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Slick · 01-30-2007, 12:57 PM

Well, I just tried to upgrade my system to Vista (I know stupid me, ha ha) and it went through and was doing it's steps, then it had to reboot, once it did, it gave me a BSOD (blue screen of death).

LUCKILY they were smart enough to incorporate into it that when you reboot, it'll give you the option to to back to your old OS or finish the install, so here I am back at XP. I used their compatability tool and it said that I could install it without any issues. I did have everything backed up everything, but I'm afraid to try it again, ha ha ha.

who · 01-30-2007, 12:58 PM

You should only try it on a formated hard drive (let the installation format it)

Sydney Sin · 01-30-2007, 12:59 PM

yup...like who said.

Slick · 01-30-2007, 01:02 PM

Thanks, perhaps I'll give that a try then. I just hate going through and putting in all of my passwords and installing everything over again. I guess that if it makes things smoother than perhaps I should.

Sosa · 01-30-2007, 01:12 PM

fresh install, fuck upgrades

3xTom · 01-30-2007, 01:13 PM

dont do it

I loaded vista last week tried it for 2 days and Ill tell yeah it really isnt worth the pain or discomfort of tring it out... 40 % of the drivers still dont work for things you may need and honestly there just isnt a reason to insall it yet... In fact i called falcon computer a couple weeks ago and they even suggest you NOT to install it yet... just my 2 cents but good luck if you decide to try again...

Tom

Slick · 01-30-2007, 01:30 PM

Well, I just was gonna let Vista whipe out my hard drive and install fresh, but the same exact thing happend. Maybe it's my computer trying to tell me that it doesn't want the upgrade, ha ha ha.

It kinda sucks though because I just dropped $159 on it. I wonder if it would've made a difference if I bought the full version.

I know I'm looking for punishment here, but when something new comes out like this, it's hard to stay away, ha ha ha.

WiredGuy · 01-30-2007, 01:32 PM

Yup, screw upgrades, always do a format when it comes to installing Windows.
WG

StuartD · 01-30-2007, 01:36 PM

I did a fresh install as a dual boot... so I have XP x64 and 64 bit Vista... both work great and I had 0 issues.

Pimpin_J · 01-30-2007, 01:40 PM

Fresh install is the way to go on VISTA

96ukssob · 01-30-2007, 01:42 PM

I was thinking about upgrading, but had major issues with my piece of shit sony with standard windows updates.

I think im going to hold off for a few months and just buy a whole new system

ridikuloz · 01-30-2007, 01:42 PM

a $400 paperweight.

woj · 01-30-2007, 01:52 PM

fresh hard drive is the only way to go, I would never upgrade windows, it's asking for a disaster..

4Man · 01-30-2007, 01:53 PM

I hate those new systems...

madawgz · 01-30-2007, 01:53 PM

dont install that, wait a year ;)

Konda · 01-30-2007, 02:04 PM

I did the upgrade last week (xp -> vista business). Didn't have much problems with drivers or anything. The only 2 programs that didn't work anymore were Kaspersky Anti Virus and Outpost. So I installed a new version of KAV and use the standard Vista firewall untill Outpost has a version available that works with Vista.
For the rest I haven't run into any problems yet.

Galina Los · 01-30-2007, 02:26 PM

So, what I want to sey about vista.........
it's bloody damn system!! guess why? few questions:
how many programs do you know is working on this operating system?
don't you think that to this time it's not very good in case of safety, that it's raw?
MB a few month lately it will be OK but not now!

flashfire · 01-30-2007, 02:30 PM

fresh install always

Antonio · 01-30-2007, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galina Los

So, what I want to sey about vista.........
it's bloody damn system!! guess why? few questions:
how many programs do you know is working on this operating system?
don't you think that to this time it's not very good in case of safety, that it's raw?
MB a few month lately it will be OK but not now!

hm, they advertise it as the safest version of Windows ever, so exactly what makes you think that's unsafe right now????

I think that a year from now it'll be less safer - just give the hackers time to find some flaws, I'd worry more about bugs n shit....

I think I might install it on one PC just to try it out

23yrOldVirgin · 01-30-2007, 03:27 PM

I ran Vista RC1 when it was released, sure it looks a little nicer, but they made alot of options and settings harder to find and change

I ordered my copy of vista, but i'm going to continue using Xp

tony286 · 01-30-2007, 03:53 PM

it will be a cold day in hell when I upgrade to vista.

Slick · 01-30-2007, 04:07 PM

Well, I'm not sure what's going on here. I was fortunate enough to have a good friend that works at the store that I bought the Vista from and since I didn't activate it with the key, he took it back and let me pay the difference for the full version.

To tell ya the truth, I don't see any difference at all between the full version and the upgrade, everything on the cd seems the same, the upgrade lets you do a fresh install and it backs up your XP files into a separate file (which is nice).

I'm getting the same exact problem though, I'm not sure what the hell to do. It goes to reboot then boom, Blue screen of death, ha ha ha. I did notice the error it gave me and did some research on it, but i can't find any cures for it. I get this error - PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA

Who knows, I guess I just won't install it then

studiocritic · 01-30-2007, 04:28 PM

you've got some bad ram.. you didn't notice it on xp

Dvae · 01-30-2007, 04:44 PM

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GhazAllOva · 01-30-2007, 04:47 PM

I tried Vista a little but there's too many applications that aren't compatible with it so I switched back. Looks pretty...

Only used it for a few days, didn't notice anything too great about it. It's like XP with some addons to make it look like Mac.

aico · 01-30-2007, 04:47 PM

After you're done buying a computer powerful enough and with enough RAM to run Vista, you might as well spent the extra $100 and bought a Mac.

Manowar · 01-30-2007, 04:49 PM

it beasts machines, but definitely and improvement over XP

WZRogeR · 01-30-2007, 04:51 PM

I know that vista is sucks!

MattO · 01-30-2007, 04:55 PM

I'm waiting for Windows Xeiixes.

iwantchixx · 01-30-2007, 05:19 PM

Vista is a pretty rocking OS. I just had some training on Vista recently and to be 100% honest... don't bother to upgrade until mid 2007. Manufacturers have no drivers ready, software tittles are not all ready, even major companies like HP have ZERO Vista drivers yet. Only their factory installed PC's have proper drivers. A lot of companies are the same way.

The different versions of Vista are ridiculous too. There's over a half dozen versions now with many varying degrees of features. The new Office application bundle has changed too. They are also charging a yearly fee for 'Live' integration. Choose what you need wisely then wait until all your hardware is supported by the OS, the manufacturers have released non-beta drivers and all the initial bugs have been cleared from Vista.

Andre · 01-30-2007, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sydney Sin

yup...like who said.

who said what?

L-Pink · 01-30-2007, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dvae

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I've been a guinea pig for Apple many times.

Peaches · 01-30-2007, 05:44 PM

I tried ordering a Sony last week as well as trying to find one at Costco. Seems Costco was selling off their stock of XP's and Sony was upgrading as today there's no problem ordering from their site - with Vista on the notebook, of course.

I'm going to wait awhile and see how it's working on new computers before taking the plunge.

sandman! · 01-30-2007, 05:47 PM

grab a spare hd install it on it see if it runs fine then wipe your main drive

Slick · 01-30-2007, 07:26 PM

I took a break from trying to install it, now I"m back.

Here's a rundown on how it goes. They want you to run the disk while you're in Windows, in both instances where it whipes the drive clean or doing an upgrade, it runs through and copies the files fine, but when it reboots and tries to continue the install process, I get a general "blue screen".

When I try running the install fresh from a reboot (without doing it within windows first), it goes to a blank screen with a little line that moves, kinda like the XP line when you boot up, however it sits there. I did hear that it sometimes takes up to 20 minutes, so I let that sit there for over a half hour, the hard drive doesn't do anything, so I'm assuming it's not doing anything. After it does that, I reboot and let it go back into the install, then I get the page fault message.

As far as my ram being bad, I have no problems in XP. I do have 4 gigs of ram though, so I'm not sure if that's why it's giving a problem ?? Other than that, my system is pretty powerful. I have an AMD FX60 CPU and 2 Nvidia Geforce 7900 GTXs SLI'd.

When I ran the compatability, it said that the only problems were my sound card and video card, but they do all have Vista drivers, so I figured that I could just install them afterwards.

I'm not sure what to do here, I guess I'll tinker around some more.

TSGlider · 01-30-2007, 07:35 PM

You're brave. I wouldn't have the balls to take a stab at Vista for at least a year.

Aric · 01-30-2007, 07:37 PM

Just so you guys know, if you buy/use the upgrade version of Vista, it requires XP or 2000 to be INSTALLED ALREADY.

So that means if you ever need to format, you first have to install XP or 2000 and then upgrade to Vista... They're pretty confident in Vista's disaster recovery

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Originally Posted by Slashdot

Ars Technica is reporting that upgrade versions of Windows Vista Home Basic, Premium, and Starter Edition cannot be installed on a PC unless Windows XP or Windows 2000 is already installed. This is a change from previous versions of Windows, which only required a valid license key. This change has the potential to make disaster recovery very tedious. The article says: 'For its part, Microsoft seems to be confident that the Vista repair process should be sufficient to solve any problems with the OS, since otherwise the only option for disaster recovery in the absence of backups would be to wipe a machine, install XP, and then upgrade to Vista. This will certainly make disaster recovery a more irritating experience.

Full Article on ARSTechnica

Have fun!

Slick · 01-31-2007, 12:18 AM

Well, I found out the problem, someone else was right, it was a ram issue. I'm not sure if there's a problem with my ram, but as a last resort, I ended up pulling out 3-gigs of the ram, leaving in only a single 1-gig stick and it's installing just fine. I'll wait for it to finish installing, then I'll try to get that ram back in there

One thing that I find interesting about the actual DVDs is that the dvds are exactly the same in the upgrade and full version kits, the only difference is the key that comes with it, which of course are upgrade and full version keys.

holabeano · 01-31-2007, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ridikuloz

a $400 paperweight.

lol

if only bill gates can read this right now

Fizzgig · 01-31-2007, 01:20 AM

Always wait at least a year after a new OS comes out.

RawAlex · 01-31-2007, 01:27 AM

Slick, there are sometimes some really weird issues with all windows software regarding the last 500 meg of memory or so. My current machine has 4 gigs ofram, but windows only seens 3.49 gig. There are issues about addressability and memory location overlays (a little too techie for me to be bothered figuring it out).

Windows has a "copy your system" utlity that allows you to make a backup of all your "stuff" to another hard drive, then go ahead with your upgrade, and then install all that stuff back at the end. I haven't tried it yet (I want to give vista a while to screw up first before I think about moving on).

venus · 01-31-2007, 02:08 AM

Looks like yahoo messanger is making vista crash and display the blue screen of death.

took me a few hours to get it narrowed down but that looks like the problem and yahoo does not have a vista compatable version available yet.

so if your getting the blue screen and running yahoo msg'r stop using it and see if it fixes your problems

JohnnyE4A · 01-31-2007, 02:23 AM

From a die hard Mac fan, Vista looks interesting. My plan was to get a new Mac when Leopard came out. A Leopard/Vista dual booting Mac Pro would be sweet!

DutchTeenCash · 01-31-2007, 04:52 AM

rite

ill wait

AlexN · 01-31-2007, 04:57 AM

I'll wait for the first service pack to come out.

And I agree, fresh install only. I learned that after screwing up my PC with upgrading to XP.

RBC · 01-31-2007, 05:01 AM

at least voice recognition works perfect...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IkeC7HpsHxo

Scott McD · 01-31-2007, 05:12 AM

I'm in no rush at all to change over. Things are running fine just now, so why change...

Barefootsies · 01-31-2007, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Yup, screw upgrades, always do a format when it comes to installing Windows.
WG

Correct sire.

Cyber Fucker · 01-31-2007, 05:39 AM

I will stay with my highly customized XP... if something is good then why change?

just a punk · 01-31-2007, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick

It kinda sucks though because I just dropped $159 on it. I wonder if it would've made a difference if I bought the full version.

That's bad for you. Consider yourself as just an another victim of m$ commercial. Here is some good info on the OS you just bought: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...ista_cost.html - enjoy

01-30-2007, 12:57 PM	#1
Slick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houghton, MI Posts: 7,338	Fucking Vista !! Well, I just tried to upgrade my system to Vista (I know stupid me, ha ha) and it went through and was doing it's steps, then it had to reboot, once it did, it gave me a BSOD (blue screen of death). LUCKILY they were smart enough to incorporate into it that when you reboot, it'll give you the option to to back to your old OS or finish the install, so here I am back at XP. I used their compatability tool and it said that I could install it without any issues. I did have everything backed up everything, but I'm afraid to try it again, ha ha ha.

01-30-2007, 01:32 PM	#8
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,488	Yup, screw upgrades, always do a format when it comes to installing Windows. WG __________________ I play with Google.

01-30-2007, 01:36 PM	#9
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	I did a fresh install as a dual boot... so I have XP x64 and 64 bit Vista... both work great and I had 0 issues. __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

01-30-2007, 01:40 PM	#10
Pimpin_J Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SplitInfinity.com Posts: 3,637	Fresh install is the way to go on VISTA __________________

01-30-2007, 01:42 PM	#11
96ukssob So Fucking Banananananas Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: If I was in your ass you'd know it Posts: 12,991	I was thinking about upgrading, but had major issues with my piece of shit sony with standard windows updates. I think im going to hold off for a few months and just buy a whole new system __________________ Email: Clicky on Me

01-30-2007, 12:58 PM	#2
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	You should only try it on a formated hard drive (let the installation format it)

01-30-2007, 12:59 PM	#3
Sydney Sin Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 223	yup...like who said.

01-30-2007, 01:02 PM	#4
Slick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houghton, MI Posts: 7,338	Thanks, perhaps I'll give that a try then. I just hate going through and putting in all of my passwords and installing everything over again. I guess that if it makes things smoother than perhaps I should.

01-30-2007, 01:12 PM	#5
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	fresh install, fuck upgrades

01-30-2007, 01:13 PM	#6
3xTom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,610	dont do it I loaded vista last week tried it for 2 days and Ill tell yeah it really isnt worth the pain or discomfort of tring it out... 40 % of the drivers still dont work for things you may need and honestly there just isnt a reason to insall it yet... In fact i called falcon computer a couple weeks ago and they even suggest you NOT to install it yet... just my 2 cents but good luck if you decide to try again... Tom

01-30-2007, 01:30 PM	#7
Slick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houghton, MI Posts: 7,338	Well, I just was gonna let Vista whipe out my hard drive and install fresh, but the same exact thing happend. Maybe it's my computer trying to tell me that it doesn't want the upgrade, ha ha ha. It kinda sucks though because I just dropped $159 on it. I wonder if it would've made a difference if I bought the full version. I know I'm looking for punishment here, but when something new comes out like this, it's hard to stay away, ha ha ha.

01-30-2007, 01:42 PM	#12
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01-30-2007, 01:52 PM	#13
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01-30-2007, 01:53 PM	#14
4Man Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,830	I hate those new systems...

01-30-2007, 01:53 PM	#15
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01-30-2007, 02:04 PM	#16
Konda ... Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,280	I did the upgrade last week (xp -> vista business). Didn't have much problems with drivers or anything. The only 2 programs that didn't work anymore were Kaspersky Anti Virus and Outpost. So I installed a new version of KAV and use the standard Vista firewall untill Outpost has a version available that works with Vista. For the rest I haven't run into any problems yet.

01-30-2007, 02:26 PM	#17
Galina Los Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 393	holly shit! So, what I want to sey about vista......... it's bloody damn system!! guess why? few questions: how many programs do you know is working on this operating system? don't you think that to this time it's not very good in case of safety, that it's raw? MB a few month lately it will be OK but not now! __________________ AMM Cash - BDSM & Spanking

01-30-2007, 02:30 PM	#18
flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	fresh install always

01-30-2007, 03:27 PM	#20
23yrOldVirgin Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 92	I ran Vista RC1 when it was released, sure it looks a little nicer, but they made alot of options and settings harder to find and change I ordered my copy of vista, but i'm going to continue using Xp

01-30-2007, 03:53 PM	#21
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	it will be a cold day in hell when I upgrade to vista.

01-30-2007, 04:07 PM	#22
Slick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houghton, MI Posts: 7,338	Well, I'm not sure what's going on here. I was fortunate enough to have a good friend that works at the store that I bought the Vista from and since I didn't activate it with the key, he took it back and let me pay the difference for the full version. To tell ya the truth, I don't see any difference at all between the full version and the upgrade, everything on the cd seems the same, the upgrade lets you do a fresh install and it backs up your XP files into a separate file (which is nice). I'm getting the same exact problem though, I'm not sure what the hell to do. It goes to reboot then boom, Blue screen of death, ha ha ha. I did notice the error it gave me and did some research on it, but i can't find any cures for it. I get this error - PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA Who knows, I guess I just won't install it then

01-30-2007, 04:28 PM	#23
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01-30-2007, 04:47 PM	#25
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01-30-2007, 04:47 PM	#26
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	After you're done buying a computer powerful enough and with enough RAM to run Vista, you might as well spent the extra $100 and bought a Mac.

01-30-2007, 04:49 PM	#27
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	it beasts machines, but definitely and improvement over XP

01-30-2007, 04:51 PM	#28
WZRogeR My Sig was too Big! :( Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,126	I know that vista is sucks! __________________

01-30-2007, 04:55 PM	#29
MattO The O is for Oohhh Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: AUSTIN TEJAS Posts: 10,861	I'm waiting for Windows Xeiixes.

01-30-2007, 05:19 PM	#30
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	Vista is a pretty rocking OS. I just had some training on Vista recently and to be 100% honest... don't bother to upgrade until mid 2007. Manufacturers have no drivers ready, software tittles are not all ready, even major companies like HP have ZERO Vista drivers yet. Only their factory installed PC's have proper drivers. A lot of companies are the same way. The different versions of Vista are ridiculous too. There's over a half dozen versions now with many varying degrees of features. The new Office application bundle has changed too. They are also charging a yearly fee for 'Live' integration. Choose what you need wisely then wait until all your hardware is supported by the OS, the manufacturers have released non-beta drivers and all the initial bugs have been cleared from Vista.

01-30-2007, 05:44 PM	#33
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	I tried ordering a Sony last week as well as trying to find one at Costco. Seems Costco was selling off their stock of XP's and Sony was upgrading as today there's no problem ordering from their site - with Vista on the notebook, of course. I'm going to wait awhile and see how it's working on new computers before taking the plunge.

01-30-2007, 05:47 PM	#34
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01-30-2007, 07:26 PM	#35
Slick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houghton, MI Posts: 7,338	I took a break from trying to install it, now I"m back. Here's a rundown on how it goes. They want you to run the disk while you're in Windows, in both instances where it whipes the drive clean or doing an upgrade, it runs through and copies the files fine, but when it reboots and tries to continue the install process, I get a general "blue screen". When I try running the install fresh from a reboot (without doing it within windows first), it goes to a blank screen with a little line that moves, kinda like the XP line when you boot up, however it sits there. I did hear that it sometimes takes up to 20 minutes, so I let that sit there for over a half hour, the hard drive doesn't do anything, so I'm assuming it's not doing anything. After it does that, I reboot and let it go back into the install, then I get the page fault message. As far as my ram being bad, I have no problems in XP. I do have 4 gigs of ram though, so I'm not sure if that's why it's giving a problem ?? Other than that, my system is pretty powerful. I have an AMD FX60 CPU and 2 Nvidia Geforce 7900 GTXs SLI'd. When I ran the compatability, it said that the only problems were my sound card and video card, but they do all have Vista drivers, so I figured that I could just install them afterwards. I'm not sure what to do here, I guess I'll tinker around some more.

01-30-2007, 07:35 PM	#36
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01-31-2007, 12:18 AM	#38
Slick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houghton, MI Posts: 7,338	Well, I found out the problem, someone else was right, it was a ram issue. I'm not sure if there's a problem with my ram, but as a last resort, I ended up pulling out 3-gigs of the ram, leaving in only a single 1-gig stick and it's installing just fine. I'll wait for it to finish installing, then I'll try to get that ram back in there One thing that I find interesting about the actual DVDs is that the dvds are exactly the same in the upgrade and full version kits, the only difference is the key that comes with it, which of course are upgrade and full version keys.

01-31-2007, 01:20 AM	#40
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