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Manowar 01-08-2007 06:10 AM
Yet ANOTHER bump

One of the most important topics of the year

polish_aristocrat 01-08-2007 06:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manowar (Post 11684811)
Yet ANOTHER bump

One of the most important topics of the year
yeah of past year for sure.....

but unfortunately apparently of this year again too :(

Manowar 01-08-2007 06:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by starpimps (Post 11675101)
frankly i dont care for the.xxx domains
ill stick with my dot com's
Then protect your adult .com domains by commenting on .xxxs and how bad they are

polish_aristocrat 01-08-2007 06:20 AM
Ok, few more thoughts.....

one of the letters sent to ICANN already mentions it, but nothing wrong in repeating.

So IMO the affiliate programs who opposed .xxx - some of them are listed at http://www.fightthedotxxx.com/ - f.e LightSpeed Cash, Payserve etc ( and many many more ) - they should just notify their affiliates in a newsletter about this subject and instruct them how to protest.

If enough companies did it, it would significantly increase the number of webmasters who will protest. Especially since many webmasters don't read boards at all...

F U S I O N 01-08-2007 06:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 11684840)
Ok, few more thoughts.....

one of the letters sent to ICANN already mentions it, but nothing wrong in repeating.

So IMO the affiliate programs who opposed .xxx - some of them are listed at http://www.fightthedotxxx.com/ - f.e LightSpeed Cash, Payserve etc ( and many many more ) - they should just notify their affiliates in a newsletter about this subject and instruct them how to protest.

If enough companies did it, it would significantly increase the number of webmasters who will protest. Especially since many webmasters don't read boards at all...


excellent idea!

polish_aristocrat 01-08-2007 06:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by F U S I O N (Post 11684853)
excellent idea!
Assuming most affiliate programs oppose .xxx, this should be good for a few thousand emails.

Actually some surfers could be involved as well.

But Im afraid the programs will be too lazy to email their webmasters, mainly they won't know exactly what to say.

IMO they should first mention what this issue is all about, then explain the risks .xxx brings to us, then explain how to post comments on ICANN and perhaps offer a few different templates to chose from.

ah well, I can only propose such ideas here, someone else has to do it or to convince the program owners to do it

polish_aristocrat 01-08-2007 07:05 AM
at the current rate only about 15 emails per day are posted to ICANN, and some of them are even in favor of .xxx

some aren't even from webmasters, and some ocassional ones - like this one, are even in favor of .xxx


Quote:
Hi,
As a member of the responsible Adult community I support the creation of
the .xxx TLD. I personally believe that there is only upside to this new
domain space.
Reagan Zimmer

Zimmer Productions
this has to be the first guy though who claims to be an adult webmaster and wants .xxx


http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00029.html

TheLegacy 01-08-2007 07:13 AM
thank you for keeping us updated to this once again. I am still baffled by some comments and amazed that still some are thinking xxx is a good idea.

Manowar 01-08-2007 07:42 AM
Added an article to bv expressing the main points of this thread and referencing some of the opinions.

http://www.businessvoyeur.com/2007-01-08/xxx-resurfaces


you can also digg it/add comments to the digg page to bring more attention to the cause
http://digg.com/tech_news/XXX_TLD_Revived

Zester 01-08-2007 08:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 11684840)
Ok, few more thoughts.....

one of the letters sent to ICANN already mentions it, but nothing wrong in repeating.

So IMO the affiliate programs who opposed .xxx - some of them are listed at http://www.fightthedotxxx.com/ - f.e LightSpeed Cash, Payserve etc ( and many many more ) - they should just notify their affiliates in a newsletter about this subject and instruct them how to protest.

If enough companies did it, it would significantly increase the number of webmasters who will protest. Especially since many webmasters don't read boards at all...

good idea. this HAS to be done.

FightThisPatent 01-08-2007 08:10 AM
i am with ya polish aristocrat.. program owners could email their affiliate to point to this thread, to http://www.FightTheDotXXX.com and get more people to post up.. the postings have been excellent on the most part.. alot of good thought going into them, instead of just .xxx sucks

but, there needs to be alot more... and even though it might be futile in the end, that ICANN is going to pass .XXX anyways, it matters to be counted as to what you believe (even if you think that .xxx is good).

So yes, affiliates, let your sponsors know how you feel about .xxx, and about how more affiliates need to get involved.. it is really the affiliates that lose with .XXX

think about it monetarily.. $60/domain per year.

People that have the most number of domains are usually affiliates.

Affiliates are the ones that are going to be taxed the most.. program owners have fewer domains, make good bank, they could afford the additional tax.

So there really needs to be more of showing from affiliates.

The companies listed on FightTheDotXXX.com are mainly programs, and everyone one of them can afford the .XXX tax, but they have made a public stand.

For all the free this, free that, that affiliates push from Sponsors, this is the time that you don't get a free ride. You need to get active.


Fight the call to arms!

F U S I O N 01-08-2007 08:15 AM
Is it possible to get a thread stuck at the top where everyone, program owners included, can see this?

mikeyddddd 01-08-2007 12:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 11685096)
at the current rate only about 15 emails per day are posted to ICANN, and some of them are even in favor of .xxx

some aren't even from webmasters, and some ocassional ones - like this one, are even in favor of .xxx




this has to be the first guy though who claims to be an adult webmaster and wants .xxx


http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00029.html
He's a TV camera operator and is not in adult (unless he shoots Human Toilet Bowls for Incredible Dollars).

He has U.S. Sewer & Drain Productions on his resume.

Yanks_Todd 01-08-2007 12:20 PM
Email sent

FightThisPatent 01-08-2007 02:31 PM
ake stand on this issue. affiliates should be posting up.


Fight the bump!

Xplicit 01-08-2007 02:47 PM
I agree, program owners should be sending an email out to all their affiliates.

Manowar 01-08-2007 05:48 PM
still can't believe this isn't stickied at least

davecummings 01-08-2007 06:31 PM
Bump for a truly important issue--we need to rally BIG-TIME against .xxx.

:-((((

Dave

tony286 01-08-2007 06:33 PM
is playboy going to send a statement ?

F U S I O N 01-08-2007 07:00 PM
to the top!!

polish_aristocrat 01-08-2007 08:01 PM
how about we discuss the Israel-Iran conflict in this thread to get more views?

d00t 01-08-2007 08:25 PM
oh fuck not again

why can't this shit just fuckoff and die

FightThisPatent 01-09-2007 08:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 11690666)
how about we discuss the Israel-Iran conflict in this thread to get more views?

LOL.

or we can just talk about what happens next once .XXX gets approved, and how the following will react:

1) those that supported .XXX in thinking they are going to get preferrential treatment on domains (conspiracy theory)

2) those that supported .XXX for its "voluntary" status, and .XXX bills in congress put on fast forward (future thinking theory).

3) how many lawsuits will come about due to those who put in .XXX trademarks.

4) amount of controversy will come out when domain owners of the same base (ie. domain_name) with different extensions (ie. .com, .net, .co.uk, .de, .jp, etc) all put a claim on the .xxx equivalent

5) lobbying effort to congress that since .XXX will clearly protect children, that there should not be any such thing as obscenity law prosecutions because .XXX would be the equivalent of sitting behind closed doors. (some states that have sodomy laws like Texas used to, where you can't even do stuff inside your own home.. would probably still have a claim to obscenity prosecutions)... and thefore allow for a 'legit' red-light district in U.S. cyberspace (this idea freaks out conservative/religious/right).

6) since ICANN is taking an active role in .XXX, will they make a content terms of service that adult content must go to .XXX, which their power to do so, goes beyond U.S. borders and without any law needing to be passed (conspiracy theory).



Fight the bump!

polish_aristocrat 01-09-2007 10:17 AM
:thumbsup

s9ann0 01-09-2007 11:49 AM
I tried to read theregister.co.uk article on .xxx in my gym and the blocking software censored it!

Xplicit 01-09-2007 01:52 PM
*bumping for a good cause!

polish_aristocrat 01-09-2007 04:05 PM
Looks like the emails are coming in... BUT they don't seem to be from webmasters...

Good thing that 80% of them are anti-xxx though...

F U S I O N 01-09-2007 04:42 PM
bumpage....

polish_aristocrat 01-09-2007 05:33 PM
Adult Webmaster SUPPORTS .xxx
 
http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00117.html

Quote:
Why is it that anytime someone tries something new the naysayer's jump in and say it won't work? How do they know, until it's been tried, if it will fail or succeed? I love all of these "instant experts". From my experience, as an Adult Webmaster, few things work exactly as you originally thought, but that's not a reason to quit before you start. Sure, .xxx will probably take some time to be effective. For me, I'm just excited to be able to by some really cool branded domains.


PLEASE VOTE YES for .XXX


Claud Davidson
what an idiot... oh and good luck with buying all these prime .xxx domains :1orglaugh

Luscious Media 01-09-2007 05:43 PM
xxx vs kid
 
I read most of the replies here but didn't see one idea I thought was a little better than a 'xxx' domain. What about a 'kid' domain instead? (if someone posted this earlier...sorry)

I emailed ICANN and put that in there. I dunno...I'm no expert but...if ya wanna protect the crumb snatchers...put em in the playpen. :2 cents:

NemesiS876 01-10-2007 09:59 AM
Just another bump here :)

FightThisPatent 01-10-2007 10:07 AM
alot of pro .xxx posters at:
http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm-agreement

The common theme to their post, is that .XXX would be useful to block the porn sites, whether visually, in seeing .XXX, or filtering software.

I personally, think being able to block porn sites if the adult or child doesn't want to see it. Including at offices, where the company tries to block porn.

I know many paysites who have customers who view from work, and having corporate blockage would hurt some what in revenue, but those businesses do have a right to block.

So the flipside to this whole story, is that .XXX is voluntary.

So anyone who gets a .XXX domain is "voluntarily" allowing themselves to be blocked.

I fully support ASACP's RTA voluntary labelling at http://www.rtalabel.com

and yes, this too can be used to filter, as it was designed to do.

So while I think mechanics of .XXX is a bad idea, those that rush to register your .xxx domains are clearly in support of being blocked and filtered.

Many will come to the conclusion to just not use the .XXX domain and keep their .coms

This is the equivalent to collecting stamps, and you'll be stuck paying your yearly porn tax for those domains.

.XXX is damned if you do and damned if you don't, and like with lawsuits where the attorneys are the ones that win out, ICM will be the one that wins out in the end.

So for those that supported this effort in the beginning, hope you can understand what you have created.


Fight the pandora's box!

Far-L 01-10-2007 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLegacy (Post 11685132)
thank you for keeping us updated to this once again. I am still baffled by some comments and amazed that still some are thinking xxx is a good idea.

Follow the money... anyone that feels like they have something to gain from it by sucking up to the companies that are secretly supporting it will do so.

Elixir 01-10-2007 01:16 PM
ok just helpfull BUMP form me :) !

F U S I O N 01-10-2007 01:25 PM
I'll see your bump and raise it another. :)

polish_aristocrat 01-10-2007 04:13 PM
Nice article / blog entry on .xxx

The Arguments For and Against the .XXX Domain, Summarized

http://www.thewhir.com/blogs/Liam-Ea...ain-Summarized

Quote:
We reported this week that ICANN had taken a second look at a revised proposal for the .xxx domain, submitted by the ICM registry. The domain was struck down in May of 2006 by ICANN, in a 9-5 vote that reversed an earlier endorsement by the governing body.
The ICM Registry's new proposal includes additions to the ICM Registry's efforts to protect children, ensure registrants label content clearly, prohibit spam, prevent certain religious or culturally sensitive names from being registered and donate money to child safety organizations.

The .xxx domain has been in the works for years. And in case you're just getting caught up, we happen to have paying attention from the start (In 2005, for instance, we published an interview with the VP of the ICM Registry, Jason Hendeles).

I thought perhaps I'd take a shot at summarizing the arguments for, and against, the .xxx domain - a project that has been particularly polarizing.


PRO

The arguments in favor of the .xxx domain generally have to do with its regulatory potential, or the fundamental value of compartmentalizing the Internet along the lines of the .travel or .museum domains.


Obviously, the domain would be a very effective classification for potentially offensive material. Hypothetically, adult material located on the .xxx domain would be much easier to: a) block, if you were a parent or a business owner; b) find, if that were what you were looking for; and c) avoid accidentally stumbling upon while innocently searching for something like "shirtless cowboys."

The specialized domain would, hypothetically again, enable easier regulation over the Internet's adult content, with sites hosted on .xxx domains held to certain professional standards, along the lines of the .mobi or .pro domains. Adult publishers would presumably be legitimized by virtue of their willingness to participate and submit to further regulation.

CON

Interestingly, opposition to the .xxx domain comes from people involved in the pornography business and from conservative Christian groups - two factions more typically found on opposing sides of a given argument.


The creation of an xxx domain would seem to imply a specialized area online for adult content. Of course, profitable, professionally-run adult businesses currently operating on .com domain in perfect compliance with every applicable law would not want (and, presumably, would not be expected) to give up their .com properties and move to the .xxx domain.

Despite the fact that the domain was not necessarily created to contain online pornography, adult publishers fear (and probably rightly so) that the creation of .xxx would inevitably lead to conservative legislators at least trying to legally limit adult content to that domain.

Whatever regulation the .xxx domain registry set out to impose would run into difficulty in accommodating standards of decency, ages of consent and other local variations from around the world. The other danger here is that the knee-jerk "solution" to that problem might be to impose American standards of decency on material hosted in other countries (not to mention the conflict inherent in anything that implies an American control over Internet oversight - a little ironic, considering that the US government's influence is the main reason the .xxx proposal was rejected).

The creation of the .xxx domain, the regulation it would impose, and the separation it would attempt to create would invite many difficult-to-answer questions about what kind of content can be described as "sexually explicit."

For existing adult publishers, of which there is certainly no shortage, the .xxx domain would seem to be short on tangible benefits and long on hassles. In a sense, it's just another domain to register, another property to manage, another channel in which to defend copyrights and another opportunity for cyber squatters.

The folks who object to adult material in general on ethical grounds object to the creation of a domain specifically for adult content because it lends that material a legitimacy they don't believe it should possess.

While the anti-pornography argument made up only a small slice of the overall theoretical objection to the .xxx domain, it was the overwhelming cause for the original rejection of the domain's proposal. Conservative groups like the American Family Association exerted pressure on the US government, which in turn exerted its influence over ICANN.

I'm skeptical whether the re-submitted proposal will have ultimately result in a .xxx domain. After all, the movement that saw the domain rejected in may was driven by an opposition to pornography in general, not by a rejection of the ICM Registry's specific plan for the domain's operation.

I'm also skeptical as to the value of a .xxx domain, as I generally am with sponsored top-level domains. I've never visited a Web address with a .aero extension, for instance. In fact, I couldn't name a single .aero site. But I suppose maybe the airplane business types don't want me nosing around their Web sites anyway.

The people building .xxx Web sites, though, they do want new visitors on their Web sites. It's their bread and butter. Frankly, I just don't see the domain's value.

(As with previous declarations of skepticisim, I'd like to invite anybody who feels they could offer up another pro or con to leave a comment.)

FightThisPatent 01-10-2007 04:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 11705653)
Nice article / blog entry on .xxx

The Arguments For and Against the .XXX Domain, Summarized

http://www.thewhir.com/blogs/Liam-Ea...ain-Summarized

there was certainly a long CON explanation than PRO... LOL


Fight the scale!

F U S I O N 01-10-2007 05:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 11705653)
Nice article / blog entry on .xxx

The Arguments For and Against the .XXX Domain, Summarized

http://www.thewhir.com/blogs/Liam-Ea...ain-Summarized

Excellent post! :thumbsup

F U S I O N 01-11-2007 06:25 AM
Thursday morning bump!

...and let me just say I still have not seen one sponsor email sent out related to this. :(

F U S I O N 01-11-2007 11:32 AM
and another.....

FightThisPatent 01-11-2007 04:48 PM
Fight the and another another!

polish_aristocrat 01-11-2007 09:03 PM
bump


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F U S I O N 01-12-2007 02:13 AM
and another...

woj 01-12-2007 01:12 PM
buuuump... :thumbsup

RastaSkull 01-12-2007 01:15 PM
bump in this thread

loreen 01-12-2007 01:19 PM
bump for polish_aristocrat :)

polish_aristocrat 01-12-2007 01:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by loreen (Post 11719966)
bump for polish_aristocrat :)
I feel honoured.... :upsidedow

polish_aristocrat 01-12-2007 01:44 PM
anyway, this thread was started 6 days ago and so far the response is... disappointing....


maybe it will change after Internext ?

F U S I O N 01-12-2007 05:06 PM
bump for some responses.....

polish_aristocrat 01-12-2007 06:18 PM
Wtf?
 
from http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news...le.php/3653756

Quote:
January 12, 2007
Another Triple-X Shot For ICANN
By Sean Michael Kerner


The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) is considering a proposal for a .xxx top level domain (TLD). It's a situation that has been on again off again for more than six years.

A revised agreement for the administration of the .xxx registry by vendor ICM Registry is now available for a public comment period that is open until Feb. 5. The revised agreement follows a May 2006 agreement that was voted down nine to five by the ICANN board.

The new agreement, which spans some 94 pages, includes additional terms that are intended to help prevent spam and ensure that content is clearly labeled, as well as make sure certain religious or culturally sensitive names are not registered.

The revised agreement also specifies that ICM Registry will, "provide financial support for child safety organizations and to sponsor development of technology to enhance the ability of Internet users to control their online experience."

So far the reaction to the new agreement has been mixed.

The public comment forum includes both those that approve and disapprove in almost equal numbers. It's hardly a surprise considering that disagreement and controversy have surrounded the .xxx domain for years.

The first attempt at the .xxx registry was rejected in November 2000. In June 2005, ICANN announced it had begun negotiating with the ICM Registry for the creation of the .xxx sponsored top-level domain (sTLD).

In September 2005 the U.S. Department of Commercestepped in and helped to delay the decision on .xxx until May 2006 when it was voted down.


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