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  • Bliggo
    Registered User
    • Jun 2006
    • 99
    #1

    YARGH! Another Google myth shot down. [Sandbox Effect]

    There is no google sandbox for new domains. Anyone that says there is lies.

    I don't see how these things get started or how they grow into monsters but I regged a domain (Created: 07-jan-2007)
    I did some *very light* Bliggo stuff with it. It was indexed the next day. Within two days it was Result #1 of Results 1 - 10 of about 40,900,000

    See sig... carry on. PS YARGH!

    I seo'd my hair yesterday and today it's a pr6
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    • RawAlex
      So Fucking Banned
      • Oct 2003
      • 9465
      #2
      Yes, but the question is what will it be 10 days from now? How deep did the bot go, or did it only really list the index page?

      Good luck.

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        • Jace
          FBOP Class Of 2013
          • Jan 2004
          • 35562
          #3
          there are so many google myths out there, I prefer to just let everyone believe all of them

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            • beemk
              CLICK HERE
              • Jan 2002
              • 20829
              #4
              you must not understand how the sandbox works then, your site will get indexed and then down the road it gets sandboxed for quite a long period of time. and sites that are sandboxed are still indexed, just dont hold any good terms usually.
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                • Big_Red
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 4147
                  #5
                  good call!
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                    • DarkJedi
                      No Refunds Issued.
                      • Feb 2001
                      • 28301
                      #6
                      worst spam evar.

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                        • DarkJedi
                          No Refunds Issued.
                          • Feb 2001
                          • 28301
                          #7
                          P.S.

                          post link or stfu.

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                            • Bliggo
                              Registered User
                              • Jun 2006
                              • 99
                              #8
                              Originally posted by beemk
                              you must not understand how the sandbox works then, your site will get indexed and then down the road it gets sandboxed for quite a long period of time. and sites that are sandboxed are still indexed, just dont hold any good terms usually.
                              Really? I've never had a new domain/site get "sandboxed" so doubtful it will happen here.

                              I seo'd my hair yesterday and today it's a pr6

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                                • SmokeyTheBear
                                  ►SouthOfHeaven
                                  • Jun 2004
                                  • 28609
                                  #9
                                  I showed a little example last week to explain a bit more about that..

                                  Theres many factors.. the sandbox as most people know it doesnt exist.

                                  Ill show you a prime example..

                                  The term "wikiality" coined by the tv show the colbert report..

                                  Domain was freshly registered and remains #1 rank for term for several months , has basially been #1 since it was registered give or take a few days
                                  hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                    • Bliggo
                                      Registered User
                                      • Jun 2006
                                      • 99
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                      worst spam evar.
                                      Heya DarkJedi.

                                      I seo'd my hair yesterday and today it's a pr6

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                                        • marketsmart
                                          HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                                          • Dec 2004
                                          • 20419
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Bliggo
                                          There is no google sandbox for new domains. Anyone that says there is lies.

                                          I don't see how these things get started or how they grow into monsters but I regged a domain (Created: 07-jan-2007)
                                          I did some *very light* Bliggo stuff with it. It was indexed the next day. Within two days it was Result #1 of Results 1 - 10 of about 40,900,000

                                          See sig... carry on. PS YARGH!
                                          you are a liar... you took a dump in my sandbox and my mom had to clean it out... you are not invited back to my house to play tonka trucks....

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                                            • Bliggo
                                              Registered User
                                              • Jun 2006
                                              • 99
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                              I showed a little example last week to explain a bit more about that..

                                              Theres many factors.. the sandbox as most people know it doesnt exist.

                                              Ill show you a prime example..

                                              The term "wikiality" coined by the tv show the colbert report..

                                              Domain was freshly registered and remains #1 rank for term for several months , has basially been #1 since it was registered give or take a few days
                                              That's uno's site right?

                                              I seo'd my hair yesterday and today it's a pr6

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                                                • Bliggo
                                                  Registered User
                                                  • Jun 2006
                                                  • 99
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by marketsmart
                                                  you are a liar... you took a dump in my sandbox and my mom had to clean it out... you are not invited back to my house to play tonka trucks....
                                                  YARGH! I'll stab ya with me Parrot in CR!

                                                  I seo'd my hair yesterday and today it's a pr6

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                                                    • marketsmart
                                                      HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                      • 20419
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                      worst spam evar.
                                                      you are the worse poster ever... do you even make any money? in anything you do? or do you just post from your whore mother's basement? and yes, your mom is a whore... i fucked her in the ass with a baseball bat and then sent her out on the street to make me some $$$$$.... after 6 hours, all she came back with was $2.90.... and she said she baged out 50 guys...

                                                      do you even know who your father is?

                                                      if you want to play in "my sandbox" you better bring it... long and strong....

                                                      idiot...

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                                                        • DarkJedi
                                                          No Refunds Issued.
                                                          • Feb 2001
                                                          • 28301
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by marketsmart
                                                          you are the worse poster ever... do you even make any money? in anything you do? or do you just post from your whore mother's basement? and yes, your mom is a whore... i fucked her in the ass with a baseball bat and then sent her out on the street to make me some $$$$$.... after 6 hours, all she came back with was $2.90.... and she said she baged out 50 guys...

                                                          do you even know who your father is?

                                                          if you want to play in "my sandbox" you better bring it... long and strong....

                                                          idiot...
                                                          don't hold back, tell us how you really feel

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                                                            • SmokeyTheBear
                                                              ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                              • 28609
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Bliggo
                                                              That's uno's site right?
                                                              Yup. although there are other factors involved. the term was also not found on google until after the domain was registered so that prob plays a big role in it being #1
                                                              hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                • free4porn
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jun 2005
                                                                  • 4654
                                                                  #17
                                                                  haven't Google even admitted the sandbox effect?!
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                                                                    • woj
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                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                      • 47882
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                      P.S.

                                                                      post link or stfu.
                                                                      exactly
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                                                                        • baddog
                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                                          • 107089
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Bliggo
                                                                          There is no google sandbox for new domains. Anyone that says there is lies.

                                                                          I don't see how these things get started or how they grow into monsters but I regged a domain (Created: 07-jan-2007)
                                                                          I did some *very light* Bliggo stuff with it. It was indexed the next day. Within two days it was Result #1 of Results 1 - 10 of about 40,900,000

                                                                          See sig... carry on. PS YARGH!
                                                                          This hardly disproves the sandbox effect, it only confirms that you don't understand what it is.

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                                                                            • Antonio
                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                              • 14136
                                                                              #20
                                                                              haha, Chio, you can do better than this but here's a bump for ya

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                                                                                • wdsguy
                                                                                  Ryde or Die
                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                  • 19568
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  it doesn't last, all my new sites get listed high for a few weeks then get sandboxed.

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                                                                                    • bdld
                                                                                      $100,000
                                                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                                                      • 11452
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      in a few weeks your site will drop down, you'll see.

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                                                                                        • pussyluver
                                                                                          Clueless OleMan
                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                          • 11009
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          The effect is reserved for cash keywords I pursue and only affects my sites. Others can spam hidden links and text, I cant. The same applies to spamming .edu and .gov TLDs. but just for others, Id get caught.

                                                                                          Oh, they'll tease me with the keywords I want, but will let me have them now for only a day or two. Sure I can have the shit phrases that only bring a few surfers a day, but only those with no money that just want to freeload the free porn. Those and others that don't speak English. The pacific rim is popular. You'd think I'd be able to tell the difference between Japanese and Chinese by now?

                                                                                          Surprised nobody has brought up the dumb shit-head list?? This is addition to the index and supplemental index. A list of websites to steal PR from, spam the name of for their own use, hack, bomb with scumware and generally abuse.

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                                                                                            • JD
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Sep 2003
                                                                                              • 22651
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              hmm sorry but I agree with baddog on this one man.

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                                                                                                • Agent 488
                                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                                                                  • 22511
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  A thread at WMW starts with a pubcon snippet, that is hardly earth shattering, but is none the less worth recording.

                                                                                                  Matt said that there wasn't a sandbox, but the algorithm might affect some sites, under some circumstances, in a way that a webmaster would perceive as being sandboxed.

                                                                                                  and a further addition in the thread is:-

                                                                                                  I got the impression that it only affects sites in "certain industries," perhaps from some of Matt's subsequent remarks.

                                                                                                  and

                                                                                                  I was at the Q&A and listened to Matt's response. The part that I thought was interesting was that Matt said when they (Google) first started hearing about the "sandbox" as the term is used by webmasters they had to look at their algo to see what was causing it and then look at the sites it was affecting. Once they studied it, they decided they liked what it was doing.

                                                                                                  So what I concluded was:
                                                                                                  1. Yes, there is something that behaves like a "sandbox."
                                                                                                  2. It's part of the algo, but wasn't necessarily created to do what it does. (they didn't set out to build a "sandbox.")
                                                                                                  3. It affects some site and not others.
                                                                                                  4. Google likes what it does.

                                                                                                  http://www.threadwatch.org/node/4714

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                                                                                                    • pussyluver
                                                                                                      Clueless OleMan
                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                      • 11009
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      I didn't rant about the site-maps. Totally ignored. That after I went through the time and trouble to get em cranked out on TGPs. After the effort, Google reduces the number of linked pages included the supplemental. The hey, they add five. From my site-map? NO, from a folder that is nearly hidden, all but password protected that I am trying to phase out to replace with the new files rich in content and newly designed.

                                                                                                      Conclusion, Google doesn't use the site-maps for any useful purpose. Ops, they do check them to make sure that you have used the XML correctly. They can do that in a matter of an hour or two if you submit them and a day if you just update them without the ping.

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                                                                                                        • pussyluver
                                                                                                          Clueless OleMan
                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                          • 11009
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by SPeRMiNaToR
                                                                                                          hmm sorry but I agree with baddog on this one man.
                                                                                                          What could baddog know?? He's as old as I am, prolly has mad cow too.

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                                                                                                            • Jace
                                                                                                              FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                                                              • 35562
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by pussyluver
                                                                                                              I didn't rant about the site-maps. Totally ignored. That after I went through the time and trouble to get em cranked out on TGPs. After the effort, Google reduces the number of linked pages included the supplemental. The hey, they add five. From my site-map? NO, from a folder that is nearly hidden, all but password protected that I am trying to phase out to replace with the new files rich in content and newly designed.

                                                                                                              Conclusion, Google doesn't use the site-maps for any useful purpose. Ops, they do check them to make sure that you have used the XML correctly. They can do that in a matter of an hour or two if you submit them and a day if you just update them without the ping.
                                                                                                              well, is your site map automatically updated with every site update? and then a ping has to be sent to google also

                                                                                                              I do quite well with sitemaps...in fact, I can generally get 50-100 pages indexed and ranked in less than a week using a google sitemap

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                                                                                                                • pussyluver
                                                                                                                  Clueless OleMan
                                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                  • 11009
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by budsbabes
                                                                                                                  So what I concluded was:
                                                                                                                  1. Yes, there is something that behaves like a "sandbox."
                                                                                                                  2. It's part of the algo, but wasn't necessarily created to do what it does. (they didn't set out to build a "sandbox.")
                                                                                                                  3. It affects some site and not others.
                                                                                                                  4. Google likes what it does.

                                                                                                                  http://www.threadwatch.org/node/4714
                                                                                                                  Read Matts blog, sometimes I think he hedges a bit. Note the disclaimer, short has it may be. He doesn't speak for Google. Rest assured that someone there checks what he says. Wonder if he has to get approval on comments pertaining to the algo to post in his blog??

                                                                                                                  For as much affect as google has on the success of business etc. You'd think they would have a more formal and official communication portal with all webmasters.

                                                                                                                  Worth noting that Google doesn't index their own webmaster forum anymore. Not even crawled as far as I know.

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                                                                                                                    • pussyluver
                                                                                                                      Clueless OleMan
                                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                      • 11009
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Jace
                                                                                                                      well, is your site map automatically updated with every site update? and then a ping has to be sent to google also

                                                                                                                      I do quite well with sitemaps...in fact, I can generally get 50-100 pages indexed and ranked in less than a week using a google sitemap

                                                                                                                      Wish I had your luck or expertise. I turned off the auto ping and only resubmit with a major change. I also manually generate a new site map once or twice a week. Google visits often and does note the update version as I can see noted and checked when I enter my google account.

                                                                                                                      There is more detail than I've revealed here and it would take a book. For exaMPLE I would have to expalin other events like multiple 301s, the site has been up since 2002 and so on. I really just needed a place to rant about google. Pissed cause they teased me for a couple days with giving me what I wanted.

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                                                                                                                        • ssp
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                          • 7990
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Google as most search engines has been known to give a small temporary boost to new domains, but this does not mean your domain will remain in the top 10 for a long time.

                                                                                                                          In fact, your site could end up buried in the 40 million other results very soon.

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                                                                                                                            • pussyluver
                                                                                                                              Clueless OleMan
                                                                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                              • 11009
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              All need to remember that google is providing a free service. If you spend $ and time to try improve on what they do for you, you made the choice.

                                                                                                                              If one thinks about it, Google has affected how we all do things. Would we have all the recips at the level they are at if we didn't think that it affected PR and thus SERP. Would Baddog be making money selling hosting with all those class Cs.

                                                                                                                              I think the notion of a site ranked with so much attention to "quaility" backlinks is flawed to begin with. Exception is given to new sites I know...

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                                                                                                                                • Bliggo
                                                                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2006
                                                                                                                                  • 99
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by free4porn
                                                                                                                                  haven't Google even admitted the sandbox effect?!
                                                                                                                                  No. Actually the opposite: http://www.sonicko.com/articles/goog...by-google.html

                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                  This hardly disproves the sandbox effect, it only confirms that you don't understand what it is.


                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by wdsguy
                                                                                                                                  it doesn't last, all my new sites get listed high for a few weeks then get sandboxed.
                                                                                                                                  No they don't: http://www.sonicko.com/articles/goog...by-google.html

                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by SPeRMiNaToR
                                                                                                                                  hmm sorry but I agree with baddog on this one man.


                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by ssp
                                                                                                                                  Google as most search engines has been known to give a small temporary boost to new domains, but this does not mean your domain will remain in the top 10 for a long time.

                                                                                                                                  In fact, your site could end up buried in the 40 million other results very soon.
                                                                                                                                  This is just one example. As I said earlier I have never seen a site drop after getting indexed, nor have results changed drastically, if anything they get better or simply fluctuate within a few results of eachother.

                                                                                                                                  I seo'd my hair yesterday and today it's a pr6

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                                                                                                                                    • Marshal
                                                                                                                                      Biz Dev and SEO
                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2005
                                                                                                                                      • 15219
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      sandbox effect is about new sites covering some old keywords. you would be spidered and crawled very fast, but you can't beat 5+ years old domain on some keyword that has competion for a long time.
                                                                                                                                      ---
                                                                                                                                      Busy ranking websites on Google...

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                                                                                                                                        • the alchemist
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 3271
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                          This hardly disproves the sandbox effect, it only confirms that you don't understand what it is.
                                                                                                                                          What he said.
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                                                                                                                                            • MrChips
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • May 2005
                                                                                                                                              • 1504
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by budsbabes
                                                                                                                                              A thread at WMW starts with a pubcon snippet, that is hardly earth shattering, but is none the less worth recording.

                                                                                                                                              Matt said that there wasn't a sandbox, but the algorithm might affect some sites, under some circumstances, in a way that a webmaster would perceive as being sandboxed.

                                                                                                                                              and a further addition in the thread is:-

                                                                                                                                              I got the impression that it only affects sites in "certain industries," perhaps from some of Matt's subsequent remarks.

                                                                                                                                              and

                                                                                                                                              I was at the Q&A and listened to Matt's response. The part that I thought was interesting was that Matt said when they (Google) first started hearing about the "sandbox" as the term is used by webmasters they had to look at their algo to see what was causing it and then look at the sites it was affecting. Once they studied it, they decided they liked what it was doing.

                                                                                                                                              So what I concluded was:
                                                                                                                                              1. Yes, there is something that behaves like a "sandbox."
                                                                                                                                              2. It's part of the algo, but wasn't necessarily created to do what it does. (they didn't set out to build a "sandbox.")
                                                                                                                                              3. It affects some site and not others.
                                                                                                                                              4. Google likes what it does.

                                                                                                                                              http://www.threadwatch.org/node/4714

                                                                                                                                              You are correct.

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