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mikeyddddd · 01-10-2007, 01:24 PM

fiddy paid surfers

Brad · 01-10-2007, 01:44 PM

Seems like a smart kid...but this is definitly fraud. If you get too many people doing this scam, we will all have to change the way we do business and in the end everyone looses out.

It doesn't matter if he is telling people to cancle or not. Everyone who is signing up for this program knows that they aren't going to make any money if they don't cancle before the trial runs out.

SteveLightspeed · 01-10-2007, 01:47 PM

This kind of stuff is exactly why we require references before we approve affiliates for PPS. He did try to sign up for Lightspeedcash, and our fraud control procedures kept his account from even being activated.

John Marco · 01-10-2007, 02:20 PM

Thanks for reporting this. We have cancelled the account.

Dollarmansteve · 01-10-2007, 02:45 PM

Man, this goes to show how little people here know about the 'mainstream' world - I dont mean the 'offline' mainstream world, but the online one.

Incentivization is the cornerstone of many mainstream networks. It's not really 'fraud' - you'd have to show that the affiliate was actively trying to defraud the sponsor (in mainstream they have things called 'conga lines', and there are other situations that are blatant fraud). This is just low-value traffic.

The assumption that 100% of the people will sign-up for the trial and cancel is false. It also does not take into account that there are other revenues generated from a trial join. An incentivied join like this might be worth $10-$20. This type of traffic will alert any decent sponsor program's fraud department, it is then up to the sponsor whether they shut down the account or work with the affiliate to find a reasonable value for the joins.

The reaction of most people here borders on paranoia. Fraud management is a big part of our business - and the ability to differentiate between actual illegal fraud and just plain shitty traffic is important.

Im not defending this particular dude - All Im saying is that ignorance breeds fear and the belief that traffic like this has a zero value is not correct.

What is funny is that Review Site joins are somewhat incentivized (sometimes with discounted monthly charges, or the non-monetary value of the review itself) - and the proof is that a join from a review site is worth less than a join from another stream of traffic (in my personal experience with comparing lots of data). I dont see everyone running around calling out review sites for being 'fraud'.

MattO · 01-11-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

Im not defending this particular dude - All Im saying is that ignorance breeds fear and the belief that traffic like this has a zero value is not correct.

I find the most problem with how he's telling his surfers to cancel quickly so as to avoid being charged full prices.

If he were to set up an up-front relationship with a sponsor and tell them his intentions then he wouldn't be getting shit from all of us.

Plus just take a look at this kid:

Hentaikid · 01-11-2007, 01:16 PM

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BAN 01/10/07 10:22pm eZo Sorry, we won't help you commit fraud.

He's been banned from the something awful forums (That place costs 10$ to join, fyi)

Mr. Marks · 01-12-2007, 10:52 PM

That's extremely stupid. The most NOOB affiliate fraud checker should be able to see through that without resorting to fancy fraud detector software. I filter fraudsters from my PPC and PPA programs with one hand tied behind my back. Lame ass amateurs. If you want whiz bang fraud shit look into that fucked up new trend of clickback 'cloning'..... now that's fucked up and worthy of executing mofos over. >

01-10-2007, 01:24 PM	#51
mikeyddddd Viva la vulva! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself Posts: 16,557	fiddy paid surfers __________________ AdultStarProfits AmbyaCash AnilosCash AzianiGold ColdHardCash FlashTheMoney IdolBucks MediumPimpin NSCash Nubiles PussyCash ScoreCash Sextronix SpunkyCash TubeTitans Twistys

01-10-2007, 01:44 PM	#52
Brad Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,510	Seems like a smart kid...but this is definitly fraud. If you get too many people doing this scam, we will all have to change the way we do business and in the end everyone looses out. It doesn't matter if he is telling people to cancle or not. Everyone who is signing up for this program knows that they aren't going to make any money if they don't cancle before the trial runs out. __________________ Affiliate Manager/Media Buyer ICQ 376 978 529 Skype: bradleyjwscott [email protected]

01-10-2007, 01:47 PM	#53
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	This kind of stuff is exactly why we require references before we approve affiliates for PPS. He did try to sign up for Lightspeedcash, and our fraud control procedures kept his account from even being activated. __________________ Abra-cadabra!

01-10-2007, 02:20 PM	#54
John Marco Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 912	Thanks for reporting this. We have cancelled the account. __________________ WEBCAMS.COM $42+ PPS or revshare ICQ: 476-111 Google Talk: Webcams.com

01-10-2007, 02:45 PM	#55
Dollarmansteve Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: T.O. Posts: 2,849	Man, this goes to show how little people here know about the 'mainstream' world - I dont mean the 'offline' mainstream world, but the online one. Incentivization is the cornerstone of many mainstream networks. It's not really 'fraud' - you'd have to show that the affiliate was actively trying to defraud the sponsor (in mainstream they have things called 'conga lines', and there are other situations that are blatant fraud). This is just low-value traffic. The assumption that 100% of the people will sign-up for the trial and cancel is false. It also does not take into account that there are other revenues generated from a trial join. An incentivied join like this might be worth $10-$20. This type of traffic will alert any decent sponsor program's fraud department, it is then up to the sponsor whether they shut down the account or work with the affiliate to find a reasonable value for the joins. The reaction of most people here borders on paranoia. Fraud management is a big part of our business - and the ability to differentiate between actual illegal fraud and just plain shitty traffic is important. Im not defending this particular dude - All Im saying is that ignorance breeds fear and the belief that traffic like this has a zero value is not correct. What is funny is that Review Site joins are somewhat incentivized (sometimes with discounted monthly charges, or the non-monetary value of the review itself) - and the proof is that a join from a review site is worth less than a join from another stream of traffic (in my personal experience with comparing lots of data). I dont see everyone running around calling out review sites for being 'fraud'. __________________ I died.

01-12-2007, 10:52 PM	#58
Mr. Marks Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Wherever I want Posts: 7,517	That's extremely stupid. The most NOOB affiliate fraud checker should be able to see through that without resorting to fancy fraud detector software. I filter fraudsters from my PPC and PPA programs with one hand tied behind my back. Lame ass amateurs. If you want whiz bang fraud shit look into that fucked up new trend of clickback 'cloning'..... now that's fucked up and worthy of executing mofos over. >