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Old 12-27-2006, 03:18 PM   #51
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Damn just close your yap. 17 is the number of resolutions that Saddam broke after being ordered by the UN to follow them. He DID NOT comply.
Yo Sticky.. I'm not with you on this one.. 17 chances .. to what show where they were hiding the WMD... well the USA still has not found them and at this point has already said he may not have had any opps.... Funny to think that the USA would go in looking for Arms that they sold Iraq in the early 80's but that a for an other thread... point is just that he has 17 chances to show what he did not have so he could never show anything.

Do I care if he get put to death .. no for one sec. but why stop at just him.. there are many more "leaders" killing people all over the world.

At least the price of gas is down now.
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Old 12-27-2006, 03:26 PM   #52
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Yo Sticky.. I'm not with you on this one.. 17 chances .. to what show where they were hiding the WMD... well the USA still has not found them and at this point has already said he may not have had any opps.... Funny to think that the USA would go in looking for Arms that they sold Iraq in the early 80's but that a for an other thread... point is just that he has 17 chances to show what he did not have so he could never show anything.

Do I care if he get put to death .. no for one sec. but why stop at just him.. there are many more "leaders" killing people all over the world.

At least the price of gas is down now.
17 chances. Each of 17 resolutions handed down to Saddam by the U.N. One after another was broken over and over again. The U.N. instead of following through just kept letting it slide and creating a new Resolution.
This originally started after the first gulf war after the slaughter of 100k of Kurds. I know many personally that lost their families and friends at the hands of Saddam. My personal opinion is to kick the U.N. the fuck out. They are a waste bunch of do nothings.
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Old 12-27-2006, 03:28 PM   #53
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Oh I'm sorry so that makes it okay. So lets go to war and kill 100,000's of thousand because he didn't do what we tell him.

The UN is the one with the power set to the penatlies NOT BUSH.
Frankly this would of all been over if the Politicaly Correct crap wasnt going on. The other countries know we wont wipe them out now, so they can fuck with us. If they believed we were going to drop a nuke on them it would save lives in the long run, just like it did in Japan. Keep in mind before you go down that path, my wife is from Japan, and my inlaws live there. Dropping the bomb saved lives on both sides in the long run.
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17 chances. Each of 17 resolutions handed down to Saddam by the U.N. One after another was broken over and over again. The U.N. instead of following through just kept letting it slide and creating a new Resolution.
This originally started after the first gulf war after the slaughter of 100k of Kurds. I know many personally that lost their families and friends at the hands of Saddam. My personal opinion is to kick the U.N. the fuck out. They are a waste bunch of do nothings.

Israel ignores the United Nations and has weapons of mass destruction. So why all the fuss about Iraq?

Double standards ?????

Kurds were killed before the First Gulf War :

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and is still debated if it wasn't the Iranians ....

US Army War College: NO PROOF SADDAM GASSED THE KURDS!


One day, you guys will be killing the Kurds ....
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old news ... And anyway, Saddam is not important any longer, Osama is ...
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Anyone really think it matters? LOL
Thats what I'm sayin...who gives a shit?!
Let the guy hang. I dont really care what laws were broken to get him there...that bitch is going down!
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Maybe its just me, but we shouldn't be executing POWs, especially foreign heads of state. What's wrong with something like we did with Milosevic and watching him rot in a cell the rest of his life? He's dead. No biggie.
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Anyone who wants to watch a guy, no matter how evil, die ... on live TV. .. is as fucking sick as the man they're executing.
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Yet the UN still did not approve of the US invading Iraq. Bush went against the international governing body and attacked anyways with fabricated reasons even though at the time Iraq posed no threat to the US, it's allies, or any other country.
Ironically, Saddam was the same guy the US govt contracted to assassinate democratically elected leaders of another Middle East country - then supplied him with arms to wage a war in the Middle East.

Saddam committed gross violations of human rights - so did/does the US in training/equipping terrorist dictatorships in torture techniques. The effects of that "training" still result in several murders a week in countries not far from US borders - but we don't like to talk about that.

There is very little difference between members of the US govt and Saddam - it's splitting hairs. All of these assholes need hung.
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Anyone who wants to watch a guy, no matter how evil, die ... on live TV. .. is as fucking sick as the man they're executing.
Sure... it would normally not be a broadcast event - just a statement when the execution is over. But..... depends if there is propaganda value to the "occupying forces" - time will tell. Wonder if they can resist it?
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Maybe its just me, but we shouldn't be executing POWs, especially foreign heads of state. What's wrong with something like we did with Milosevic and watching him rot in a cell the rest of his life? He's dead. No biggie.
We arent executing him. Iraqs government is.
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We arent executing him. Iraqs government is.
Of course - can you pass the towel when I wash my hands?

It's nice to believe in fantasies that give some comfort - that's after the trial that was organized and secured by US govt officers/contractors.

After the execution, is it time for the US to get the hell out and leave the usual load of shit behind and try and forget the Iraqi war ever happened? Another raving success story.
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Of course - can you pass the towel when I wash my hands?

It's nice to believe in fantasies that give some comfort - that's after the trial that was organized and secured by US govt officers/contractors.

After the execution, is it time for the US to get the hell out and leave the usual load of shit behind and try and forget the Iraqi war ever happened? Another raving success story.
Ya Ill just stick with what Ive learned directly from Kurds that experimented Saddam first hand.
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Ya Ill just stick with what Ive learned directly from Kurds that experimented Saddam first hand.
Try expanding that knowledge to wider fields and over several decades and find out who financed, trained and participated in the torture and killings of 1000's of people in Latin America and who bombed out democratically elected leaders of several nations. You don't have to look far.

Sure Saddam committed human rights violations - so did a number of leaders all over the globe - and don't exclude the US. There are no clean hands - sadly they are all stinking filthy. It's best to have a clean back yard before commenting on others.
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We arent executing him. Iraqs government is.
Is there really a difference? He's our POW we are giving to a new gov't that wasn't even formed when Saddam was captured. Giving a POW over to someone when there is an obvious outcome is still just as bad as if we did it ourselves. There is no confusion as to what will happen. Saddam is a war criminal, why not give him up to the internation court as we did with Milosevic? He's dead and he got a good long time to suffer in a cell.
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We arent executing him. Iraqs government is.

You have any idea in which prison he is held ....

A bit like Somalia .... today.. right now ... as I am typing this...

Ethiopia is invading Somalia ... backed by the US of A ....

" Sorry officer, I didn't kill the guy, the GUN did ... "....
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You have any idea in which prison he is held ....

A bit like Somalia .... today.. right now ... as I am typing this...

Ethiopia is invading Somalia ... backed by the US of A ....

" Sorry officer, I didn't kill the guy, the GUN did ... "....
Course it was the gun We supplied it along with the bullets, but we never fired it - Can you pass the towel?
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I dont give a fuck about the invasion of america because whatever I say wont change i think up there in the men in grey suits room.

but from what I know is that sadam took a lethal revenge attack on a village and killed all there with no remorse what soever. that is mass murder. let him hang.

good leader? yes, but he was a dictator. Stalin kept russia under wraps, likewise Hitler, were they good leaders in that respect? Yes, but did they murder their own? yes, does that make them a good leader? no!!!
so people who argue that sadam kept his country under control should have stayed in power are just clueless.

bad man is going to get hanged. and even though im against the death penalty im not that sad too see him go.
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Try expanding that knowledge to wider fields and over several decades and find out who financed, trained and participated in the torture and killings of 1000's of people in Latin America and who bombed out democratically elected leaders of several nations. You don't have to look far.

Sure Saddam committed human rights violations - so did a number of leaders all over the globe - and don't exclude the US. There are no clean hands - sadly they are all stinking filthy. It's best to have a clean back yard before commenting on others.
I wish you were wrong, sir.
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I wish you were wrong, sir.
Sure wish I was heywood - sad shit to think of.. even Latin America alone - the numbers of people who suffered badly, not forgetting those who got a bullet in the head.

Some of these "military officers" (SOA trained) are still walking freely now and in various positions of power in govts. These are the same guys who send death squads out in eg El Salvador to kill innocent women (usually by cutting their throats or stuffing a plastic bag over their heads) and leaving them to be found. Their "crimes" were that they had the ability to breed.

There are a few such killings each month, but last month there was an unusual one "squad style" - the victim was cut up and left in various plastic bags around the city. Suppose that's what happens when ya train evil asses and they end up on a power trip - they just don't care.
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webby just pwns everyone with his knowledge. i hope i never get in an argument with you webby or else im screwed.
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Is there really a difference? He's our POW we are giving to a new gov't that wasn't even formed when Saddam was captured. Giving a POW over to someone when there is an obvious outcome is still just as bad as if we did it ourselves. There is no confusion as to what will happen. Saddam is a war criminal, why not give him up to the internation court as we did with Milosevic? He's dead and he got a good long time to suffer in a cell.
No we arent holding him either. Iraq is.
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webby just pwns everyone with his knowledge. i hope i never get in an argument with you webby or else im screwed.
That stuff is well-known in Latin America scotty - it ends up in the press here, but prob not paid too much attention in world media. Latin America is fine - it's just in countries where any remainders of oppressive regimes existed - the same old faces end up in govt at various levels and still think they can terrorise folks.

Know folks here who witnessed a lot of stuff - one even attended meetings with Oliver North on the border of Nicaragua and fully aware of several "deals". Some is not so bad stuff - other things are just evil.
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? Don't know why you would say that, he is a bad person and deserves what he gets, but that doesn't change the fact that laws are being broken in order to "bring him to justice", and if that is ok with you then expect a leader of another nation to kidnap Bush next and hang him for war crimes... Both Bush and Saddam are guilty of crimes, but those with the power are the prosecutors
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A lot of things that the Americans do on behalf of the Iraquis ...
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You must have missed the fact that the UN gave Saddam 17 chances and there are over 30 countries helping the US in iraq ?

How many chances did Saddam give the Kurds before he had them gassed ?
UN also told Bush NOT to go into Iraq, didn't they?

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My favorite thing is the letter that he released, saying not to hate the invaders. Talk about propaganda
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My favorite thing is the letter that he released, saying not to hate the invaders. Talk about propaganda


No, Talk about stupidity .... yours!

Saddam's 'final message' urges Iraqis to unite against US

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