Originally Posted by who (Post 11542972)

I think that those who believe everything the government says have some unnatural desire to 'hate' those who don't believe everything the government says.

What should be an intelligent argument where the opposing sides state their facts, their opinions, and their ideas, is always, always just one side calling the other side names. The government supporters do very little to make convincing arguments, other than calling their opponents 'stupid', insulting them, and making themselves look immature. Take 'scottybuzz' for example - has no idea what he's talking about, couldn't formulate an argument, other than saying people who believe in conspiracies are 'idiots'.

Franck if you want a proper discussion about this kind of large-scale conspiracy theory, you have to keep emotions out of it. And it doesn't help to be supported by people such as 'scottybuzz'.

If you believe the 911 crap was not a conspiracy, but someone else does, help prove to them that they are wrong! Opinions help in arguments, but need to be backed up by facts and evidence. I don't think anyone in here has any evidence one way or another.

Personally, I have looked at what I believe to be the 'facts' surrounding 911, I've looked at the official statements, and all the other stuff floating around, and I just can't accept the official position on it. Whether or not there was a huge-scale plot by the government to kill a bunch of people and destroy the towers - is not the issue. The issue is that many points the government has made are lies, many of the actual events and circumstances have been skipped, glossed over or manipulated. That constitutes a conspiracy. Thinking so does not make someone a 'conspiracy nut'.

I'm sure many facts the government released were true indeed - but even if they covered one minute detail up with false information - that creates a conspiracy.

Originally Posted by Franck (Post 11543347)

Aboslutely funny to see how the debris is already halfway the building that is still busy collapsing ahahaha. Oh wait, maybe the debris is moving faster than free fall speed right? Cant wait to hear what his explanation might be :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 11542994)

all the guy asked for was the title of the videos. maybe he was just looking to point out how wrong they were.. so far this thread hasnt involved any direct accusations of who was behind it.. just theories.. it would be silly to discout every theory based on the fact you can explain "some" of the evidence..

Apathy really should be a crime.. ( then again so should beating a dead horse )

Originally Posted by who (Post 11542972)

I think that those who believe everything the government says have some unnatural desire to 'hate' those who don't believe everything the government says.

What should be an intelligent argument where the opposing sides state their facts, their opinions, and their ideas, is always, always just one side calling the other side names. The government supporters do very little to make convincing arguments, other than calling their opponents 'stupid', insulting them, and making themselves look immature. Take 'scottybuzz' for example - has no idea what he's talking about, couldn't formulate an argument, other than saying people who believe in conspiracies are 'idiots'.

Franck if you want a proper discussion about this kind of large-scale conspiracy theory, you have to keep emotions out of it. And it doesn't help to be supported by people such as 'scottybuzz'.

If you believe the 911 crap was not a conspiracy, but someone else does, help prove to them that they are wrong! Opinions help in arguments, but need to be backed up by facts and evidence. I don't think anyone in here has any evidence one way or another.

Personally, I have looked at what I believe to be the 'facts' surrounding 911, I've looked at the official statements, and all the other stuff floating around, and I just can't accept the official position on it. Whether or not there was a huge-scale plot by the government to kill a bunch of people and destroy the towers - is not the issue. The issue is that many points the government has made are lies, many of the actual events and circumstances have been skipped, glossed over or manipulated. That constitutes a conspiracy. Thinking so does not make someone a 'conspiracy nut'.

I'm sure many facts the government released were true indeed - but even if they covered one minute detail up with false information - that creates a conspiracy.

Originally Posted by Franck (Post 11543317)

And it goes faster than the building collapsing so the building is NOT collapsing at free fall speed. Who told you that it did? .....

Originally Posted by elitegirls (Post 11542789)

So why were the towers falling at free fall speed?

Originally Posted by elitegirls (Post 11542789)

Not at free fall speed! But it was

Originally Posted by Scootermuze (Post 11543403)

He didn't say the bldg's fell at freefall speed.. He said close to freefall speed...
There is a difference..

You really should read things before gettin' yer drillies all in a wad.. :)

Originally Posted by 8 Characters (Post 11543350)

At least Nicholas Cage survived by hiding in an elevator shaft.

Originally Posted by elitegirls (Post 11545836)

franck, whats you're opinion on this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...llapse &hl=en

all the firefighters are nuts?

did you read following:

'Rebuilding America's Defenses' and the Project for the New American Century?

You better do.. Have fun with the neocons, the 4th reich, the bones man.. :D
And nafta, amero, national ID cards.. ups, i'm repeating my self..

Originally Posted by elitegirls (Post 11542789)

Period? Can you walk faster trough a closed door or trough a open door?
So why were the towers falling at free fall speed?

Which expert you're talkin' about? There many, saying it was an inside job.
In fact Larry Silvertein said live on regarding wtc7 TV, 'they made the decission to pull'... 'and they pulled it'..!

So know explain franck, how could wtc bulding 7 be pulled down - what means controlled demolition - on that day, coincedence? (WTC7 was NOT hit by an airplane!)


Franck, you don't seem to be the smartest person on gfy.. but please, be honest to yourself.













and ........








:321GFY

and yes, terrorstorm, as already mentioned, is really worth a look.
buy it at amazon.com

Originally Posted by who (Post 11542627)

The time t required for an object to fall from a height h (in a vacuum) is given by the formula t = sqrt(2h/g), where g is the acceleration due to gravity. Thus an object falling from the top of one of the towers (taking h = 1306 feet and g = 32.174 ft/sec2) would take 9.01 seconds to hit the ground if we ignore the resistance of the air and a few seconds longer if we take air resistance into account. The Twin Towers collapsed in 10 - 15 seconds, close to free fall.

Originally Posted by elitegirls (Post 11542976)

so you believe in TV crap I believe internet crap? bad argument for you.. you don't remeber the name, aren't interested in scientific facts .. u r just a simple, little morron waitin' to get fucked. :2 cents:

have fun with the amero, with the national id cards, with checkpoints and microchips.

wake up..


tzz shizzl ma nizzl

just for the record and people who haven't decided what to think about 9/11 (section for sheeples is above :D )



You mean the heavy steal columns, blown out of the towers? A serious sign for explosives inside the buildings.



Not at free fall speed! But it was, so you're next explaining the speed of the collapse :1orglaugh (if you don't understand why not at free fall speed, just read again my little example with the doors.. and read and read, until you get it..)



Sure it's heavy but each floor would slow down the process. There is concret and steal below .. no free fall possible.... -> no free fall speed of the whole collapse.. (@franck, got it? :winkwink: )



Stupid question.. See above.

Bye...

Originally Posted by elitegirls (Post 11545836)

franck, whats you're opinion on this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...llapse &hl=en

all the firefighters are nuts?

did you read following:

'Rebuilding America's Defenses' and the Project for the New American Century?

You better do.. Have fun with the neocons, the 4th reich, the bones man.. :D
And nafta, amero, national ID cards.. ups, i'm repeating my self..

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11547642)

I for one, am surprised the country isn't already ran by naive and retarded 20-somethings armed with youtube videos and conspiracy links to obscure websites. They seem to have all the answers, i say "lets give them a chance"!

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11547665)

I dont think that poster is "from" this country.... :2 cents:

Originally Posted by elitegirls (Post 11548461)

righty right baby!

i'm from that country hitlercame from.. and again there're marked similarities between hitler and bush. that's why i'm tryinig to help you guys.. but i see, you're too dumb, you'll never get it. have fun anyway :upsidedow

btw: prescott bush and the harriman clan basicly financed hitler.

do the math..

@francky panky: modern steel frame buildings shoudn't collapse and never have collapsed because of fire.. but i guess u even don't know what steel is, why highrise buildings are build with steel?

haven't a steel body? no? got obesity like more then 20% of all ppl in some states? even to stupid to eat :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by elitegirls (Post 11548461)

@francky panky: modern steel frame buildings shoudn't collapse and never have collapsed because of fire.. but i guess u even don't know what steel is, why highrise buildings are build with steel?

Originally Posted by elitegirls (Post 11548461)

righty right baby!

i'm from that country hitlercame from.. and again there're marked similarities between hitler and bush. that's why i'm tryinig to help you guys.. but i see, you're too dumb, you'll never get it. have fun anyway :upsidedow

Originally Posted by Franck (Post 11548533)

I kinda agree with you, like you said a building like that shouldnt just collapse because of fire..that might be true eventhough an intense fire can and will weaken the steel. But ok apart from that it seems you are forgetting a very small detail. A detail about the size of a huge ass plane that destroyed a good part of the building on those levels including the steel frames :1orglaugh