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Bake · 12-17-2006, 04:57 PM

How many surfers join as a affilate just to access free content ?

How long do you keep an affilate with no sales before you delete them ?

Dose this industry need to tighten up how many affilates a programe really needs?

bareskin · 12-17-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bake

How many surfers join as a affilate just to access free content ?

How long do you keep an affilate with no sales before you delete them ?

Dose this industry need to tighten up how many affilates a programe really needs?

Don't most aff check to see if they have a website, I know I have gotten dinged signing up for a niche oriented sponsor and my site wasn't up yet

Bake · 12-17-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bareskin

Don't most aff check to see if they have a website, I know I have gotten dinged signing up for a niche oriented sponsor and my site wasn't up yet

Most just auto accept some do manually once they email you back you can access most of the FHG and content.

Deej · 12-17-2006, 05:07 PM

the normal is 10% are active

porn blogger · 12-17-2006, 05:20 PM

i don't think program managers really care too much... as long as you get at least one unique a month.

Big John · 12-17-2006, 05:29 PM

Start deleting 'inactive' affiliates and you deserve to fail. Within reason they cost nothing to keep and a lot of very successful affiliates in this biz will rotate programs to keep sponsors fresh. Many will leave a sponsor for 12 months or more before bringing them back into rotation or until that sponsor fits a niche they're currently promoting.

The Ghost · 12-17-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bake

How many surfers join as a affilate just to access free content ?

How long do you keep an affilate with no sales before you delete them ?

Dose this industry need to tighten up how many affilates a programe really needs?

Another one to mention are those that never send a single hit. Completely agreed on tightening up and being deligent to make sure that those who are allowed access are indeed webmasters.

How have you been Bake? Hit me up when you get a chance, got something to show you

Bake · 12-17-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Big John

Start deleting 'inactive' affiliates and you deserve to fail. Within reason they cost nothing to keep and a lot of very successful affiliates in this biz will rotate programs to keep sponsors fresh. Many will leave a sponsor for 12 months or more before bringing them back into rotation or until that sponsor fits a niche they're currently promoting.

Can you show me how they cost nothing?
People rotate sponsors all the time and I myself will swap between whom I'm pushing hard and those I'm not.
I susgesting that many affilates will never send a single click never alone a sale.
If you a real webmaster and you account got deleted because of inactivity and you where about to use them agian you can allways signup agian or email the affilate manager and ask them to reactivate you.

nekrom · 12-17-2006, 06:08 PM

Out of curosity. What resources does a non active affiliate use, other then a bit of mysql/db keeping their data?

-N

Bake · 12-17-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nekrom

Out of curosity. What resources does a non active affiliate use, other then a bit of mysql/db keeping their data?

-N

They can download all your free content and then share it with there friends for one.
Now some might argue about all branding is good.
Some will argue that over exposing your content losses it inpact and good affilates will then not use you because your everywhere for free. Have you never come across a surfer private site with 5000 pics downloaded from the webmaster area and and not link back to the sponsor anywhere?

Dodge2hot · 12-17-2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Big John

Start deleting 'inactive' affiliates and you deserve to fail. Within reason they cost nothing to keep and a lot of very successful affiliates in this biz will rotate programs to keep sponsors fresh. Many will leave a sponsor for 12 months or more before bringing them back into rotation or until that sponsor fits a niche they're currently promoting.

I've been deleted as an affiliate due to this very reason.

Here's what happens with me. If I'm pushing Spunkycash and then it quits making sales for me. I quit pushing it. Then after a few months or whatever, I'll give it a try again and see what happens.

Badgirlbucks (Simon) deleted quite a few affiliates due to inactivity. Thats not a good way to do biz. You never know when someone will pick you back up and make you some good $$$...

nekrom · 12-17-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bake

They can download all your free content and then share it with there friends for one...(sic) and not link back to the sponsor anywhere?

Ahh gotcha, with you now mate. Yes on that aspect I agree. Perhaps the program needs to as others have said manualy appove affiliate access initaly to the program as well as make the aff prove they can send sales before giving them content access. But a tricky line to walk no doubt.

-N

Tryme · 12-17-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bake

They can download all your free content and then share it with there friends for one.
Now some might argue about all branding is good.
Some will argue that over exposing your content losses it inpact and good affilates will then not use you because your everywhere for free. Have you never come across a surfer private site with 5000 pics downloaded from the webmaster area and and not link back to the sponsor anywhere?

I think sites that people run ruin content alot more then guys signing up and getting content that way. Maybe you should look at yourself first.

Screaming · 12-17-2006, 06:36 PM

If I sign up to for a company it dont mean Im going to jump ship and switch traffic right then and there. I could just be checking things out or what not.

And even if I am not sending traffic, its prob best to not del my account.. As If I change my mind at a later point, and I have to sign back up, Like most people I would scratch my head and say to myself " I know I am signed up with this company all ready."

Bake · 12-17-2006, 06:41 PM

When I first started out (97)getting an affilate account wasnt very easy used to take a few emails min.
Plus back then sometimes you needed to show them what content you PURCHASED to promote them.
You needed to be doing 50 plus sales a week before there was anykind of free content offerd.

Bake · 12-17-2006, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tryme

I think sites that people run ruin content alot more then guys signing up and getting content that way. Maybe you should look at yourself first.

Im not really understanding this can you please post an example?

Missie · 12-17-2006, 06:52 PM

There's a big difference between affiliates not sending you traffic and surfers who just want access to free content. If you can't differentiate a legit affiliate from a freeloader surfer, what kind of sponsor are you?

Thing is not all adult webmasters do adult only, many also do mainstream as well. I've had domains for over 2 years that don't have a site to speak of yet, three of them for porn. There are only 24 hours in a day and too many sites to update, develop, keep up with, at some point something has to be set on the back burner and wait its turn. And that without a doubt also applies to those who do just porn.

One of my adult sites is nearly completed, one is getting there and the other one doesn't have anything at all, never even touched it yet. I never sent a single hit to some sponsors I have on those sites even though one of them I know I joined at least a year ago. If they were to delete me today because of this, I'd say the hell with them. All the links I did put up on a non published site would need to be replaced. Even if I did sign up again, it would be a new ref code so all the links would still need to be updated. I wouldn't trust that sponsor not to delete me again in the future. I would simply replace them with another one. As simple as that.

This subject comes up all the time in mainstream. So many merchants are quick on the delete button because you're not sending traffic and/or sales. Their loss in the end, because you never know who's going to be your next whale. With all the choices of porn sponsors, it's a lot easier to replace porn links than it is to replace mainstream merchants.

When you delete legit affiliates, you could be shooting yourself in the foot.

Missie

Bake · 12-17-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Missie

When you delete legit affiliates, you could be shooting yourself in the foot.

Missie

How can sponsor with automated join forms know the diffence between a surfer and a serious webmaster?
When sponsor's run big contest they get hundreds if not thousands of new affilates you cant go over those one at time by hand.

I think affilates these days believe sponsors should kiss there ass way more than they used to.
Why would you be so offended they cancelled your account because of inactivity you wouldent use them at a later date?
How is that a posative buisness decision if on a whim you think oh fuck them they cancelled me Im not sending them traffic.
If thats how you think I bet you cant send many sales anyway.

Missie · 12-17-2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bake

When sponsor's run big contest they get hundreds if not thousands of new affilates you cant go over those one at time by hand.

Really? So you're saying that a sponsor runs a big contest, affiliates sign up but don't even try to win it? How many of those hundreds, even thousands, of affiliates never send a single hit during the contest period? ALL of them?? Wow, there are a lot more stupid affiliates out there than I thought...

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I think affilates these days believe sponsors should kiss there ass way more than they used to.

Many sponsors wouldn't survive without affiliates. Would you? I don't know about the "old porn days", I wasn't part of the fun back then. But there's a ton of competition today, lots of programs to choose from. You sound like you're doing affiliates such a big favor by promoting YOU. Reality check!!! You're not the only sponsor out there. Affiliates are doing you a favor by promoting you over your competitors.

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Why would you be so offended they cancelled your account because of inactivity you wouldent use them at a later date?

It doesn't offend me, you're wasting my time. On to the next sponsor who values its affiliates more than you do.

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How is that a posative buisness decision if on a whim you think oh fuck them they cancelled me Im not sending them traffic.

And how is it a good business decision to delete affiliates who don't take any of your time, don't cost you a dime, don't bother you, but could be making you a ton of money in the future?

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If thats how you think I bet you cant send many sales anyway.

I won't be sending you any anytime soon.

Missie

The Ghost · 12-17-2006, 08:00 PM

Missie,

Bake also an affiliate as well. I can see where he is coming from, where as a program a couple of good affiliates can make or break a program. Though traffic is getting so scattered that most affilaites (and programs too) are really fighting over crumbs.

But there are other things to consider. P2P networks and high speed access, cheap mass storage has enabled any members to download entire sites, and share them over networks with little to no recourse.

But having a good screening process when a new affiliate applies is a good policy for any program to have, unless the program truly does not care about their content. And there are numerous programs choked full of non exclusive aged filler content. Product saturation is probably the best route they can take.

Missie · 12-17-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Ghost

But having a good screening process when a new affiliate applies is a good policy for any program to have, unless the program truly does not care about their content.

That was pretty much my point.

Funny you jump in, I looked at Island Dollars not long ago and I thought about having an Asian site, even looked up domain names for it. Probably a good thing I didn't join huh? lol It would probably be several months before I would even touch that site at all, so I wouldn't be sending any hits from the day I joined until then.

Would you delete me?

Missie

Juicy George · 12-17-2006, 08:13 PM

I just make sure before i activate each account i check out their website, and have a chat with them either via ICQ or email etc. In the last week i've had the same surfer try to sign up 4 times! You'd think he'd read my emails and maybe reply if he could justify joining.

69pornlinks · 12-17-2006, 08:17 PM

just screen the affiliate first...i've had mangers email after not sending any hits or very little and if I feel like the program isn't for me i tell them to delete my account. I usually sign up check out what they have and then go from there...i don't think many surfers are that savy to sign up as a webmaster just to get content, if they want some free content all they gotta do is go 'you know where'..

Nubiles · 12-17-2006, 08:19 PM

We review every webmaster before accepting them and we get many surfers who try to get in everyday, but sometimes real webmasters may not get approved. Its not a full proof system. I am sure some webmasters thought they were snubbed over when that wasnt the case. Also we always respond within 12 hours, and I know that pisses people off because they want to be able to join instantly and get setup.

The Ghost · 12-17-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Missie

That was pretty much my point.

Funny you jump in, I looked at Island Dollars not long ago and I thought about having an Asian site, even looked up domain names for it. Probably a good thing I didn't join huh? lol It would probably be several months before I would even touch that site at all, so I wouldn't be sending any hits from the day I joined until then.

Would you delete me?

Missie

We have never deleted a single webmaster account, nor would we. And would only suspend account in instances of fraud.

vod · 12-17-2006, 08:27 PM

take everyone and give them a sliding scale payout, if they perform they get more.... if they don't they get less ;
;

Missie · 12-17-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 69pornlinks

I usually sign up check out what they have and then go from there...i don't think many surfers are that savy to sign up as a webmaster just to get content, if they want some free content all they gotta do is go 'you know where'..

I always look at the sites before I sign up, sponsors who don't have clickable thumbs/links of their sites, I usually just x out and move on unless there's one that really grabs my attention or if it's something I really want.

You can't see what kind of promo tools are available until you become an affiliate. Sponsors that have the same banners for every single site with the only thing that changes is the name of the site really suck. I've been across quite a few of them, unfortunately. If I have no intention to promote them, I email them and let them know why.

I don't want my time wasted, so I try not to waste anyone else's time either.

Missie

Bake · 12-17-2006, 09:24 PM

One thing many many sponsors can do very well without affilates.
CCbill biggest customer only gets 20% of its sales from affilates.

12-17-2006, 04:57 PM	#1
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Big John Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Never never land Posts: 470	Start deleting 'inactive' affiliates and you deserve to fail. Within reason they cost nothing to keep and a lot of very successful affiliates in this biz will rotate programs to keep sponsors fresh. Many will leave a sponsor for 12 months or more before bringing them back into rotation or until that sponsor fits a niche they're currently promoting. __________________

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Screaming I can change this!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 18,972	If I sign up to for a company it dont mean Im going to jump ship and switch traffic right then and there. I could just be checking things out or what not. And even if I am not sending traffic, its prob best to not del my account.. As If I change my mind at a later point, and I have to sign back up, Like most people I would scratch my head and say to myself " I know I am signed up with this company all ready." __________________

12-17-2006, 06:41 PM	#15
Bake Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Outback of bumfuck Aussie Posts: 5,381	When I first started out (97)getting an affilate account wasnt very easy used to take a few emails min. Plus back then sometimes you needed to show them what content you PURCHASED to promote them. You needed to be doing 50 plus sales a week before there was anykind of free content offerd. __________________ Buy great domains from drunken burned out old webmaster CHEAP bullseyeporn.com art-met.com and more. Learn how to make a easy extra $500 per week Last edited by Bake; 12-17-2006 at 06:42 PM..

12-17-2006, 06:52 PM	#17
Missie Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 372	There's a big difference between affiliates not sending you traffic and surfers who just want access to free content. If you can't differentiate a legit affiliate from a freeloader surfer, what kind of sponsor are you? Thing is not all adult webmasters do adult only, many also do mainstream as well. I've had domains for over 2 years that don't have a site to speak of yet, three of them for porn. There are only 24 hours in a day and too many sites to update, develop, keep up with, at some point something has to be set on the back burner and wait its turn. And that without a doubt also applies to those who do just porn. One of my adult sites is nearly completed, one is getting there and the other one doesn't have anything at all, never even touched it yet. I never sent a single hit to some sponsors I have on those sites even though one of them I know I joined at least a year ago. If they were to delete me today because of this, I'd say the hell with them. All the links I did put up on a non published site would need to be replaced. Even if I did sign up again, it would be a new ref code so all the links would still need to be updated. I wouldn't trust that sponsor not to delete me again in the future. I would simply replace them with another one. As simple as that. This subject comes up all the time in mainstream. So many merchants are quick on the delete button because you're not sending traffic and/or sales. Their loss in the end, because you never know who's going to be your next whale. With all the choices of porn sponsors, it's a lot easier to replace porn links than it is to replace mainstream merchants. When you delete legit affiliates, you could be shooting yourself in the foot. Missie __________________ Looking for a clean sponsor that won't steal from you?check them out here!

12-17-2006, 08:00 PM	#20
The Ghost IslandDollars.com Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Icq: 176176 Posts: 12,188	Missie, Bake also an affiliate as well. I can see where he is coming from, where as a program a couple of good affiliates can make or break a program. Though traffic is getting so scattered that most affilaites (and programs too) are really fighting over crumbs. But there are other things to consider. P2P networks and high speed access, cheap mass storage has enabled any members to download entire sites, and share them over networks with little to no recourse. But having a good screening process when a new affiliate applies is a good policy for any program to have, unless the program truly does not care about their content. And there are numerous programs choked full of non exclusive aged filler content. Product saturation is probably the best route they can take. __________________ ISLAND DOLLARS 1000's of Exclusive TS scenes / Constant Updates Best TS Network your surfers will ever join

12-17-2006, 08:13 PM	#22
Juicy George Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aussie Posts: 289	I just make sure before i activate each account i check out their website, and have a chat with them either via ICQ or email etc. In the last week i've had the same surfer try to sign up 4 times! You'd think he'd read my emails and maybe reply if he could justify joining. __________________ MSN - [email protected] Yahoo - [email protected] AIM - juicygeorgy ICQ -392086396

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69pornlinks Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Heranus Posts: 5,560	just screen the affiliate first...i've had mangers email after not sending any hits or very little and if I feel like the program isn't for me i tell them to delete my account. I usually sign up check out what they have and then go from there...i don't think many surfers are that savy to sign up as a webmaster just to get content, if they want some free content all they gotta do is go 'you know where'.. __________________ It IS what it IS

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Nubiles Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 1,496	We review every webmaster before accepting them and we get many surfers who try to get in everyday, but sometimes real webmasters may not get approved. Its not a full proof system. I am sure some webmasters thought they were snubbed over when that wasnt the case. Also we always respond within 12 hours, and I know that pisses people off because they want to be able to join instantly and get setup. __________________ NUBILES.NET : Hosted galleries with thumbs and descriptions \| nn galleries \| Hosted free sites \| 3 new girls shot each week \| Icq 143674274

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Bake Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Outback of bumfuck Aussie Posts: 5,381	One thing many many sponsors can do very well without affilates. CCbill biggest customer only gets 20% of its sales from affilates. __________________ Buy great domains from drunken burned out old webmaster CHEAP bullseyeporn.com art-met.com and more. Learn how to make a easy extra $500 per week