack of belief that it occured.

I think it's a case of
a reporter asking a NASA guy "Hey can I see the original moon landing tape?"
and the NASA guy saying "No!!!"
reporter: "Why the hell not? I drove all the way from RI for this crap."
NASA: "Cos I said so."
reporter: "WTF? SHOW ME THE TAPE in the name of Allah!"
NASA: "Oh yeah, uh, we lost it, actually.."

[stickyfingerz]

Al Gore invented the moon...

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

moon landing never happened. they would have colonised the moon by now but instead they went there just once.....never returned to check some more

Actually with the Apollo missions they did go more than once. If you look close enough today, you can see they built McDonalds there.

[ServerGenius]

hahahaha that made me laugh I'll check it out with my telescope tonight

[interracialtoons]

Originally Posted by who

I think it's a case of
a reporter asking a NASA guy "Hey can I see the original moon landing tape?"
and the NASA guy saying "No!!!"
reporter: "Why the hell not? I drove all the way from RI for this crap."
NASA: "Cos I said so."
reporter: "WTF? SHOW ME THE TAPE in the name of Allah!"
NASA: "Oh yeah, uh, we lost it, actually.."

Why would this be a "secret tape", why wouldn't they have made copies and sent them to libraries around the world to demonstrate American supremecy?

It's not that anybody wants the original tape, you must not have read the story. They only want a better quality tape then was broadcast. A copy of the original would have been just fine.

[ServerGenius]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Al Gore invented the moon...

watch the news lately, VN report about global warming, how it's undeniable
caused by human activity? 2500 international scientist from 130 countries studied and compared current,
historical and prehistorical data?

the changes since 1750 are way more drastic than at any time before.

[ServerGenius]

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t...5CW8 5GWRGVqw

[interracialtoons]

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

watch the news lately, VN report about global warming, how it's undeniable
caused by human activity? 2500 international scientist from 130 countries studied and compared current,
historical and prehistorical data?

the changes since 1750 are way more drastic than at any time before.

Ok, but WTF does this have to do with fake moon landings?

[ServerGenius]

it was intended for stickyfingers

[Rochard]

Do you honestly believe the US Government was able to fake this? And then keep it quiet since then?

[interracialtoons]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Do you honestly believe the US Government was able to fake this? And then keep it quiet since then?

They've kept quite about the native american genocide so far, so why not.

[Historic Erotica]

Originally Posted by grumpy

the usa is not smart enough to cover that up

how can you say that, we covered up 9-11..and know one died on the moon..

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by interracialtoons

They've kept quite about the native american genocide so far, so why not.

what? are you suggesting that a bunch of white people came over from europe to a new continent and clashed with natives which resulted in fighting and killing?

do you have a link? i want to know more of this secret history of which you speak.

[psili]

I guess the mirror placed on the moon is also fake and NASA's Apollo Laser Ranging Experiments is just made up story.

[D]

Originally Posted by StuartD

It's true, zoom all the way in: http://moon.google.com/

I hadn't seen that one before. :-D


For the conspiracy theorists...


http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/21jul_llr.htm

[Historic Erotica]

Nas-holes..thats what I call them..billions spent and we don't know shit..my theory is we have been so dumbed down we cant see shit..the ones who vibrate on a higher frequency see that there is other so called life forms..we cant see them cuz we are stuck on a lower frequency..

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

watch the news lately, VN report about global warming, how it's undeniable
caused by human activity? 2500 international scientist from 130 countries studied and compared current,
historical and prehistorical data?

the changes since 1750 are way more drastic than at any time before.

What kind of thermometers did they have prior to 1750 I wonder... Didnt we have an Ice age in there somewhere that we have been coming out of even today? Wonder if the earth wobbles 100% on axis 100% of the time. Wonder what would happen if the wobble wiggles a whittle bit...

[interracialtoons]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

what? are you suggesting that a bunch of white people came over from europe to a new continent and clashed with natives which resulted in fighting and killing?

do you have a link? i want to know more of this secret history of which you speak.

There's no link because it was covered up.


But seriously, their was a planned stradegy to commited genocide which is quite differrent than fighting and creating casualties. This planned genocide has never been admitted. Of course you will not admit it yourself so there you have it.

[Brujah]

Is anyone going to the Moon? Wasn't there another country who was sending a man to the moon recently?

[rob34]

Somewhere there is a video of the little car they used to get around on the moon. If you look at the back tires and see the dirt....the dirt falls to the ground. This shouldnt happen if there is no gravity. (right)?

[interracialtoons]

Originally Posted by J-hush

Somewhere there is a video of the little car they used to get around on the moon. If you look at the back tires and see the dirt....the dirt falls to the ground. This shouldnt happen if there is no gravity. (right)?

The moon is not zero gravity; it is low gravity.

[ronaldo]

Originally Posted by Historic Erotica

and know one died on the moon..

Okay, this is a new theory I haven't heard before. Please enlighten me.

[ADL Colin]

Well, there were six manned moon landings. Not one. There were about 30 launches before landing on the moon each one building on the missions before them - starting with the Saturn rocket test and ending with a manned mission around the moon (not actually landing yet). The whole thing took about 10 years.

Which of these 36 or so missions do you think we faked?

[interracialtoons]

Originally Posted by ADL Colin

Well, there were six manned moon landings. Not one. There were about 30 launches before landing on the moon each one building on the missions before them - starting with the Saturn rocket test and ending with a manned mission around the moon (not actually landing yet). The whole thing took about 10 years.

Which of these 36 or so missions do you think we faked?

The other missions are meaningless since the major issue of contention of the "man landing on the moon" is that the amount of radiation around the moon would have killed a human.

So all the probes can land on the moon and still not prove a human did.

[Nookster]

Originally Posted by interracialtoons

Yeah, that could be the case. But why have this situation that can only fuel the conspiracy theories?

The power of the acomplishment(moon landing) is underminded by any lack of belief that it occured.

Here's an example. Say you got this girlfriend right. She likes to argue with you for some reason or another. And you notice that every time after you argue you have the greatest make-up sex. Now, say one day she has nothing else to fight over and she's the type to just move on if she doesn't get what she wants. No fighting, no make-up sex, no relationship.

In this example: your girlfriend = the conspiracy theorists, you = the government.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by interracialtoons

Here's a nice situation to add fuel to the theory that the moon walk was faked.

NASA, can't find the "original film" of the walk which would be of much higher quality than was broadcast over TV during that time.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16897774/

I'm not saying the moon walk didn't happen, BUTTTTT!!!!!

How convenient, to lose a tape that was of such high quality that it could be closely scrutinized with accuracy. A shadow would be a shadow and not a distortion cause by poor video quality.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm??

Poppycock.

Do you ever lose anything, even something of importance like your wallet or keys? How many items of property do you own or manage?

Now, consider how many items of property the US government manages. I am sure the number is in the BILLIONS of items. Think about that!!

For one example, the US government employs 2.7 million people. I bet they have a hard enough time tracking them.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Look closely at the shadows and you'll see its fake:

That's a classic.

[_Richard_]

Area 51!

R

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by interracialtoons

The other missions are meaningless since the major issue of contention of the "man landing on the moon" is that the amount of radiation around the moon would have killed a human.

So all the probes can land on the moon and still not prove a human did.

They are not meaningless. They are part of the logic of seeing how the technology to go to the moon was built up over a period of a decade. Many moon-landing conspiracy theories involve the US not having the technology to go to the moon at that time.

[ADL Colin]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 21, 1994

During their brief moon walk 25 years ago, the Apollo
11 astronauts deployed a variety of scientific experiments,
including a reflector array left in the fine powder of the
Sea of Tranquility that continues to measure the moon's
orbit around Earth to unprecedented accuracy.

Scientists who analyze data from the Lunar Laser
Ranging Experiment have reported some watershed results from
these long-term experiments, said Jet Propulsion Laboratory
team investigator Dr. Jean Dickey. The team's findings
appear in this week's issue of Science magazine, which
commemorates the silver anniversary of the Apollo 11 lunar
landing.

"Using the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment, we have been
able to improve, by orders of magnitude, measurements of the
moon's rotation," Dickey said. "We also have strong
evidence that the moon has a liquid core, and laser ranging
has allowed us to determine with great accuracy the rate at
which the moon is gradually receding from the Earth."

The laser ranging retroreflector was positioned on the
moon in 1969 by the Apollo 11 astronauts so that it would
point toward Earth and be able to reflect pulses of laser
light fired from the ground. By beaming laser pulses at the
reflector, scientists have been able to determine the round-
trip travel time of a laser pulse and provide the distance
between these two bodies at any given time down to an
accuracy of about 3 centimeters (about 1 inch).

The laser reflector consists of 100 fused silica half-
cubes, called corner cubes, mounted in a 46-centimeter (18-
inch) square aluminum panel. Each corner cube is 3.8
centimeters (1.5 inches) in diameter. Corner cubes reflect
a beam of light directly back toward the point of origin
and, thus, allow scientists to measure the Earth-moon
separation and study the dynamics of the Earth, the moon and
the Earth-moon system.

Once the laser ranging experiments began to yield
valuable results, more reflectors were left on the moon. A
reflector identical to the Apollo 11 mission reflector was
left by the Apollo 14 crew, and a larger reflector using 300
corner cubes was placed on the moon by the Apollo 15
astronauts. French-built reflectors were also left on the
moon by the unmanned Russian Lunakhod 2 mission.

Several observatories have regularly ranged the moon
with these reflectors: one is located at McDonald
Observatory near Fort Davis, Texas; another is located atop
the extinct Haleakala volcano on the island of Maui in
Hawaii; another is located in southern France near Grasse.

The Lick Observatory in northern California also has
been used in the past for the lunar laser ranging
experiments and ranging programs have been carried out in
Australia, Russia and Germany. Despite the difficulty of
detecting reflected laser light from the moon, Dickey said,
more than 8,300 ranges have been measured over the last 25
years.

"Lunar ranging involves sending a laser beam through an
optical telescope," Dickey said. "The beam enters the
telescope where the eye piece would be, and the transmitted
beam is expanded to become the diameter of the main mirror,
then bounced off the surface toward the reflector on the
moon."

The reflectors are too small to be seen from Earth, so
even when the beam is precisely aligned in the telescope,
actually hitting a lunar retroreflector array is technically
challenging. At the moon's surface the beam is roughly four
miles wide. Scientists liken the task of aiming the beam to
using a rifle to hit a moving dime two miles away.

Once the laser beam hits a reflector, scientists at the
ranging observatories use extremely sensitive filtering and
amplification equipment to detect the return signal, which
is far too weak to be seen with the human eye. Even under
good atmospheric viewing conditions, only one photon -- the
fundamental particle of light -- will be received every few
seconds.

The range accuracy of these reflectors has been
improved over the lifetime of the lunar laser ranging
experiments, the team noted in Science. While the earliest
ranges had accuracies of several meters (or several yards),
continuing improvements in the lasers and the detection
electronics have led to recent measurements that are
accurate to about 3 centimeters (about 1 inch).

From the ranging experiments, scientists know that the
average distance between the centers of the Earth and the
moon is 385,000 kilometers (239,000 miles), showing that
modern lunar ranges have relative accuracies of better than
one part in 10 billion.

"This level of accuracy represents one of the most
precise distance measurements ever made," Dickey said. "The
degree of accuracy is equivalent to determining the distance
between Los Angeles and New York to one fiftieth of an
inch."

Laser ranging has also made possible a wealth of new
information about the dynamics and structure of the moon.
Among many new observations, scientists now believe that the
moon may harbor a liquid core. The theory has been proposed
from data on the moon's rate of rotation and very slight
bobbing motions caused by gravitational forces from the sun
and Earth.

Other recent findings from the laser ranging
experiments include:

-- Verification of Einstein's theory of relativity,
which states that all bodies fall with the same acceleration
regardless of their mass.

-- The length of an Earth day has distinct small-scale
variations, changing by about one thousandth of a second
over the course of a year. These changes are caused by the
atmosphere, tides and the Earth's core.

-- Precise positions of the laser ranging observatories
on Earth are slowly drifting as the crustal plates on Earth
drift. The observatory on Maui is seen to be drifting away
from the observatory in Texas.

-- Ocean tides on Earth have a direct influence on the
moon's orbit. Measurements show that the moon is receding
from Earth at a rate of about 3.8 centimeters (1.5 inches)
per year.

-- Lunar ranging has greatly improved scientists'
knowledge of the moon's orbit, enough to permit accurate
analyses of solar eclipses as far back as 1400 BC.

Continued improvements in range determinations and the
need for monitoring the details of the Earth's rotation will
keep the lunar reflector experiments in service for years to
come, Dickey stated in her article.

"For the immediate future, we have under way the
implementation of dramatically increased station computing
power, offset guiding capability and hands-off auto
guiding," she reported. "The benefits from these
improvements will not only be an increased number of normal
points spread over significantly more of the lunar phase,
but also a significantly increased number of photons within
a given normal range.

"Farther down the road, we foresee the availability of
more precise and more efficient photon detectors, such as
micro-channel plates, significantly improved timing systems
and shorter-pulse, more powerful lasers," she added. "This
will increase data, provide higher accuracy ranging and
improve sensitivity to lunar signatures, or conditions
brought about by the phases of the moon."

At JPL the lunar ranging analysis is carried out by JPL
scientists Drs. Jean Dickey, James G. Williams, X X Newhall
and Charles F. Yoder. The work is sponsored jointly by the
Astrophysics Division of NASA's Office of Space Science and
the Solid Earth Science Branch of NASA's Mission to Planet
Earth Office, Washington, D.C.

Additional work is done at the Joint Institute for
Laboratory Astrophysics at the University of Colorado at
Boulder; at the University of Texas in Austin; and at
Observatoire de la Cote d'Azur, Grasse, France.