"The majority of adult webmasters want .xxx - only the radicals from the FSC dont"

[polish_aristocrat]

or at least this is what this idiot claims

I and MANY other adult content providers DO WANT .XXX. Please
do NOT believe the radicals from the FSC. They would want you
to believe that the adult community does not support .xxx, this
is simply not true. I was at the FSC meeting, several years
ago, where ICM presented. It appeared to me, that the MAJORITY
of those attending wanted .xxx. Unfortunately, the paranoid
radicals in the group represent their voice. They continue to
want to hide and avoid any responsibility. This was made clear
during the Senate hearings on pornography. Their statement
through, their attorney, said that they believe it is the
problem of the parents to protect their own children.

THE MAJORITY of adult webmasters DO support the creation of .xxx

Jeff Ratcliff

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00411.html


sucks that he didn't sign his letter with the url of the company he owns or represents

[escorpio]

"Unfortunately, the paranoid
radicals in the group represent their voice. They continue to
want to hide and avoid any responsibility. This was made clear
during the Senate hearings on pornography. Their statement
through, their attorney, said that they believe it is the
problem of the parents to protect their own children."


Yeah, only a "paranoid radical" would believe it is the parents duty to monitor their children when it is cleary the governments job.

[Barefootsies]

[polish_aristocrat]

everyone can SEE SIG to get more info about .xxx and write their opposition letters to ICANN

here's a great article about .xxx showing that in fact noone wants it

Why the .xxx - would anyone want a top-level domain for porn?

Seth Finkelstein
Thursday January 25, 2007
The Guardian


The idea of a ".xxx" web suffix for porn sites is the internet's vampire: it seems nothing can kill it. Censors often oppose it because they believe anything that can be construed as legitimisation of pornography will hinder their efforts against it. Civil libertarians oppose it on grounds such as the threat of it being used to marginalise a wide range of material having to do with sexuality. Adult webmasters widely view it with suspicion, as anyone who has a ghettoisation scheme to "help" them usually isn't doing them a favour.

In fact, it is very difficult to find any lobbying group in favour of .xxx, with one notable exception. Namely, a company called ICM Registry, which would hand out .xxx site registrations, and would be given a money-making machine. The .xxx vampire has risen again because Icann, the organisation in charge of top-level domains, recently revisited the question of whether it should approve it as a "Voluntary Adult Top-Level Domain".
Too much of the punditry about this consists of repeating clichés about kids and red lights. But, leaving aside where one stands on issues of censorship, the .xxx domain is a bad idea purely from a business standpoint. To begin with, it provides no additional technical value. Labelling schemes have been around for years, and there already are systems that provide all .xxx could do. Putting such a label into a domain extension accomplishes nothing useful and gives the registry a monopoly.

Some people who support .xxx are apparently unaware of the long history of rating and labelling, as shown by the fact that already tried ideas are being reinvented, badly. (See, for example, the memo .sex Considered Dangerous').

Furthermore, many sites that already exist would not want to switch their names. If they already have a user base, why do anything which could disrupt operations? If the new domain is truly voluntary, a purchase would have to pass a cost-benefit analysis. But ICM Registry still has a virtually guaranteed market. Three notable groups would rush to purchase .xxx domains:

· Corporations not associated with pornography who will want to protect their trademarks. They will register their trademark names as domains for defensive purposes - not because they want to put a site on the domain, but so someone else cannot. This is a perpetual stream of income for the registry, and at the planned price of $60 (£30) for each domain, it will be a big chunk of money.

· Domain-name speculators who will want to get common words for potential resale value. These people don't want to run a site themselves, they want to resell the name to others.

These first two groups are pure profit to the .xxx registry. Since they aren't running sites themselves, there are no verification or compliance costs associated in determining if the domains are following registry policies.

· Bona fide pornographers, who will register the .xxx domain names corresponding to their existing .com domain names to avoid speculators, or so a competitor doesn't do it to cause market confusion, or as insurance in case some future law makes the .xxx domain mandatory for their content. This is similar to the trademark reason: it's defensive.

None of these registrations and associated registration revenue has anything to do with protecting children. It's all about fear that someone else will use the names, or greed to resell the names. Essentially, whoever gets the .xxx registry is playing the above groups against each other in a game of fear, uncertainty, and doubt - and collecting a large fee no matter who wins.

And pointing to the amount of preregistration claims shouldn't be used to imply that anybody actually wants the .xxx domain. Again, speculators may want it, but not for a reason anyone else would endorse. (Comments can be made to ICANN until February 5at [email protected] and viewed here). Surely, if everyone from civil libertarians and censors to adult industry webmasters says .xxx is a bad idea then maybe we can all agree it's a bad idea, and finally put a stake through its heart.

[scottybuzz]

what can a noob like me do to help polish?

[DarkJedi]

I want the .xxx to go through so all you sigwhores would go back to scrubbing urinals at McDs.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

what can a noob like me do to help polish?

Send an email to [email protected] saying:

Hello,

I am a succesfull and responsible adult webmaster and I'm writing you to let you know that I am strongly opposed the the .xxx domain name idea.

While it sounds that the ICM Registry has good intensions, it is a clearly money driven proposal. ICM has no support in the adult webmaster community - the responsile part of our community fully supports self regulation, but we don't want to be regulated by outside companies, with no relations to our community.

I also feel that .xxx won't be a success also because of the surprisingly high cost ($75 per domain) of the proposed .xxx domains. It will not help parents to protect their children, if anything, it will give them a false security. The majority of adult webmasters won't abandon their current .com and ..net domains to move to .xxx - in fact .xxx domains will be mostly registered by domain speculators and by companies wanting to protect their trademarks.

Overall, .xxx won't accomplish anything and it's a clearly bad proposal, with no support at all from the adult webmasters community.

you may want to change a few things

so send something like this to ICANN, then confirm your message few minutes later and you're done. You may then come to me and I will buy you a beer as well

[tony286]

Well think about it, Where are the letters from playboy,adult.com, nasty brothers, bang brothers, vivid, adam &eve, digital playground,Club Jenna,Danni etc etc? Think about it besides Larry which other big players wrote,even the big players that post here regularly are very silent on this issue? I feel the big boys want this its a way to push out the small guys.

[EZRhino]

Fuck .xxx tld, bad idea for all webmasters.

[davecummings]

Originally Posted by tony404

Well think about it, Where are the letters from playboy,adult.com, nasty brothers, bang brothers, vivid, adam &eve, digital playground,Club Jenna,Danni etc etc? Think about it besides Larry which other big players wrote,even the big players that post here regularly are very silent on this issue? I feel the big boys want this its a way to push out the small guys.

I hope XBIZ can convince ASACP to rescind their past letter of support -- anyone know anyone there who you can request that to be done?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by davecummings

I hope XBIZ can convince ASACP to rescind their past letter of support -- anyone know anyone there who you can request that to be done?

From what I remember it wasnt ASACP it was Joan and she added her title to her letter. Mr Cummings you run with the big boys put pressure on them to write

[Persignup Qon]

already posted my letter... FUCK .XXX

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by tony404

Well think about it, Where are the letters from playboy,adult.com, nasty brothers, bang brothers, vivid, adam &eve, digital playground,Club Jenna,Danni etc etc? Think about it besides Larry which other big players wrote,even the big players that post here regularly are very silent on this issue? I feel the big boys want this its a way to push out the small guys.

it has the potential to speed up the process of shrinking the number of players in the game, allowing the rich larger companies to squat all over domains that would otherwise go to traffic source sites, and for those programs to obtain the traffic themselves.

All of those millions spent on type in domains that will no longer be allowed to point to porn. A huge loss!

I would hope that the larger players would come and protect the affiliates and traffic programs that have made them as rich as they are, rather than using this as a chance to sink a knife into out collective backs.

[davecummings]

Originally Posted by tony404

From what I remember it wasnt ASACP it was Joan and she added her title to her letter. Mr Cummings you run with the big boys put pressure on them to write

I have been, still am, and will continue --but ALL of us need to do whatever we can to get the big guys to act NOW!!!!!

Dave

P.S. At that Cybernet Expo, I recall hearing Joan saying that her "Board" made the decision. I wonder who was on her board at that time, and what they recall and want to share the blame for!

[Clean_Franck]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

Send an email to [email protected] saying:




you may want to change a few things

so send something like this to ICANN, then confirm your message few minutes later and you're done. You may then come to me and I will buy you a beer as well

will do right now!

[Clean_Franck]

yuguyyhuguyg

[Rhesus]

Bump for a good cause

[chodadog]

Everyone should also be suggesting a .kids TLD which would certainly make it easier for parents to prevent their children from accessing obscene material (not just pornography).

[seeric]

i'm hearing that it is a done deal. i won't give up and when it happens at least i tried. fear not, there are those that shake your hands at shows that are working in the background to take what you've worked for.

.xxx will cause a shit storm like never seen. many of you will be back working 9-5. sad but true.

thank god i have my professional entertainment, sound and lighting, and musical skills if i have to. you never know.

someone, somewhere, right now, is planning to take what is yours. mind you that.

hold on tight if what i am hearing is true.

[FuqALot]

I hope the .xxx registrars will accept gmail or hotmail

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

i'm hearing that it is a done deal. i won't give up and when it happens at least i tried. fear not, there are those that shake your hands at shows that are working in the background to take what you've worked for.

.xxx will cause a shit storm like never seen. many of you will be back working 9-5. sad but true.

thank god i have my professional entertainment, sound and lighting, and musical skills if i have to. you never know.

someone, somewhere, right now, is planning to take what is yours. mind you that.

hold on tight if what i am hearing is true.

wtf? 100% done already? I mean.. still... ICANN has to vote on it from what I know....

[Rhesus]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

i'm hearing that it is a done deal. i won't give up and when it happens at least i tried. fear not, there are those that shake your hands at shows that are working in the background to take what you've worked for.

.xxx will cause a shit storm like never seen. many of you will be back working 9-5. sad but true.

thank god i have my professional entertainment, sound and lighting, and musical skills if i have to. you never know.

someone, somewhere, right now, is planning to take what is yours. mind you that.

hold on tight if what i am hearing is true.

That is a terrible rumor. Could you please email me with some more info? rhesus at gmail

Will mail you back tomorrow, have to leave now

[FuqALot]

i heard that if .xxx = deal, then u will be still able to host adult on .com , whats the fuss about ?

[Rhesus]

Originally Posted by FuqALot

i heard that if .xxx = deal, then u will be still able to host adult on .com , whats the fuss about ?

There's a continuous threat from moralists to gradually make the .xxx extension mandatory. It could then be blocked by who knows what ISPs and other services...

[FuqALot]

Originally Posted by Rhesus

There's a continuous threat from moralists to gradually make the .xxx extension mandatory. It could then be blocked by who knows what ISPs and other services...

im tired of those people

but dont worry, not gonna happen, internet's too 'international'

forcing your own banks to not process illegal gambling money is one thing,

but forcing isps to not load sex .com, is quite another thing

[StarkReality]

Originally Posted by Rhesus

There's a continuous threat from moralists to gradually make the .xxx extension mandatory. It could then be blocked by who knows what ISPs and other services...

Yup, and they would sell it as an act needed to protect out children and maybe even try to monetize it by offering some "internet porn access flatrate" for just 19.99$ a month...I bet some ISP would just love to do that !

[JD]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

wtf? 100% done already? I mean.. still... ICANN has to vote on it from what I know....

<vote>
All in favor of making $40,000,000,000 for doing absolutely nothing please raise your hand.
</vote>

Gee i wonder how that vote will turn out...

[tony286]

they are invited to speak at Xbiz, what does it look like to you. This is a short sighted industry of whores, its very sad.

[stickyfingerz]

What would keep Icann from not getting their asses sued off?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

What would keep Icann from not getting their asses sued off?

Well they are based in the US so it could happen anyone can sue anyone I guess.

[Rhesus]

Originally Posted by FuqALot

im tired of those people

but dont worry, not gonna happen, internet's too 'international'

forcing your own banks to not process illegal gambling money is one thing,

but forcing isps to not load sex .com, is quite another thing

Where am I saying they are forced to block .xxx if .xxx becomes mandatory? But if it is mandatory, it will become all the easier for ISPs to just block it, on individual parents request. It would happen, I'm sure.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

<vote>
All in favor of making $40,000,000,000 for doing absolutely nothing please raise your hand.
</vote>

Gee i wonder how that vote will turn out...

well its not THAT simple

keep in mind they rejected .xxx in May 2006 (and earlier in 2000 or so as well) and the most important guys like the ICANN Chairman, President, perpahs also vice-president were all against it

well..correction - they didn't reject it, but they voted not to approve it

surely ICANN is partially also money motivated, but it's not that their main goal is to make money - its the case of ICM, not ICANN

ICANN also feels the controversy - if there was no controversy, then .xxx would be already approved, like it happened with .travel or .mobi (useless extensions IMO but at least no controversial so they were approved fast)

the point is also that both the religious groups like Focus on Family and Family Research Council were against .xxx and so was/is the adult industry in general, and the small changes made in the new proposed .xxx registry agreement compared to the one from last year, dont change the thing that still both the adult industry as well as the family gropus are AGAINST .xxx

the only thing I don't see happening anymore is the involvement of the Department of Commerce, they aren't vocal about it anymore, probably becaue they were critisised for their involvement in killing .xxx last year. In summary several other countries are/were also strongly opposed to .xxx (not only the US) but at the same time there were other countries who didn't give a fuck about .xxx and they wanted to critisize the US for their involvement in killing .xxx

yes, I'd agree with them, that the internet is not American - I understand their arguments, but in this situation the US Department of Commerce acted as our ally

so perhaps A1R3k is right - and the .xxx is closer to being accepted today than ever, but still I don't think that the ICM guys gave $1Million to the ICANN guys unde the table to buy every vote of every ICANN board director

so I feel we can still fight against .xxx

[gleem]

Originally Posted by tony404

Well think about it, Where are the letters from playboy,adult.com, nasty brothers, bang brothers, vivid, adam &eve, digital playground,Club Jenna,Danni etc etc? Think about it besides Larry which other big players wrote,even the big players that post here regularly are very silent on this issue? I feel the big boys want this its a way to push out the small guys.

of course, these guys all have their .xxx deals ready to go, domains secured, kickbacks in place..

get ready for anal penetration medium - small size fishies!

[Anthony]

I was at that meeting years ago in 2003.

I remember the room of hands up being almost even, with the slight edge of against .xxx not for.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

I want the .xxx to go through so all you sigwhores would go back to scrubbing urinals at McDs.

And you will be working with them.

[scottybuzz]

i sent a letter in polish. i used the name scott dulne.

hope i did my part ok.

[BlackCrayon]

the only people in favor of .xxx are the greedy piece of shit fucks who should be shot on spot for not having any concern than their own for lining their own pockets and putting others out of business for the sake of another pile of money. eat shit and die motherfuckers! yes this is directed to all the big programs who want to put the small guy out of business, the 'players' who feel they are above everyone else and and the little asshole retards who think the only way to get ahead in the game is to try and jump on some prime xxx domains which in reality they will never ever get.

[James_Hotmovies]

the sky is always falling.

get an umbrella.

[Kimmykim]

Originally Posted by tony404

they are invited to speak at Xbiz, what does it look like to you. This is a short sighted industry of whores, its very sad.

I would say your comments are pretty short sighted. The stupid thing hasn't become reality, hopefully won't become reality, but comments directed at XBiz for inviting someone to speak on a panel that will draw webmasters to it is simply a business decision.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

I would say your comments are pretty short sighted. The stupid thing hasn't become reality, hopefully won't become reality, but comments directed at XBiz for inviting someone to speak on a panel that will draw webmasters to it is simply a business decision.

You dont think ICANN isnt watching ? Your the one that is short sighted. Also are you that naive to think they are going to tell audience the truth. Thats funny. All it will show is the adult industry is embracing .xxx bad move.
Your another that I cant take serious because I would bet a bunch of your clients want this.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by js_nice_guy

the sky is always falling.

get an umbrella.

well.... your company National A-1 Internet is listed as one of those who oppose .xxx

http://www.fightthedotxxx.com/

[Rhesus]

Never mind

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

i sent a letter in polish. i used the name scott dulne.

hope i did my part ok.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by davecummings

I have been, still am, and will continue --but ALL of us need to do whatever we can to get the big guys to act NOW!!!!!

Dave

P.S. At that Cybernet Expo, I recall hearing Joan saying that her "Board" made the decision. I wonder who was on her board at that time, and what they recall and want to share the blame for!

her "board" need to start pushing loudly for .kid rather than giving more of a headache for an industry that is trying hard to work with them

[slavdogg]

the people that will benefit the most from dot xxx are the dot com domain holders. No Matter what site you put up on dot xxx it will forever leak traffic to a dot com. Another example lets say 10% of ISPs block access to dot xxx, where do you think that surfer will go ? Do you think he'll ever try going to a dot xxx site again ?? This is going to be a nightmare for everyone and .xxx paysite owners will be hurting big time with chargebacks.

The only people that will benefit from this are the lawyers
all the lawsuits and UDRP cases to get a .xxx domain of their existing dot com site (adult and non adult)

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by slavdogg

the people that will benefit the most from dot xxx are the dot com domain holders.

well i was thinking that in let's say 5 years from now .xxx could get more popular and then surfers would already asssociate online porn with .xxx

this could actually hurt dot com owners, f.e let's say you own Milf.com after a few years you could lose a part of the natural typeins to it, a part of surfers would be typing in milf.xxx

so it would suck to you, unless you owned also milf.xxx

don't you think?

[Sarah_Jayne]

anybody read the comment from the person in favor of .xxx that also wants people to have to put in their social security number in order to access .xxx domains? Let us go beyond the fact that people other than Americans use the internet but why should somebody have to inform the gov't of what legal sites they are surfing? I wish you could reply to those comments.

[Trixxxia]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

it has the potential to speed up the process of shrinking the number of players in the game, allowing the rich larger companies to squat all over domains that would otherwise go to traffic source sites, and for those programs to obtain the traffic themselves.

All of those millions spent on type in domains that will no longer be allowed to point to porn. A huge loss!

I would hope that the larger players would come and protect the affiliates and traffic programs that have made them as rich as they are, rather than using this as a chance to sink a knife into out collective backs.

Alex, although I agree with you somewhat - all those 'type-ins' may not come for quite a while. People will be reluctant to type in .xxx for fear that they are being tracked or tagged. They'll instead go looking on p2p networks or search engines in hopes of finding porn.

It will be a Trojan Horse for the ones not opposing it. Once they have it, they can easily be segregated by ISP's, by Search Engines, by wives, by colleges. They can easily be dropped from affiliates that know how to provide the traffic.

Remember, a majority of these companies still depend on affiliates for their traffic (they may have a lot of traffic but it's because of years and years of links and linking from affiliates - once those domains aren't good anymore & not pointing to the .XXX TLD, it's gone) & it will definitely take about 1-2 years for them to build up their traffic sources again. That's 'IF' they manage to get back the same affiliates & the same quantity.

If they can afford to wait - good but this will be like the internet being reborn. Difference is, their competition (which will still be growing but not be affected by this) will be P2P networks and scumware that can still direct the traffic wherever 'they' want. They are shooting themselves in the foot:
1) CPA per member will go up
2) Their cashflow will take a huge hit
3) Most will not comfortably have the financial safety net to support their huge companies & overhead for the next 1-2 years.

If these people do not see how this TLD will affect the entire industry unfavorably, I strongly suggest they sit down with people who can explain cause and effect to them and how it will trickle into their pockets from many directions.

Even 'show' organizers will no longer have the income source of shows. They can forget their elaborate shows for the next 3 years after XXX is implemented. Affiliates will be too busy trying to build their traffic again - sponsors will not be blowing 50k+ in order to promote their program to affiliates that will not be travelling and spending money to go to shows.

Also - take note::: when the affiliates start rebuilding their traffic again, I can assure you that it won't be the wild west anymore. People will be looking with a magnifying glass on which sponsors backed this TLD that caused their entire business model to become useless from one day to the next.

Remember, a Trojan Horse can look like the blessing from the heavens (as per your buddies that are getting kickbacks to push this thing through) but once it's here, you too shall suffer because of it.

[polish_aristocrat]

Trixxia, so long post, but where were/are TopBucks when it comes to protesting against the proposed .xxx domain name ?

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Rhesus

There's a continuous threat from moralists to gradually make the .xxx extension mandatory.

What do you mean by mandatory? Who will enforce this?