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Grapesoda · 01-04-2007, 05:36 PM

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notabook · 01-04-2007, 05:43 PM

In that particular case I'd say they were in their rights to do it. She has severe brain damage and has no 'future' to look forward to. The parents, realizing they would take care of her likely for the rest of her and/or their lives, decided to make things more manageable for all parties involved.

Sly · 01-04-2007, 05:51 PM

Heh. All I can say is I'm glad they weren't my parents.

Spunky · 01-04-2007, 05:51 PM

Geez..going to the extreme or what..poor kid

Grapesoda · 01-04-2007, 06:40 PM

it's an interesting concept for sure

Pleasurepays · 01-04-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by notabook

In that particular case I'd say they were in their rights to do it. She has severe brain damage and has no 'future' to look forward to. The parents, realizing they would take care of her likely for the rest of her and/or their lives, decided to make things more manageable for all parties involved.

with that reasoning, why couldn't a parent could just amputate the limbs and surgically implant a handle on the childs back

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 01-04-2007, 08:24 PM

it sounds to me like they're doing their best to ease the situation they're in and keep their daughter alive. would you want to take care of a full grown vegetable for the rest of your life? its easier to take care of a child i'd think. not a single one of us has any place to question their intentions either way. i couldn't imagine going through a pregnancy, and winding up with a severely handicapped child like that. i don't know what the fuck i would do.

RawAlex · 01-04-2007, 08:38 PM

This is one of those "good intentions" but bad execution. Much of it seems to come from a desire by the parents to not have to deal with issues such as the girl getting larger, or (gasp) growing boobs or having a monthly cycle. All of their points are well taken, but in theory all women could avoid most causes of breast and ovarian cancer if they just all had their breasts and ovaries removed early in life before they would miss them.

I am more wondering about the doctors that performed the operations... it seems like very unneeded surgical interventions to me.

wyldblyss · 01-04-2007, 08:57 PM

It is a really tough call. Until you have taken care of someone who has little to no brain function 24/7 I don't think any of us can judge...it is not like they cut off her arms and legs. My 30 year old SIN had breast cancer...it was HER choice to have her other breast removed as a precaution. Just recently, she went in and had her ovaries and uterus removed...for no other reason than her not wanting to go thru cancer/chemo again. A family, that has a very large incidence of stomach cancer in their family...they ALL (about 12-15 of them) had their stomachs removed as a precaution. People do this all of the time.

There is a huge difference between turning/lifting/washing a 60 lb person and a 120 lb person. The girl is in diapers...bad enough cleaning up pee and poop, adding blood from her periods in the mix is not necessary. Her periods and the ability to have children are of no purpose to her.

I know it sounds cruel...and if I had a child in that situation, not sure I would do it....but in all honesty...as much as I HATE myself for saying this...I just don't know if I would have the patience and the absolute devotion to care for a severely disabled child 24/7 until the day she died. You basically give up your entire life.....and then you worry about what will happen after you are gone and there is no one left to care for her.

RawAlex · 01-04-2007, 09:13 PM

wyldblyss, so how much further is it before we go back to the Spartan theory and take her up on a mountain side and leave her to die?

Just wondering.

Sly · 01-04-2007, 09:15 PM

I'm curious.

For those of you who are thinking its "ok" or "the best situation"... is it because the child is gone mentally, physically, or both?

notabook · 01-04-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

with that reasoning, why couldn't a parent could just amputate the limbs and surgically implant a handle on the childs back

Hardly, but you know that isn't that bad of an idea for those with severe brain damage. I wonder if it would be considered carry-on luggage... hmmm. Imagine the money you would save on airline tickets if so!

$5 submissions · 01-04-2007, 09:30 PM

That story makes me queasy. Precisely because there's no right or wrong answer. Is it genuine compassion or a reflection of our addiction to convenience?

split_joel · 01-04-2007, 10:38 PM

Whos to say 20 years from now we dont come with some break through that will turn this girl into a normal everyday working member of society? I do not think this is right at all.

Pleasurepays · 01-04-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by notabook

Hardly, but you know that isn't that bad of an idea for those with severe brain damage. I wonder if it would be considered carry-on luggage... hmmm. Imagine the money you would save on airline tickets if so!

sure. just tell the doctor - i want to try to whittle her down to 14" to 16" high, 21" to 24" wide, and 8" to 9" deep.. and no more than 40 pounds.

Sly · 01-04-2007, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by notabook

Hardly, but you know that isn't that bad of an idea for those with severe brain damage. I wonder if it would be considered carry-on luggage... hmmm. Imagine the money you would save on airline tickets if so!

Why not just kill them?

Pleasurepays · 01-04-2007, 11:19 PM

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Why not just kill them?

thats illegal... but apparently, modifying their bodies for the improved convienence of those around them, is totally ok.

don't hate the player, hate the game!

;)

Sly · 01-04-2007, 11:28 PM

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thats illegal... but apparently, modifying their bodies for the improved convienence of those around them, is totally ok.

don't hate the player, hate the game!

;)

I'm totally serious.

If stunting their growth is a good idea because they're a "burden" and "don't understand life anyway", what's the point in even keeping them alive? Humor? Sympathy? Pity?

Let's just start testing babies the minute they pop out. If they have severe mental or physical problems that would make the parents life difficult, offer the option of a post-birth "abortion".

Pleasurepays · 01-05-2007, 12:16 AM

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I'm totally serious.

If stunting their growth is a good idea because they're a "burden" and "don't understand life anyway", what's the point in even keeping them alive? Humor? Sympathy? Pity?

Let's just start testing babies the minute they pop out. If they have severe mental or physical problems that would make the parents life difficult, offer the option of a post-birth "abortion".

i think one cornerstone of what people consider to be a "civilized society" is the high value placed on human life and personal rights. the law for the most part reflects this.

but the issue is interesting because it definately opens up a lot of questions and arguments that lead down a very dark path. your argument is interesting as well and just as valid imho (of course there are legal issues with whacking out a kid for reasons of convienence).

Grapesoda · 01-05-2007, 07:52 AM

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wyldblyss, so how much further is it before we go back to the Spartan theory and take her up on a mountain side and leave her to die?

Just wondering.

easy to hypothesize and make accusations . . try taking care of a braid dead invalid 24/7 then get back to us . . be interesting to see your thoughts then . .

Grapesoda · 01-05-2007, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

That story makes me queasy. Precisely because there's no right or wrong answer. Is it genuine compassion or a reflection of our addiction to convenience?

when I was working the news I saw a story about a 12 year old girl that had her arms and legs cut off for some thing or other . . some medical problem

Grapesoda · 01-05-2007, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Why not just kill them?

that's a thought too . .

Grapesoda · 01-05-2007, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i think one cornerstone of what people consider to be a "civilized society" is the high value placed on human life and personal rights. the law for the most part reflects this.

but the issue is interesting because it definately opens up a lot of questions and arguments that lead down a very dark path. your argument is interesting as well and just as valid imho (of course there are legal issues with whacking out a kid for reasons of convienence).

'value placed on human life and personal rights'

this is the one that kills me . . . a guy can kill you and yer whole family and have more right than you ever had . . and what give peeps the right to have as many kids as they want and make me pay for them at the expense of my children?

Narfle · 01-05-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

If stunting their growth is a good idea because they're a "burden" and "don't understand life anyway", what's the point in even keeping them alive? Humor? Sympathy? Pity?

Love?

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Originally Posted by Sly

Let's just start testing babies the minute they pop out. If they have severe mental or physical problems that would make the parents life difficult, offer the option of a post-birth "abortion".

Or how about we remembered the theory of evolution and started allowing the human species to evolve again...

Would rid this board of a lot of people y'know...

Rochard · 01-05-2007, 10:34 AM

I read this on line late last night; It was the last thing I did before I went to bed so I gave it some thought as I was trying to fall asleep. This child has no hope of a future life; The life she has now is as good as it is ever going to get. She'll never function as a normal adult or even as a child for that matter.

What the family did was take steps to ensure that they will be able to give her the best care possible for the rest of their lifes.

Pleasurepays · 01-05-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Wanton

'value placed on human life and personal rights'

this is the one that kills me . . . a guy can kill you and yer whole family and have more right than you ever had . . and what give peeps the right to have as many kids as they want and make me pay for them at the expense of my children?

an interesting paradox of personal freedoms (or the notions and perceptions of what they are and should be) is that when exercising them, the individual often infringes on those of others.

Agent 488 · 01-05-2007, 12:41 PM

i think its pretty cool.

Grapesoda · 01-05-2007, 06:25 PM

interesting read . . thanks guys . . .

Sly · 01-05-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I read this on line late last night; It was the last thing I did before I went to bed so I gave it some thought as I was trying to fall asleep. This child has no hope of a future life; The life she has now is as good as it is ever going to get. She'll never function as a normal adult or even as a child for that matter.

Euthanize!

notabook · 01-05-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I read this on line late last night; It was the last thing I did before I went to bed so I gave it some thought as I was trying to fall asleep. This child has no hope of a future life; The life she has now is as good as it is ever going to get. She'll never function as a normal adult or even as a child for that matter.

What the family did was take steps to ensure that they will be able to give her the best care possible for the rest of their lifes.

And, as unlikely as it is, say there is a cure in the future or just say the ability to repair the brain damage... at least she'll be alive and able to accept the cure (those arguing for euthanasia). In this case at least they made it so that they will be able to care for their daughter themselves rather than be forced to give her up to horrible conditions of state care.

Sly · 01-05-2007, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by notabook

In this case at least they made it so that they will be able to care for their daughter themselves rather than be forced to give her up to horrible conditions of state care.

The horrible conditions of state care?

The point has already been made that this individual has absolutely no idea they are alive. They are a vegetable. They don't know if they are being thrown against the wall or being fed prime rib.

How would they know or care about these horrible conditions of state care?

notabook · 01-06-2007, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

How would they know or care about these horrible conditions of state care?

They wouldn't.

01-04-2007, 05:36 PM	#1
Grapesoda So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 46,238	yer thoughts on this: stunting the growth of the disabled check this read out

01-04-2007, 05:43 PM	#2
notabook Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Not a Library! Posts: 9,748	In that particular case I'd say they were in their rights to do it. She has severe brain damage and has no 'future' to look forward to. The parents, realizing they would take care of her likely for the rest of her and/or their lives, decided to make things more manageable for all parties involved. __________________

01-04-2007, 05:51 PM	#3
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,339	Heh. All I can say is I'm glad they weren't my parents. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

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Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,947	Geez..going to the extreme or what..poor kid __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

01-04-2007, 09:15 PM	#11
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,339	I'm curious. For those of you who are thinking its "ok" or "the best situation"... is it because the child is gone mentally, physically, or both? __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

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Grapesoda So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 46,238	it's an interesting concept for sure

01-04-2007, 08:24 PM	#7
Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life (felis madjewicus) Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In Mom & Dad's Basement Posts: 20,368	it sounds to me like they're doing their best to ease the situation they're in and keep their daughter alive. would you want to take care of a full grown vegetable for the rest of your life? its easier to take care of a child i'd think. not a single one of us has any place to question their intentions either way. i couldn't imagine going through a pregnancy, and winding up with a severely handicapped child like that. i don't know what the fuck i would do.

01-04-2007, 08:38 PM	#8
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	This is one of those "good intentions" but bad execution. Much of it seems to come from a desire by the parents to not have to deal with issues such as the girl getting larger, or (gasp) growing boobs or having a monthly cycle. All of their points are well taken, but in theory all women could avoid most causes of breast and ovarian cancer if they just all had their breasts and ovaries removed early in life before they would miss them. I am more wondering about the doctors that performed the operations... it seems like very unneeded surgical interventions to me.

01-04-2007, 08:57 PM	#9
wyldblyss Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Buck Starts Here Posts: 5,779	It is a really tough call. Until you have taken care of someone who has little to no brain function 24/7 I don't think any of us can judge...it is not like they cut off her arms and legs. My 30 year old SIN had breast cancer...it was HER choice to have her other breast removed as a precaution. Just recently, she went in and had her ovaries and uterus removed...for no other reason than her not wanting to go thru cancer/chemo again. A family, that has a very large incidence of stomach cancer in their family...they ALL (about 12-15 of them) had their stomachs removed as a precaution. People do this all of the time. There is a huge difference between turning/lifting/washing a 60 lb person and a 120 lb person. The girl is in diapers...bad enough cleaning up pee and poop, adding blood from her periods in the mix is not necessary. Her periods and the ability to have children are of no purpose to her. I know it sounds cruel...and if I had a child in that situation, not sure I would do it....but in all honesty...as much as I HATE myself for saying this...I just don't know if I would have the patience and the absolute devotion to care for a severely disabled child 24/7 until the day she died. You basically give up your entire life.....and then you worry about what will happen after you are gone and there is no one left to care for her.

01-04-2007, 09:13 PM	#10
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	wyldblyss, so how much further is it before we go back to the Spartan theory and take her up on a mountain side and leave her to die? Just wondering.

01-04-2007, 09:30 PM	#13
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Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	i think its pretty cool.

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Grapesoda So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 46,238	interesting read . . thanks guys . . .