Betonsports guy is now a fugitive..

[xxweekxx]

well i guess if you are facing 20 charges what do you do?

http://www.theonlinewire.com/articleView.aspx?ID=2295

[xxweekxx]

nobody thinks this is interesting?

[DamageX]

The Interpol is actively seeking the whereabouts of Gary Stephen Kaplan, founder of beleaguered BETonSPORTS. The charges are extortion and fraud.

WTF, extortion and fraud?!?

[xxweekxx]

american justice for you..

[Nookster]

That's fuckin crazy. Me and my partner had a marketing deal with that guy and the shit hit the fan...i'de love to see them try and come after us though, that would be some fun shit.

[Theo]

this is bullshit,wtf is going on in this world...

[Daruma]

fact: Kaplan has been on the wanted list for a long long time before this summers arrests of the CEO for BetonSports while in transit

fact: the whole USA gambling hardon that the gov has is bullshit and even to a certain extent Vegas and state casino driven

[mavtaxi]

Run Norman, run...and hide )....

[SxDx]

gambling is like drugs...people are going to find a way to get their hands on it. might as well legalize it

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by SxDx

gambling is like drugs...people are going to find a way to get their hands on it. might as well legalize it

And tax it! Same with pot already.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by Rochard

And tax it! Same with pot already.

Yes, there are good arguments for it.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Betonsports guy is now a fugitive..
++++++++++++++

All that money.. for what?

[Jman]

The rest of the world is about to step in on this. Can't wait for the WTC to decide that enough is enough.

America is losing face to the world, when it was once a great country that everyone admired.

[samsam]

wow things have gone bezerk.

America is FUCKING crazy to make normal business people look like criminals in this way. FUCKED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!

[samsam]

AMERICA IS FUCKED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Entrepreneurs and business people are now criminals? Lock us all up then! FUCKERS!

[Fetish Gimp]

He should blame it all on the one-armed man.

[Screaming]

anyone wanna make a bet as to when hell be cought?

[stev0]

"land of the free" indeed.... lol, rediculous

[SykkBoy]

While I think it is bullshit, the fact remains that online gambling in the US is illegal. I think people should be allowed to blow their money any way they want, but when you know that it is illegal and still engage in it, you have to take responsibiliy for breaking the law. Just like China's anti-porn laws...if I go over there and start shooting porn and get arrested, it's my fault for doing something illegal in that country.

I know that eventually (once the brick and mortar casinos here put enough $$ behind it) we'll see regulated, US sanctioned online ambling, heavily taxed and producing income...it just sucks to have to wait for it...and the fact it'll squeeze out any smaller companies because the lincesing fees for something like that isn't going to be cheap...

[Pinacolada]

bump for him

[Theo]

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

While I think it is bullshit, the fact remains that online gambling in the US is illegal. I think people should be allowed to blow their money any way they want, but when you know that it is illegal and still engage in it, you have to take responsibiliy for breaking the law. Just like China's anti-porn laws...if I go over there and start shooting porn and get arrested, it's my fault for doing something illegal in that country

IT IS NOT THE SAME EXAMPLE

Here's an equivalent example: You go to China in 2008 to attend the olympic games and you get arrested for allowing in the past chinese surfers to access your sites.

how would that sound to you?

[Phoenix]

head to iceland my man..and dont come back

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

IT IS NOT THE SAME EXAMPLE

Here's an equivalent example: You go to China in 2008 to attend the olympic games and you get arrested for allowing in the past chinese surfers to access your sites.

how would that sound to you?

Like something China would do.

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by Screaming

anyone wanna make a bet as to when hell be cought?

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

head to iceland my man..and dont come back

Iceland has an Extradtion treaty with the U.S.

you gotta hide better than that

[samsam]

Originally Posted by Jamie

Iceland has an Extradtion treaty with the U.S.

you gotta hide better than that

which countries dont have extradition treaties with the us?

is there an extradition treaty website?

[Kimmykim]

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

IT IS NOT THE SAME EXAMPLE

Here's an equivalent example: You go to China in 2008 to attend the olympic games and you get arrested for allowing in the past chinese surfers to access your sites.

how would that sound to you?

That's not an equivalent example.

This would be. You used to shoot porn in China, the government found out you did. You left and moved back to the US (or somewhere that porn is legal to shoot). Then you went to China in '08 for the Olympics. You shouldn't be wondering why you're getting arrested.

I don't understand what part of this people are failing to understand. If you are doing business with US citizens with US credit cards and US bank accounts, then you are effectively transacting business in the US.

Just because you are from another country, or your company is located in another country, it does not give you the right to break the laws of ANY country where you do business.

If not collecting VAT were a criminal offense, a lot of US executives and business owners would be arrested in the EU when they visited.

For years Germany has been sending letters to people in our industry telling them to either stop selling porn in Germany or face issues if they are ever caught in Germany. Just because they've not enforced any of the letters yet, that doesn't mean they can't or won't.

I can also promise you that all of these people, ESPECIALLY the ones with sportsbooks, KNOW and UNDERSTAND that they can and probably stand a good chance of going to jail if they are caught in the US. I don't know a single gaming company that hasn't heard the Jay Cohen story, and if you read down a few paragraphs in the 2002 article he wrote, you'll figure out just who the "Largest sportsbook in England and Ireland" is in relation to this thread.

http://www.freejaycohen.com/RealStoryJayPg.html

[FuqALot]

Don't go here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ition_treaties

[FuqALot]

If you visit the website I posted above, there are not many options for him to go to. Either northern africa, russia or china. I would not go to china .. I bet that he is going to moscow. I hope he gets there in time.

[Phoenix]

i always thought iceland was the place to go...russia would be cool

id go to korea myself

[FuqALot]

Hmm looking at the options, Croatia would be a good choice too.

[FuqALot]

Oh I forgot about Andorra too. Good option.

[samsam]

Originally Posted by FuqALot

Oh I forgot about Andorra too. Good option.

andorra has no income tax either

now we know why lots of poker companies are in the Isle of man like pokerstars

USA doesnt have any extradition treaty with the isle of man

[SykkBoy]

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

That's not an equivalent example.

This would be. You used to shoot porn in China, the government found out you did. You left and moved back to the US (or somewhere that porn is legal to shoot). Then you went to China in '08 for the Olympics. You shouldn't be wondering why you're getting arrested.

I don't understand what part of this people are failing to understand. If you are doing business with US citizens with US credit cards and US bank accounts, then you are effectively transacting business in the US.

Just because you are from another country, or your company is located in another country, it does not give you the right to break the laws of ANY country where you do business.

If not collecting VAT were a criminal offense, a lot of US executives and business owners would be arrested in the EU when they visited.

For years Germany has been sending letters to people in our industry telling them to either stop selling porn in Germany or face issues if they are ever caught in Germany. Just because they've not enforced any of the letters yet, that doesn't mean they can't or won't.

I can also promise you that all of these people, ESPECIALLY the ones with sportsbooks, KNOW and UNDERSTAND that they can and probably stand a good chance of going to jail if they are caught in the US. I don't know a single gaming company that hasn't heard the Jay Cohen story, and if you read down a few paragraphs in the 2002 article he wrote, you'll figure out just who the "Largest sportsbook in England and Ireland" is in relation to this thread.

http://www.freejaycohen.com/RealStoryJayPg.html

Thanks KK, you said it as well or better than I could have

[samsam]

but what i dont get and maybe my brain is fried or i just am not thinking right, but when a chinese guy visits a porn site he gets arrested if he is in china at the time.

The china government doesnt take action against or arrest the owners of the porn site and if they did, would the US allow china to extradite? well neocons might

but these gambling entrepreneurs are being arrested and when theyre off US soil and not the guys who are doing the gambling

[samsam]

actually antigua seems like they wont agree with the US either:

http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19980401S0019

[vvq]

the law is the law. you don't have to agree with it, but if you want to be in this country you cannot break it.

[xxweekxx]

so if a country doesnt have extradition treaty with usa they cannot bring you back to usa for prosecution???

countries like United Arab Emirates, Andorra, Isle of Man, etc

[starpimps]

good, if anyone had an account with bos they would know the headaches and the bullshit..subpar sports book if you ask me

[FuqALot]

Originally Posted by samsam

actually antigua seems like they wont agree with the US either:

http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19980401S0019

yeah the article is a little outdated though and it might have even been an april funnie..

no it's not an april funniee.. quite some gambling sites there.

[FuqALot]

Originally Posted by xxweekxx

so if a country doesnt have extradition treaty with usa they cannot bring you back to usa for prosecution???

countries like United Arab Emirates, Andorra, Isle of Man, etc

even if the country where you live has one then it's not like you will be sent to the us the first in the morning. usually whatever you did has to be illegal in your country too, plus ya have to be of some profile, i.e international drug dealing.

[xxweekxx]

oooooooooooo

[VeriSexy]

whatever they can't tax is illegal

[madawgz]

thats pretty fucked up

[xxweekxx]

if you guys were facing those kinda charges and knew u would get like 20yrs in jail.. what country would you fleet to

[xxweekxx]

............

[chupacabra]

Originally Posted by xxweekxx

if you guys were facing those kinda charges and knew u would get like 20yrs in jail.. what country would you fleet to

mmm... while i know exactly where i would be heading if in his shoes, you can bet i wouldn't be sharing the locale here on GFY. the last thing i'd want is a bunch of others in the same boat all showing up there at once..!

[Splum]

He went where all the criminals go... Costa Rica

[samsam]

Originally Posted by FuqALot

even if the country where you live has one then it's not like you will be sent to the us the first in the morning. usually whatever you did has to be illegal in your country too, plus ya have to be of some profile, i.e international drug dealing.

but get this..... the US govt already thought of that:


http://www.prolexic.com/news/20060722-netcraft.php

(from above link):

"The UK government has indicated that extradition would only be considered if conduct is illegal in both the UK and America. But some industry watchers noted that the the indictment against BetOnSports includes allegations of tax evasion, which leaves open the prospect of an extradition of a UK gambling executive based on tax-related charges."

so this is why usa is making tax and money laundering accusations, to get around extradition problems. FUCKERS!!!!

[xxweekxx]

costa rica is usa friendly.. they'll give u up asap