YARGH! Another Google myth shot down. [Sandbox Effect] - GoFuckYourself.com

Bliggo · 01-18-2007, 12:52 PM

There is no google sandbox for new domains. Anyone that says there is lies.

I don't see how these things get started or how they grow into monsters but I regged a domain (Created: 07-jan-2007)
I did some *very light* Bliggo stuff with it. It was indexed the next day. Within two days it was Result #1 of Results 1 - 10 of about 40,900,000

See sig... carry on. PS YARGH!

RawAlex · 01-18-2007, 12:54 PM

Yes, but the question is what will it be 10 days from now? How deep did the bot go, or did it only really list the index page?

Good luck.

Jace · 01-18-2007, 12:55 PM

there are so many google myths out there, I prefer to just let everyone believe all of them

beemk · 01-18-2007, 12:57 PM

you must not understand how the sandbox works then, your site will get indexed and then down the road it gets sandboxed for quite a long period of time. and sites that are sandboxed are still indexed, just dont hold any good terms usually.

Big_Red · 01-18-2007, 12:57 PM

good call!

DarkJedi · 01-18-2007, 12:58 PM

worst spam evar.

DarkJedi · 01-18-2007, 12:58 PM

P.S.

post link or stfu.

Bliggo · 01-18-2007, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beemk

you must not understand how the sandbox works then, your site will get indexed and then down the road it gets sandboxed for quite a long period of time. and sites that are sandboxed are still indexed, just dont hold any good terms usually.

Really? I've never had a new domain/site get "sandboxed" so doubtful it will happen here.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-18-2007, 01:01 PM

I showed a little example last week to explain a bit more about that..

Theres many factors.. the sandbox as most people know it doesnt exist.

Ill show you a prime example..

The term "wikiality" coined by the tv show the colbert report..

Domain was freshly registered and remains #1 rank for term for several months , has basially been #1 since it was registered give or take a few days

Bliggo · 01-18-2007, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

worst spam evar.

Heya DarkJedi.

marketsmart · 01-18-2007, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bliggo

There is no google sandbox for new domains. Anyone that says there is lies.

I don't see how these things get started or how they grow into monsters but I regged a domain (Created: 07-jan-2007)
I did some *very light* Bliggo stuff with it. It was indexed the next day. Within two days it was Result #1 of Results 1 - 10 of about 40,900,000

See sig... carry on. PS YARGH!

you are a liar... you took a dump in my sandbox and my mom had to clean it out... you are not invited back to my house to play tonka trucks....

Bliggo · 01-18-2007, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

I showed a little example last week to explain a bit more about that..

Theres many factors.. the sandbox as most people know it doesnt exist.

Ill show you a prime example..

The term "wikiality" coined by the tv show the colbert report..

Domain was freshly registered and remains #1 rank for term for several months , has basially been #1 since it was registered give or take a few days

That's uno's site right?

Bliggo · 01-18-2007, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart

you are a liar... you took a dump in my sandbox and my mom had to clean it out... you are not invited back to my house to play tonka trucks....

YARGH! I'll stab ya with me Parrot in CR!

marketsmart · 01-18-2007, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

worst spam evar.

you are the worse poster ever... do you even make any money? in anything you do? or do you just post from your whore mother's basement? and yes, your mom is a whore... i fucked her in the ass with a baseball bat and then sent her out on the street to make me some $$$$$.... after 6 hours, all she came back with was $2.90.... and she said she baged out 50 guys...

do you even know who your father is?

if you want to play in "my sandbox" you better bring it... long and strong....

idiot...

DarkJedi · 01-18-2007, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart

you are the worse poster ever... do you even make any money? in anything you do? or do you just post from your whore mother's basement? and yes, your mom is a whore... i fucked her in the ass with a baseball bat and then sent her out on the street to make me some $$$$$.... after 6 hours, all she came back with was $2.90.... and she said she baged out 50 guys...

do you even know who your father is?

if you want to play in "my sandbox" you better bring it... long and strong....

idiot...

don't hold back, tell us how you really feel

SmokeyTheBear · 01-18-2007, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bliggo

That's uno's site right?

Yup. although there are other factors involved. the term was also not found on google until after the domain was registered so that prob plays a big role in it being #1

free4porn · 01-18-2007, 01:10 PM

haven't Google even admitted the sandbox effect?!

woj · 01-18-2007, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

P.S.

post link or stfu.

exactly

baddog · 01-18-2007, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bliggo

There is no google sandbox for new domains. Anyone that says there is lies.

I don't see how these things get started or how they grow into monsters but I regged a domain (Created: 07-jan-2007)
I did some *very light* Bliggo stuff with it. It was indexed the next day. Within two days it was Result #1 of Results 1 - 10 of about 40,900,000

See sig... carry on. PS YARGH!

This hardly disproves the sandbox effect, it only confirms that you don't understand what it is.

Antonio · 01-18-2007, 01:14 PM

haha, Chio, you can do better than this but here's a bump for ya

wdsguy · 01-18-2007, 01:16 PM

it doesn't last, all my new sites get listed high for a few weeks then get sandboxed.

bdld · 01-18-2007, 02:10 PM

in a few weeks your site will drop down, you'll see.

pussyluver · 01-18-2007, 02:20 PM

The effect is reserved for cash keywords I pursue and only affects my sites. Others can spam hidden links and text, I cant. The same applies to spamming .edu and .gov TLDs. but just for others, Id get caught.

Oh, they'll tease me with the keywords I want, but will let me have them now for only a day or two. Sure I can have the shit phrases that only bring a few surfers a day, but only those with no money that just want to freeload the free porn. Those and others that don't speak English. The pacific rim is popular. You'd think I'd be able to tell the difference between Japanese and Chinese by now?

Surprised nobody has brought up the dumb shit-head list?? This is addition to the index and supplemental index. A list of websites to steal PR from, spam the name of for their own use, hack, bomb with scumware and generally abuse.

JD · 01-18-2007, 02:20 PM

hmm sorry but I agree with baddog on this one man.

Agent 488 · 01-18-2007, 02:30 PM

A thread at WMW starts with a pubcon snippet, that is hardly earth shattering, but is none the less worth recording.

Matt said that there wasn't a sandbox, but the algorithm might affect some sites, under some circumstances, in a way that a webmaster would perceive as being sandboxed.

and a further addition in the thread is:-

I got the impression that it only affects sites in "certain industries," perhaps from some of Matt's subsequent remarks.

and

I was at the Q&A and listened to Matt's response. The part that I thought was interesting was that Matt said when they (Google) first started hearing about the "sandbox" as the term is used by webmasters they had to look at their algo to see what was causing it and then look at the sites it was affecting. Once they studied it, they decided they liked what it was doing.

So what I concluded was:
1. Yes, there is something that behaves like a "sandbox."
2. It's part of the algo, but wasn't necessarily created to do what it does. (they didn't set out to build a "sandbox.")
3. It affects some site and not others.
4. Google likes what it does.

http://www.threadwatch.org/node/4714

pussyluver · 01-18-2007, 02:31 PM

I didn't rant about the site-maps. Totally ignored. That after I went through the time and trouble to get em cranked out on TGPs. After the effort, Google reduces the number of linked pages included the supplemental. The hey, they add five. From my site-map? NO, from a folder that is nearly hidden, all but password protected that I am trying to phase out to replace with the new files rich in content and newly designed.

Conclusion, Google doesn't use the site-maps for any useful purpose. Ops, they do check them to make sure that you have used the XML correctly. They can do that in a matter of an hour or two if you submit them and a day if you just update them without the ping.

pussyluver · 01-18-2007, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

hmm sorry but I agree with baddog on this one man.

What could baddog know?? He's as old as I am, prolly has mad cow too.

Jace · 01-18-2007, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pussyluver

I didn't rant about the site-maps. Totally ignored. That after I went through the time and trouble to get em cranked out on TGPs. After the effort, Google reduces the number of linked pages included the supplemental. The hey, they add five. From my site-map? NO, from a folder that is nearly hidden, all but password protected that I am trying to phase out to replace with the new files rich in content and newly designed.

Conclusion, Google doesn't use the site-maps for any useful purpose. Ops, they do check them to make sure that you have used the XML correctly. They can do that in a matter of an hour or two if you submit them and a day if you just update them without the ping.

well, is your site map automatically updated with every site update? and then a ping has to be sent to google also

I do quite well with sitemaps...in fact, I can generally get 50-100 pages indexed and ranked in less than a week using a google sitemap

pussyluver · 01-18-2007, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budsbabes

So what I concluded was:
1. Yes, there is something that behaves like a "sandbox."
2. It's part of the algo, but wasn't necessarily created to do what it does. (they didn't set out to build a "sandbox.")
3. It affects some site and not others.
4. Google likes what it does.

http://www.threadwatch.org/node/4714

Read Matts blog, sometimes I think he hedges a bit. Note the disclaimer, short has it may be. He doesn't speak for Google. Rest assured that someone there checks what he says. Wonder if he has to get approval on comments pertaining to the algo to post in his blog??

For as much affect as google has on the success of business etc. You'd think they would have a more formal and official communication portal with all webmasters.

Worth noting that Google doesn't index their own webmaster forum anymore. Not even crawled as far as I know.

pussyluver · 01-18-2007, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

well, is your site map automatically updated with every site update? and then a ping has to be sent to google also

I do quite well with sitemaps...in fact, I can generally get 50-100 pages indexed and ranked in less than a week using a google sitemap

Wish I had your luck or expertise. I turned off the auto ping and only resubmit with a major change. I also manually generate a new site map once or twice a week. Google visits often and does note the update version as I can see noted and checked when I enter my google account.

There is more detail than I've revealed here and it would take a book. For exaMPLE I would have to expalin other events like multiple 301s, the site has been up since 2002 and so on. I really just needed a place to rant about google. Pissed cause they teased me for a couple days with giving me what I wanted.

ssp · 01-18-2007, 02:57 PM

Google as most search engines has been known to give a small temporary boost to new domains, but this does not mean your domain will remain in the top 10 for a long time.

In fact, your site could end up buried in the 40 million other results very soon.

pussyluver · 01-18-2007, 03:00 PM

All need to remember that google is providing a free service. If you spend $ and time to try improve on what they do for you, you made the choice.

If one thinks about it, Google has affected how we all do things. Would we have all the recips at the level they are at if we didn't think that it affected PR and thus SERP. Would Baddog be making money selling hosting with all those class Cs.

I think the notion of a site ranked with so much attention to "quaility" backlinks is flawed to begin with. Exception is given to new sites I know...

Bliggo · 01-18-2007, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by free4porn

haven't Google even admitted the sandbox effect?!

No. Actually the opposite: http://www.sonicko.com/articles/goog...by-google.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

This hardly disproves the sandbox effect, it only confirms that you don't understand what it is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdsguy

it doesn't last, all my new sites get listed high for a few weeks then get sandboxed.

No they don't: http://www.sonicko.com/articles/goog...by-google.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

hmm sorry but I agree with baddog on this one man.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssp

Google as most search engines has been known to give a small temporary boost to new domains, but this does not mean your domain will remain in the top 10 for a long time.

In fact, your site could end up buried in the 40 million other results very soon.

This is just one example. As I said earlier I have never seen a site drop after getting indexed, nor have results changed drastically, if anything they get better or simply fluctuate within a few results of eachother.

Marshal · 01-18-2007, 03:29 PM

sandbox effect is about new sites covering some old keywords. you would be spidered and crawled very fast, but you can't beat 5+ years old domain on some keyword that has competion for a long time.

the alchemist · 01-18-2007, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

This hardly disproves the sandbox effect, it only confirms that you don't understand what it is.

What he said.

MrChips · 01-18-2007, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budsbabes

A thread at WMW starts with a pubcon snippet, that is hardly earth shattering, but is none the less worth recording.

Matt said that there wasn't a sandbox, but the algorithm might affect some sites, under some circumstances, in a way that a webmaster would perceive as being sandboxed.

and a further addition in the thread is:-

I got the impression that it only affects sites in "certain industries," perhaps from some of Matt's subsequent remarks.

and

I was at the Q&A and listened to Matt's response. The part that I thought was interesting was that Matt said when they (Google) first started hearing about the "sandbox" as the term is used by webmasters they had to look at their algo to see what was causing it and then look at the sites it was affecting. Once they studied it, they decided they liked what it was doing.

So what I concluded was:
1. Yes, there is something that behaves like a "sandbox."
2. It's part of the algo, but wasn't necessarily created to do what it does. (they didn't set out to build a "sandbox.")
3. It affects some site and not others.
4. Google likes what it does.

http://www.threadwatch.org/node/4714

You are correct.

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01-18-2007, 01:01 PM	#9
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	I showed a little example last week to explain a bit more about that.. Theres many factors.. the sandbox as most people know it doesnt exist. Ill show you a prime example.. The term "wikiality" coined by the tv show the colbert report.. Domain was freshly registered and remains #1 rank for term for several months , has basially been #1 since it was registered give or take a few days __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

01-18-2007, 01:10 PM	#17
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01-18-2007, 03:29 PM	#34
Marshal Biz Dev and SEO Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15,181	sandbox effect is about new sites covering some old keywords. you would be spidered and crawled very fast, but you can't beat 5+ years old domain on some keyword that has competion for a long time. __________________ --- Busy ranking websites on Google...

01-18-2007, 12:52 PM	#1
Bliggo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 99	YARGH! Another Google myth shot down. [Sandbox Effect] There is no google sandbox for new domains. Anyone that says there is lies. I don't see how these things get started or how they grow into monsters but I regged a domain (Created: 07-jan-2007) I did some very light Bliggo stuff with it. It was indexed the next day. Within two days it was Result #1 of Results 1 - 10 of about 40,900,000 See sig... carry on. PS YARGH! __________________ I seo'd my hair yesterday and today it's a pr6

01-18-2007, 12:54 PM	#2
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Yes, but the question is what will it be 10 days from now? How deep did the bot go, or did it only really list the index page? Good luck.

01-18-2007, 12:55 PM	#3
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	there are so many google myths out there, I prefer to just let everyone believe all of them

01-18-2007, 12:58 PM	#6
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	worst spam evar.

01-18-2007, 01:14 PM	#20
Antonio Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Spartaaaaaaaaa Posts: 14,136	haha, Chio, you can do better than this but here's a bump for ya

01-18-2007, 01:16 PM	#21
wdsguy Ryde or Die Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California-Shanghai Posts: 19,568	it doesn't last, all my new sites get listed high for a few weeks then get sandboxed.

01-18-2007, 02:10 PM	#22
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	in a few weeks your site will drop down, you'll see.

01-18-2007, 02:20 PM	#23
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	The effect is reserved for cash keywords I pursue and only affects my sites. Others can spam hidden links and text, I cant. The same applies to spamming .edu and .gov TLDs. but just for others, Id get caught. Oh, they'll tease me with the keywords I want, but will let me have them now for only a day or two. Sure I can have the shit phrases that only bring a few surfers a day, but only those with no money that just want to freeload the free porn. Those and others that don't speak English. The pacific rim is popular. You'd think I'd be able to tell the difference between Japanese and Chinese by now? Surprised nobody has brought up the dumb shit-head list?? This is addition to the index and supplemental index. A list of websites to steal PR from, spam the name of for their own use, hack, bomb with scumware and generally abuse.

01-18-2007, 02:20 PM	#24
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	hmm sorry but I agree with baddog on this one man.

01-18-2007, 02:30 PM	#25
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	A thread at WMW starts with a pubcon snippet, that is hardly earth shattering, but is none the less worth recording. Matt said that there wasn't a sandbox, but the algorithm might affect some sites, under some circumstances, in a way that a webmaster would perceive as being sandboxed. and a further addition in the thread is:- I got the impression that it only affects sites in "certain industries," perhaps from some of Matt's subsequent remarks. and I was at the Q&A and listened to Matt's response. The part that I thought was interesting was that Matt said when they (Google) first started hearing about the "sandbox" as the term is used by webmasters they had to look at their algo to see what was causing it and then look at the sites it was affecting. Once they studied it, they decided they liked what it was doing. So what I concluded was: 1. Yes, there is something that behaves like a "sandbox." 2. It's part of the algo, but wasn't necessarily created to do what it does. (they didn't set out to build a "sandbox.") 3. It affects some site and not others. 4. Google likes what it does. http://www.threadwatch.org/node/4714

01-18-2007, 02:31 PM	#26
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	I didn't rant about the site-maps. Totally ignored. That after I went through the time and trouble to get em cranked out on TGPs. After the effort, Google reduces the number of linked pages included the supplemental. The hey, they add five. From my site-map? NO, from a folder that is nearly hidden, all but password protected that I am trying to phase out to replace with the new files rich in content and newly designed. Conclusion, Google doesn't use the site-maps for any useful purpose. Ops, they do check them to make sure that you have used the XML correctly. They can do that in a matter of an hour or two if you submit them and a day if you just update them without the ping.

01-18-2007, 02:57 PM	#31
ssp Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,990	Google as most search engines has been known to give a small temporary boost to new domains, but this does not mean your domain will remain in the top 10 for a long time. In fact, your site could end up buried in the 40 million other results very soon.

01-18-2007, 03:00 PM	#32
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	All need to remember that google is providing a free service. If you spend $ and time to try improve on what they do for you, you made the choice. If one thinks about it, Google has affected how we all do things. Would we have all the recips at the level they are at if we didn't think that it affected PR and thus SERP. Would Baddog be making money selling hosting with all those class Cs. I think the notion of a site ranked with so much attention to "quaility" backlinks is flawed to begin with. Exception is given to new sites I know...