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hahmike · 07-24-2002, 03:38 PM

well, i don't know. but i'm hoping that someone can shine a little light on this one, because i just can't figure it out.

spent a few hours today surfing around the boards (i recently discovered *******, hehe). i read about the 600 signup thing on another board today and it set me thinking that actually, there are quite a few people who claim to have 600+ signups per day with 4free programs.

whether this is possible for the average webmaster... i don't know. maybe the owner of a large-ish site, or a freehost owner, or an affiliate program could do it from their exits or blurs.

as for the average webmasters doing 600+ signups daily on 4free programs... this one has me stumped! i wouldn't expect anyone to say something like "yeah, this is how its done... blah blah blah", BUT...

converting at 1:5, you'd need to send 3000 clicks per day to get 600 joins. that is $900 per day. that is reasonable for any webmaster. however, actual conversions are more likely to be around 1:20... requiring 10* 600 = 6000 * 2 = 12000 clicks per day. at 2% ctr, that is 12000/0.02 = 600k traffic daily. fuckin' shit!

doubtful these people are pushing this much traffic. i just can't comprehend how it is possible with any less than 600 to 700k traffic daily.

either there are many people telling porkies for no reason... or there are some brilliant minds out there.

any 4free program owners care to comment... i think every webmaster here would be glad to hear it. is it actually possible to make good money on the 4free programs without an insane volume of traffic?

GTS Mark · 07-24-2002, 03:44 PM

That is pretty interesting Mike... Also alot of big TGP's won't accept Join For Free programs anymore as well so where is the traffic coming from. I think I know only a few select people on this board that could put up those kind of numbers. Interesting I would like to hear some more comments.

DH

Sly_RJ · 07-24-2002, 03:50 PM

A better question is, why would you push all that traffic to some free site and get paid small bucks? Whether it's 404, blind, exit, or whatever, you have to be able to do SOMETHING with it to make some better jack.

I started promoting FEB, but now I just say fuck it. I can get 1:20-30 conversions with FEB and make a buck, or I can get 1:200 conversions with Top Bucks and get $35. We're talking $10 up against $35. Which would you take? Pretty easy answer for me...

hahmike · 07-24-2002, 03:59 PM

that's a common argument sly... heheh.

actually the numbers are quite similar when you think about it.

1:200 with topbucks is actually 1:400 as they're counting second page raw.

the program i'm using is paying 1.50 per join and converting raw 1:20 first page. of 400 clicks, that is 20*1.5 = $35.

but remember that it is MUCH easier to get people to click for a free program, where they are told there is no credit card required.

4free has its advantages. surfers don't get rejected because of scrubbing or because of they are in russia or a different high risk nation. there are some other advantages.

if a 17 year old kid wants to join, he is going to be able to join the 4free site without stealing daddy's credit card. i'm not saying that is a good thing, or that it's morally correct... but in general terms it is money where you wouldn't have earned money before. that isn't a reason for promoting a 4free program so don't bitch at me. just thought i'd mention it because it IS a fact when dealing with a 4free program.

of course persignup DOES have it advantages too.

personally and all in all i just prefer the 4free program even if i'm using one that pays a little less. it is a bit less of a headache for me, i'd take it over the persignup program where i spend the day worrying whether anyone is going to join or not.

Sly_RJ · 07-24-2002, 04:03 PM

Hmm... I see. I haven't tried out 4free, so have no idea how they would do with me. Maybe I'll check them out anyway and see what happens. I wasn't even thinking of the second page clicks either...

I would imagine you could do pretty decent with the various free programs on the search engines. Although it's probably pretty competitive, the conversions might be better? But, whenever I'm looking for something and include the word "free", I'm not looking to register for anything. Any insight on this?

Fletch XXX · 07-24-2002, 04:17 PM

There are quite a fre High traffic sites pushing FEB hard, I would love to know their numbers.

TopCashQ · 07-24-2002, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hahmike
that's a common argument sly... heheh.

actually the numbers are quite similar when you think about it.

1:200 with topbucks is actually 1:400 as they're counting second page raw.

the program i'm using is paying 1.50 per join and converting raw 1:20 first page. of 400 clicks, that is 20*1.5 = $35.

Just wanted to clarify a couple of things -
1st - TopBucks counts/reports first page uniques, not second page raw.
2nd - 20*1.5 = $30, not $35

Not trying to get you riled up - I just wanted to point those two items out.

hahmike · 07-24-2002, 04:25 PM

my mistake.

i'm pretty sure that someone from platinum bucks said that they count the traffic the same way as topbucks (and PB count second page raw)... anyway, it doesn't really matter, as i'm sure you know how you count your traffic. just explaining where i found that logic.

moving swiftly on...

playa · 07-24-2002, 04:37 PM

if someone can convert 1 out 7 with free email program and doing 600 sign ups a day,,
then its obivous that they are wasting that traffic and would do a hell of alot better with a per sign up or even a partnership proggie

hahmike · 07-24-2002, 04:42 PM

that is true, but not as "true" as people think. not absolutely true.

remember, it is easier to drive traffic to a 4free program counting raw traffic, when you can tell people that they don't need a credit card, won't need a credit card, and will never be asked for one either...

personally i find that a lot of the 4free programs count traffic much better than persign sponsors that are counting 40 to 55% of traffic sent. easy to track through your own clickcount script.

not saying that 4free is supreme at all, but this "600 per day" thing is STILL pissing me off.

Sly_RJ · 07-24-2002, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hahmike
not saying that 4free is supreme at all, but this "600 per day" thing is STILL pissing me off.

It's a conspiracy!

Thanks for clarifying things on Top Bucks. I was bummed when Mike said they count second page clicks. But I'm happy again knowing they count first page clicks. Making $.18 per click is cool.

RRRED · 07-24-2002, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by hahmike

remember, it is easier to drive traffic to a 4free program counting raw traffic, when you can tell people that they don't need a credit card, won't need a credit card, and will never be asked for one either...

TRUE! I bet we'd see alot more webmasters doing those kind of numbers if they were promoting it to the best of their ability. It is not difficult to "sell" a "free" membership. Click thru ratio is just as important as conversion ratio. Our tours are always fresh so once we get the surfer to the tour, you're looking at an average of 1:20 ratio. The trick is to get them there. A banner ad just isn't going to cut it these days. Surfers are getting more savvy and you need to make sure you gain their trust right at the beginning. Don't promise them the world because they aren't going to get it for free. They aren't stupid either. They know there are limits to what is free on the web.

A screen shot of the front page of the tour and/or the members area is a nice way to get the surfer familiar with what they're going to encounter after they click. This alone WILL increase your click thru ratio by surprising amounts. I like to tell the surfer of the several steps it takes to become a member and what to expect as far as the newsletters they will receive. It doesn't hurt to describe the newsletter as delicately picked paysites that we recommend to our members. Just because we care about them

Know the program you're promoting. Does your 4free program of choice allow access to all niche sites they offer with one membership? Or do they pay seperately for each site? Important to know so you know how to promote.

Your traffic source is also a big factor as you already know. Bookmark traffic is going to do very well at first, and then you will see a decline as your most regular visitors are more than likely already a member. So it is important to use other trusted programs that are similar in conjunction with your 4free proggie of choice. If you are sending a nice mix of tgp, toplist, search engine, and link list traffic you should do consistant signups with no problem. KNOW where your traffic is coming from too. Some people don't realize that your traffic sources sometimes change THEIR traffic sources so keep a close eye on this as well. Do your surfers even speak English? Again, very important to know.

Anyhow, it's not impossible to get those kind of numbers as long as you're driving fresh traffic in. Don't forget 404, credit card decline pages, double opt in emails, and consoles though. Regular tgp submissions alone aren't going to cut it.

Chris R · 07-24-2002, 07:36 PM

If people are looking for free stuff - I give - or try to give them free stuff.

I get a few hundred 4 free sign ups per day - and I don't think I would do better with pay per sign up on those.

QUALITY of traffic is much more important than QUANTITY. I make around $200-300 per GIG of BW.

I think RRRED is right. I would wager to say that 90% of webmasters have NO CLUE who their traffic is.

"productivity" or whatever joke measure people use to measure their traffic sucks.

You need to have english traffic. I saw someone the other day claiming they had 20% proxy traffic. No they don't - they are being ripped off on at least 15% of their traffic.

I think people worry WAY too much about traffic numbers. They need to find QUALITY traffic and get it on a consistent basis.

Just my 2 cents

cosis · 07-24-2002, 07:58 PM

not bad

Dawgy · 07-24-2002, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris R
I get a few hundred 4 free sign ups per day - and I don't think I would do better with pay per sign up on those.

that amazes me. ive never had more than a few, i just cannot get people to signup for a for free program.

hit me on icq sometime 1148977

RRRED · 07-24-2002, 08:10 PM

Yes Chris.... ANYONE..... help Dawgy out. He's all good looks and shitty horrible converting traffic.

;)

Anyone who can get him converting at least 1:50 I will put his account under you as a referrer.

Dawgy · 07-24-2002, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RRRED
Yes Chris.... ANYONE..... help Dawgy out. He's all good looks and shitty horrible converting traffic.

;)

Anyone who can get him converting at least 1:50 I will put his account under you as a referrer.

hahaha. im not sending you much traffic right now. been focusing on other projects.

but id love to send a few hundred a day

chodadog · 07-24-2002, 08:17 PM

I remember a while ago on the wegcash boards, some guy having this huge bitch at wegcash, accuing them of being thieves 'cause his referal income had dropped 60 US dollars/day

Turns out, an affiliate that was pushing 600 4free signups per day had just stopped. Promoting another program or whatever i guess. But that shows, it is possible.

60 US dollars = 10 cents per signup your ref gets = 600 signups per day.

07-24-2002, 03:38 PM	#1
hahmike So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,488	i make 600 signups per day with 4free programs - this is how ---> well, i don't know. but i'm hoping that someone can shine a little light on this one, because i just can't figure it out. spent a few hours today surfing around the boards (i recently discovered ******, hehe). i read about the 600 signup thing on another board today and it set me thinking that actually, there are quite a few people who claim to have 600+ signups per day with 4free programs. whether this is possible for the average webmaster... i don't know. maybe the owner of a large-ish site, or a freehost owner, or an affiliate program could do it from their exits or blurs. as for the average webmasters doing 600+ signups daily on 4free programs... this one has me stumped! i wouldn't expect anyone to say something like "yeah, this is how its done... blah blah blah", BUT... converting at 1:5, you'd need to send 3000 clicks per day to get 600 joins. that is $900 per day. that is reasonable for any webmaster. however, actual conversions are more likely to be around 1:20... requiring 10 600 = 6000 * 2 = 12000 clicks per day. at 2% ctr, that is 12000/0.02 = 600k traffic daily. fuckin' shit! doubtful these people are pushing this much traffic. i just can't comprehend how it is possible with any less than 600 to 700k traffic daily. either there are many people telling porkies for no reason... or there are some brilliant minds out there. any 4free program owners care to comment... i think every webmaster here would be glad to hear it. is it actually possible to make good money on the 4free programs without an insane volume of traffic? Last edited by hahmike; 07-24-2002 at 03:41 PM..

07-24-2002, 03:50 PM	#3
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	A better question is, why would you push all that traffic to some free site and get paid small bucks? Whether it's 404, blind, exit, or whatever, you have to be able to do SOMETHING with it to make some better jack. I started promoting FEB, but now I just say fuck it. I can get 1:20-30 conversions with FEB and make a buck, or I can get 1:200 conversions with Top Bucks and get $35. We're talking $10 up against $35. Which would you take? Pretty easy answer for me... __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

07-24-2002, 03:59 PM	#4
hahmike So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,488	that's a common argument sly... heheh. actually the numbers are quite similar when you think about it. 1:200 with topbucks is actually 1:400 as they're counting second page raw. the program i'm using is paying 1.50 per join and converting raw 1:20 first page. of 400 clicks, that is 201.5 = $35. but remember that it is MUCH easier to get people to click for a free program, where they are told there is no credit card required. 4free has its advantages. surfers don't get rejected because of scrubbing or because of they are in russia or a different high risk nation. there are some other advantages. if a 17 year old kid wants to join, he is going to be able to join the 4free site without stealing daddy's credit card. i'm not saying that is a good thing, or that it's morally correct... but in general terms it is money where you wouldn't have earned money before. that isn't a reason for promoting a 4free program so don't bitch at me. just thought i'd mention it because it IS a fact when dealing with a 4free program. of course persignup DOES have it advantages too. personally and all in all i just prefer the 4free program even if i'm using one that pays a little less. it is a bit less of a headache for me, i'd take it over the persignup program where i spend the day worrying whether anyone is going to join or not. Last edited by hahmike; 07-24-2002 at 04:01 PM..*

07-24-2002, 04:17 PM	#6
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	There are quite a fre High traffic sites pushing FEB hard, I would love to know their numbers. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

07-24-2002, 04:42 PM	#10
hahmike So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,488	that is true, but not as "true" as people think. not absolutely true. remember, it is easier to drive traffic to a 4free program counting raw traffic, when you can tell people that they don't need a credit card, won't need a credit card, and will never be asked for one either... personally i find that a lot of the 4free programs count traffic much better than persign sponsors that are counting 40 to 55% of traffic sent. easy to track through your own clickcount script. not saying that 4free is supreme at all, but this "600 per day" thing is STILL pissing me off. Last edited by hahmike; 07-24-2002 at 04:43 PM..

07-24-2002, 03:44 PM	#2
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	That is pretty interesting Mike... Also alot of big TGP's won't accept Join For Free programs anymore as well so where is the traffic coming from. I think I know only a few select people on this board that could put up those kind of numbers. Interesting I would like to hear some more comments. DH

07-24-2002, 04:03 PM	#5
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Hmm... I see. I haven't tried out 4free, so have no idea how they would do with me. Maybe I'll check them out anyway and see what happens. I wasn't even thinking of the second page clicks either... I would imagine you could do pretty decent with the various free programs on the search engines. Although it's probably pretty competitive, the conversions might be better? But, whenever I'm looking for something and include the word "free", I'm not looking to register for anything. Any insight on this?

07-24-2002, 04:25 PM	#8
hahmike So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,488	my mistake. i'm pretty sure that someone from platinum bucks said that they count the traffic the same way as topbucks (and PB count second page raw)... anyway, it doesn't really matter, as i'm sure you know how you count your traffic. just explaining where i found that logic. moving swiftly on...

07-24-2002, 04:37 PM	#9
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	if someone can convert 1 out 7 with free email program and doing 600 sign ups a day,, then its obivous that they are wasting that traffic and would do a hell of alot better with a per sign up or even a partnership proggie

07-24-2002, 07:36 PM	#13
Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	If people are looking for free stuff - I give - or try to give them free stuff. I get a few hundred 4 free sign ups per day - and I don't think I would do better with pay per sign up on those. QUALITY of traffic is much more important than QUANTITY. I make around $200-300 per GIG of BW. I think RRRED is right. I would wager to say that 90% of webmasters have NO CLUE who their traffic is. "productivity" or whatever joke measure people use to measure their traffic sucks. You need to have english traffic. I saw someone the other day claiming they had 20% proxy traffic. No they don't - they are being ripped off on at least 15% of their traffic. I think people worry WAY too much about traffic numbers. They need to find QUALITY traffic and get it on a consistent basis. Just my 2 cents

07-24-2002, 07:58 PM	#14
cosis Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Beach Posts: 5,287	not bad

07-24-2002, 08:10 PM	#16
RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	Yes Chris.... ANYONE..... help Dawgy out. He's all good looks and shitty horrible converting traffic. ;) Anyone who can get him converting at least 1:50 I will put his account under you as a referrer.

07-24-2002, 08:17 PM	#18
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	I remember a while ago on the wegcash boards, some guy having this huge bitch at wegcash, accuing them of being thieves 'cause his referal income had dropped 60 US dollars/day Turns out, an affiliate that was pushing 600 4free signups per day had just stopped. Promoting another program or whatever i guess. But that shows, it is possible. 60 US dollars = 10 cents per signup your ref gets = 600 signups per day.