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Splum 12-30-2006 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 11621520)
On the other side of the coin you could simply say:

FACT: Anytime you put gas into your car, regardless of where you live, you are helping to fund terrorism. 65% of the oil in the world is in the middle east. These countries support terrorism either directly or indirectly. Even countries like Dubai and Qatar that say they are our allies often give money to terrorist organizations like Hamas or they do little or nothing to find/remove terrorist from their countries. Of the remaining 35% of the world's oil most of it is located in some shithole of a third world country or in places where there is contestant unrest (not all of it, but most of it). Many of these countries also support terrorism either directly or indirectly.

If 65% of the world's oil comes from the middle east then every time you put 10 gallons into your car 6.5 gallons went to a country that supports terrorism.

My point is that in the modern world, unless you live in a house that runs on solar power, has no phone and you grow all your own food, don't own a car and have no source of income, you subsist only what you grow for yourself, some of your money is going to someone that is doing something you don't like.

Very good points and I have no problem with the products I consume, I can partially take the blame for some of the terrorism aimed at my country. This thread is not directed at most "normal" people its directed at those who think their shit doesnt stink.

pornonada 12-30-2006 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 11621517)
Your servers are located in the United States, your registrar is an American company etc etc. Please lets not nitpick.

Of course there are some services or products i use, no doubt on this. But it's not that it's something esential. For example only my .html is hosted in the USA, all my Thumbs and 95% of my bandwith is from webazilla in the netherlands.
Also what makes an US Registar better than any other? Nothing at all, it's not something that couldn't be replaces easy and within some days.

I'am not an US Hater as you called me, but there aren't really that much products and services i use or could easiest replace as an european.

how i said, just generally as it was just interesting to see that there aren't really many things from the US i'am using

just a punk 12-30-2006 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11621491)
In reality - the US has nothing to offer - apart from arms and where the US is the main arms trader on the planet.

Nop, as far as I know Russia is number one on that market again :) If I wrong there - please correct me.

As about the US products "I'm using". I can only agree with you because I can't name anything labeled "made in USA" I have purchased recently. All the natural resources I'm using (e.g. gas, fuel, wood-made products etc) have a local origin because my country is one of the biggest exporter of these products so there is no need for the import. As about the food, so I prefer healthy and natural food only and don't eat in McDonald's (actually I'm visiting em' sometimes but only to use their free toilets :)). All the technics I buy is coming from China/Taiwan/Japan + a few EU countries (e.g. Phillips etc). So I really can't find anything USA-related among the things I'm used to pay for everyday.

Splum 12-30-2006 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pornonada (Post 11621565)
Of course there are some services or products i use, no doubt on this. But it's not that it's something esential. For example only my .html is hosted in the USA, all my Thumbs and 95% of my bandwith is from webazilla in the netherlands. Also what makes an US Registar better than any other? Nothing at all, it's not something that couldn't be replaces easy and within some days. I'am not an US Hater as you called me, but there aren't really that much products and services i use or could easiest replace as an european. how i said, just generally as it was just interesting to see that there aren't really many things from the US i'am using

Hmm let me count how many Bulgarian products I have in my household.... oh look none. Fact remains, whether you like it or not, you have blood on your hands as well, own up to it.

L-Pink 12-30-2006 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11621491)
Don't ever think all other nations rely on the US for much - they don't, but have their own manufacturing base and trade with the world while managing their own fiscal affairs. (Part of the reason for the weak currency exchange on the dollar.)

I try to BUY AMERICAN, I really do. It's sad.

Both of my heavily advertised "Heartbeat of America" Chevrolets were made in foreign countries. My Apple computer was made in China. TV's, appliances, cameras, most clothing ... all made in other countries despite my efforts.

I have found good furniture made in the Carolina's, the Michelin tires on my truck are US made. For the most part American consumers daily weaken our economy without thought or choice.

Webby 12-30-2006 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 11621551)
Very good points and I have no problem with the products I consume, I can partially take the blame for some of the terrorism aimed at my country. This thread is not directed at most "normal" people its directed at those who think their shit doesnt stink.

What you had as examples are more evidence of the reality than your percieved version - the US is very heavily reliant on other nations, - not the other way around.

"Those who think their shit doesnt stink"... who is that suppose to mean?? The prime stench on this planet comes from what is known as the US, tho there are other nations not far behind.

It is also fair to say the biggest yapping clueless mouths always seem to come from the US - hardly a surprise, but create this impression in other nations that the US is full of idiots just like you. Fortunately, that is not the case and it may be relevant to have one of your countrymen tell you to shut your stupid mouth and quit being an ignorant asshole.

Till you can behave, there is no reason to treat you or your government with anything but the contempt they fully deserve. Have a nice day silly little lad :thumbsup

Splum 12-30-2006 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11621637)
The prime stench on this planet comes from what is known as the US, tho there are other nations not far behind.

I think what you are smelling is that jungle monkey you call a teen girlfriend youve got stashed in your hut. You really should wash her/its cooch Webby.

Long live the United States of America.

pornonada 12-30-2006 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 11621615)
Hmm let me count how many Bulgarian products I have in my household.... oh look none. Fact remains, whether you like it or not, you have blood on your hands as well, own up to it.

hahahahaha, look, that's the difference, i don't get mad with such things and i don't have to defend whatever at all costs. I'am ok that Bulgaria for example is one of the poorer countries, that makes my own life even better :321GFY

You are too fantatic, you are too self conveinced and you think just because are an American you can look down from the high horse, but you fail to realize that with your "wanna-be-propaganda" you don't do nobody a favour, it's a joke.

Even more after you came up with that "Anti-American-Blacklist" you put people in that had a different opinion on some political issues, pfffffttttttt, you are the biggest Anti-American your own. You seem to be like the kind of persons that failed moslty make something their own and than think only because they are born in the US makes them a "Higher Class" automaticly, but that's not true. An idiot is just an idiot, doesn't matter where in the universe, lol.

And now what? Will this bring me now on the "Ultra-American0 Hater List? Will it be shared not on CNN and not only to your "Business Partners"??
Pffffft, get a life man.

Webby 12-30-2006 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 11621612)
Nop, as far as I know Russia is number one on that market again :) If I wrong there - please correct me.

As about the US products "I'm using". I can only agree with you because I can't name anything labeled "made in USA" I have purchased recently. All the natural resources I'm using (e.g. gas, fuel, wood-made products etc) have a local origin because my country is one of the biggest exporter of these products so there is no need for the import. As about the food, so I prefer healthy and natural food only and don't eat in McDonald's (actually I'm visiting em' sometimes but only to use their free toilets :)). All the technics I buy is coming from China/Taiwan/Japan + a few EU countries (e.g. Phillips etc). So I really can't find anything USA-related among the things I'm used to pay for everyday.

Damn.. if these arms trading figures are correct - it's the last thing going for the US and sure to throw that trading deficit into a total spin.

Ah.. found some stats - tho they are 2 years out date..

Country Current US dollars 1990 US dollars
United States $89,500,000,000 $5,400,000,000
Russia $4,600,000,000 $6,200,000,000
France $4,400,000,000 $2,100,000,000
United Kingdom $1,900,000,000 $985,000,000
Germany $900,000,000 $1,100,000,000
Canada $900,000,000 $543,000,000
China $700,000,000 $125,000,000
Israel $500,000,000 $283,000,000

Odd that a nation can be the largest weapons trader on the planet and still can't muster a trade surplus for almost four decades. Shows how bad the rest must be.

Just had a look round the office here and trying to find anything of US manufacture - it's all either local or manufactured in Asia. Same here on food - avoid eating crap. The diet here is very healthy in comparison with a number of industrialized countries and also far cheaper - a fair amount of fruit etc is exported - including to the US :) There are a few US restaurant food chains - McDonalds, TGF, Hooters blah, but also better local eating houses

Cars are mainly from Japan, but a few from the US, tho these are mainly the preference of US folks here - and a few vehicles from Europe.

Suspect the US consumes every bit of it's manufacturing output - then borrows to buy as much as credit will allow from other nations. Back to the old story of what exactly the US has to offer the planet - apart from arms and the strange desire for global conflict and creating profit centers from "wars" :)

kane 12-30-2006 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11621491)
Last I looked my computer parts are made in China and Asia generally. Last I looked, the cable company did not belong to the US. Thanks to Jupiter, GFY is hosted on a US server - so, to that degree, I must be using "US technologies".

In reality - the US has nothing to offer - apart from arms and where the US is the main arms trader on the planet. I have little use for arms - but thanks :)

Surprising that people think the US has something awesome to offer - it doesn't. The US needs more resources from others than it could ever make and borrows to stupid levels in a hope of sustaining the unsustainable.

Economically, one of the major failings is that US manufacturing is a lump of mental on a scrap heap. Doubt it will ever happen, but there is one very serious need for a solid manufacturing base instead of living off the cheap labor of several other nations - who are, ironically, in a better financial situation than the US is.

Don't ever think all other nations rely on the US for much - they don't, but have their own manufacturing base and trade with the world while managing their own fiscal affairs. (Part of the reason for the weak currency exchange on the dollar.)

If you do live in Costa Rica, let's do a little comparison.

US inflation rate - 2.97% (give or take)
Costa Rica inflation rate - 13.8% (give or take)

US unemployment rate - 5.1%
Costa Rica unemployment rate - 6.6%

US GDP 12.41 trillion
Costa Rica GDP 40.44 billion

US per capita income - 41,000 (average)
Costa Rica per capita income - 10,100 (average)

US exports - 927.5 billion
Costa Rica exports - 7.005 billion

US imports - 1.727 trillion
Costa Rica imports - 9.69 billion (is that is deficit? oh the horror.)

Now here is the interesting one ( at least to me)
If you take the total deficit for each country and divide it by the number of people in the country here is what you come up with. This number represents the amount of the deficit each person in the country is responsible for.

US - $2,665
Costa Rica $658

Now that seems like a big difference, but when you factor that number in with the average per capita income they are exactly the same. The average US citizen will pay 6.5% of their income towards the deficit and the average Costa Rican will also pay 6.5% of their income towards their deficit.

So yes, the US has a deficit, but so do most countries and yes ours is bigger, but so is our average income and spending power so in the end it equals out.

As for the US not contributing anything to the world.

Last I checked we had a little company called Microsoft in this country. I'm sure they've done nothing to help the world. That Henry Ford guy didn't do jack shit for helping to revolutionize cars. Kind of like those lame ass Wright brothers and their stupid flying machines. I'm pretty sure that Boeing aircraft I flew in on my last vacation came from. . . well. . . Boeing which is a US company. Here is a nice little list of inventions by people in the US http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tes_inventions There are a lot of useless things on there like Personal Computer and the defibrillator, the space shuttle and the polio vaccine.

Are we a perfect country? No. do we make mistakes? Hell yeah! Do I agree with everything this country does or stands for? No. I would imagine that most anyone could say the same about their country.

Are we a great country that actually contributes a great deal to the world. Without a doubt.

If we are such a terrible country then why do people still flock to come here? Here's a nice little statistic from the UN. These are the top three destination countries for immigrants the number is the amount of people that moved there in 2004: 946,100 for the U.S., 266,500 for the UK, and 156,400 for Italy. I don't see people flocking to your utopian paradise.

Anyway. I would ask you to post exactly what your country has done or does to contribute to the world as a whole and explain to me why it is so much better than mine?

Webby 12-30-2006 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 11621693)
I think what you are smelling is that jungle monkey you call a teen girlfriend youve got stashed in your hut. You really should wash her/its cooch Webby.

Long live the United States of America.

Tut tut... How very sad :winkwink:

Another reality - Got more respect for a group of monkeys than human garbage like you. Monkeys don't smell like shit and they have a level of intelligence, unlike you. They also have an orderly social structure and can resist the need to torture each other - strange eh? You can learn a lot from monkeys - tell your idiot President :thumbsup

How long the US "lives" will depend on your getting off your ass and making the economy stable - when you gonna start?? :)

Webby 12-30-2006 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 11621836)
Anyway. I would ask you to post exactly what your country has done or does to contribute to the world as a whole and explain to me why it is so much better than mine?

(a) I am not a citizen of Costa Rica

(b) I don't use "US products"

(c) The US has nothing to offer me - it may be useful to others, but not me.

(d) Got no interest in stupid US games of how one nation is "better than mine"

Grow the fuck up and hit the real world and start learning about reality.

Have a nice day :thumbsup



PS And I never made any claims of any country being better than another - pathetic.

kane 12-30-2006 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11621872)
(a) I am not a citizen of Costa Rica

(b) I don't use "US products"

(c) The US has nothing to offer me - it may be useful to others, but not me.

(d) Got no interest in stupid US games of how one nation is "better than mine"

Grow the fuck up and hit the real world and start learning about reality.

Have a nice day :thumbsup



PS And I never made any claims of any country being better than another - pathetic.


So you sell porn online? I would assume you have some kind of affiliation with online porn because you are here on GFY. If you do sell porn online then you have a need for a US products and it probably has a lot to offer you.

kane 12-30-2006 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11621872)
(a) I am not a citizen of Costa Rica

(b) I don't use "US products"

(c) The US has nothing to offer me - it may be useful to others, but not me.

(d) Got no interest in stupid US games of how one nation is "better than mine"

Grow the fuck up and hit the real world and start learning about reality.

Have a nice day :thumbsup



PS And I never made any claims of any country being better than another - pathetic.


one other question. You say you are not a citizen of Costa Rica. Fair enough. What country are you a citizen of? You like to spout off about how poor the US economy is (and in many aspects of that conversation I would probably agree with you) but lets take a look at your contries economy and see just how much better off it is.

pornonada 12-30-2006 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 11621836)
Are we a perfect country? No. do we make mistakes? Hell yeah! Do I agree with everything this country does or stands for? No. I would imagine that most anyone could say the same about their country.

Are we a great country that actually contributes a great deal to the world. Without a doubt.

If we are such a terrible country then why do people still flock to come here? Here's a nice little statistic from the UN. These are the top three destination countries for immigrants the number is the amount of people that moved there in 2004: 946,100 for the U.S., 266,500 for the UK, and 156,400 for Italy. I don't see people flocking to your utopian paradise.

Anyway. I would ask you to post exactly what your country has done or does to contribute to the world as a whole and explain to me why it is so much better than mine?

Very interesting post :thumbsup
I'am only posting here in this thread because this Splum Assface puts people on "Anti-American" Blacklists due one or another different opinion, which pretty much shows that he doesn't support democracy nor free speech, he is just an hardcoded idiot, that's it.

In my opinion there are no bad and good nations anyway, just good and bad people living in different nations, but that would to be get to moralic i guess.

aico 12-30-2006 04:00 PM

10 INPUT "What is your name: "; N$
20 PRINT " Hello "; N$
30 REM
40 INPUT "Did you start this thread? " ; A$
50 IF (A$ = "Y") OR (A$ = "y") THEN GOTO 70
60 IF (A$ = "N") OR (A$ = "n") THEN GOTO 90
70 PRINT N$ ", you are a fucking idiot!!!!!!"
80 GOTO 70
90 PRINT "Goodbye"
100 END

just a punk 12-30-2006 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 11621886)
So you sell porn online? I would assume you have some kind of affiliation with online porn because you are here on GFY. If you do sell porn online then you have a need for a US products and it probably has a lot to offer you.

Sorry but I'm not agree with that. Personally I don't need the US products to sell porn. Otherwise I need the US consumers to do that :)

just a punk 12-30-2006 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aico (Post 11621919)
10 INPUT "What is your name: "; N$
20 PRINT " Hello "; N$
30 REM
40 INPUT "Did you start this thread? " ; A$
50 IF (A$ = "Y") OR (A$ = "y") THEN GOTO 70
60 IF (A$ = "N") OR (A$ = "n") THEN GOTO 90
70 PRINT N$ ", you are a fucking idiot!!!!!!"
80 GOTO 70
90 PRINT "Goodbye"
100 END

I was thought I totally forgot BASIC for all those years passed since I've completed the school (I'm used to work with C/C++, PHP, Java, JavaScript and sometimes Pascal/Delphi) but I have to state... I still able to read it :thumbsup

Webby 12-30-2006 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 11621886)
So you sell porn online? I would assume you have some kind of affiliation with online porn because you are here on GFY. If you do sell porn online then you have a need for a US products and it probably has a lot to offer you.

BTW.. No disrespect intended kane.

In answer to your question, yes - and no. Involved in online adult, but have no particular use for "US products". Was in the adult biz for decades before the net and rarely dealt with the US - the US never invented porn or the adult business (at least in the form we now know it).

Sure, there definately is a number of decent products on offer from the US, - same with several countries - but prefer to work with folks known over decades. That has nothing to do with the US in particular - more an matter of working with people who already knew the adult biz long before the net and have a positive track record.

If there is any US aspect - that would prob come from having no desire to operate under US laws, which as you prob know, are not "appealing" to the adult biz and US corp formation has no advantages above that which we currently operate under - in fact, it's the complete opposite and a total liability.

kane 12-30-2006 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 11621933)
Sorry but I'm not agree with that. Personally I don't need the US products to sell porn. Otherwise I need the US consumers to do that :)

I would imagine you are wrong about this.
Do you use a computer that has either Windows or Mac OS on it? If so that is a US product. Some might even argue Linux is a US product.

Do you use: Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Office ( or for that matter any Microsoft software), just about any email client? If so you are using US products to sell porn.

do you host in the US or use US based sponsor programs? If so you are using US products. Do you get paid in US dollars. The US dollar is a product of the US. If you send an email to anyone in the US or get an email from anyone in the US you are using a US product.

I would venture to guess you are actually using more US products than you realize in your day to day business life.

kane 12-30-2006 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11622007)
BTW.. No disrespect intended kane.

In answer to your question, yes - and no. Involved in online adult, but have no particular use for "US products". Was in the adult biz for decades before the net and rarely dealt with the US - the US never invented porn or the adult business (at least in the form we now know it).

Sure, there definately is a number of decent products on offer from the US, - same with several countries - but prefer to work with folks known over decades. That has nothing to do with the US in particular - more an matter of working with people who already knew the adult biz long before the net and have a positive track record.

If there is any US aspect - that would prob come from having no desire to operate under US laws, which as you prob know, are not "appealing" to the adult biz and US corp formation has no advantages above that which we currently operate under - in fact, it's the complete opposite and a total liability.

I will agree with you 100% that many US laws ( and I'm sure there will be more to come down the road ) are not appealing the adult biz. As I stated in a previous post ( might be right above this one ) I would venture to guess, however, that you use more US products than you realize in your day to day life just as I'm sure I use more non-US products than I realize in my day to day life

Webby 12-30-2006 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 11621910)
one other question. You say you are not a citizen of Costa Rica. Fair enough. What country are you a citizen of? You like to spout off about how poor the US economy is (and in many aspects of that conversation I would probably agree with you) but lets take a look at your contries economy and see just how much better off it is.

Sheesh.. got stuff to do, but quick answer...

Both the country I originate from (tho that means nada) and almost all other western countries have a fiscal policy which they manage. This can fluctuate from time to time, but the books are balanced at the end of the day.

The US has pursued a level of uncontrolled fiscal policy for decades and happy hour is over. Prediction? The US will prob end up causing other nations trouble - simply because the dollar will continue to depreciate. The massive imports to the US will cause further damage when paid for by a weak dollar. When spending levels are 160% of wage bills and a government is borrowing $2-4 billion/day from the Central Bank of China alone (estimated to be around 25% of the total daily borrowings) - there is a severe problem on the horizon.

This would be fine if there was a known method of repayment - either from trade surpluses or whatever - but that does not exist.

No other nation in the western world has this level of mismanaged finance (allowing for a pro rata adjustment on GDP) - the writing is on the wall and it's not a pretty picture.

BTW.. This has nothing to do with what country anyone lives in - it's not some friggin contest over nations. I'll leave that element to the Splum idiocy to chat about :)

just a punk 12-30-2006 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 11622050)
Some might even argue Linux is a US product.

1) It's Finnish
2) It's Freeware

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 11622050)
Do you use: Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Office ( or for that matter any Microsoft software), just about any email client? If so you are using US products to sell porn.

You don't see a whole picture :) Actually everything you counted (the OS and other software) cost almost nothing in comparison with my income. I was needed that software to get my PC working but not especially to sell porn. I.e. the money I gave to US economy when I purchased the necessary software is incomparably lesser than the money I'm receiving from there every single day. So I have to repeat: the only US "product" I need to sell porn is US consumers.

P.S. This is at least one reason you can't consider me as US hater. I wish the USA have a good and stable economy and I wish they have more healthy, lavish and solvent ppl. who will buy my products. But that's doesn't mean that I have to love Mr. Bush as well as his internal politics. I have my own point of view on it. You may accept it or not, but it's called a freedom of speech.

kane 12-30-2006 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 11622406)
1) It's Finnish
2) It's Freeware



You don't see a whole picture :) Actually everything you counted (the OS and other software) cost almost nothing in comparison with my income. I was needed that software to get my PC working but not especially to sell porn. I.e. the money I gave to US economy when I purchased the necessary software is incomparably lesser than the money I'm receiving from there every single day. So I have to repeat: the only US "product" I need to sell porn is US consumers.

P.S. This is at least one reason you can't consider me as US hater. I wish the USA have a good and stable economy and I wish they have more healthy, lavish and solvent ppl. who will buy my products. But that's doesn't mean that I have to love Mr. Bush as well as his internal politics. I have my own point of view on it. You may accept it or not, but it's called a freedom of speech.

The point isn't how much you paid for the product it is that you are reliant on a US product to make money. You paid once for your OS or any software that you use to make money, but you use it every day. So you didn't put much into the US economy. You said yourself ,"Personally I don't need the US products to sell porn." Well if you use any of the things I listed there, then yes, you do need US products to sell porn.


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