I've never heard of you before. What programs do you run or are involved with?

Spacedog?

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jace run http://www.tabithastoybox.net

she looks like a tranny, but hey that's not my biz. :1orglaugh

omfg, serge, is that you?

oh boy, fun times, now the trolls are going to start ripping into me...LOL..I am loving it hahahaha

Spacedog, I like you and your posts. I know you get a lot of shit from people, but you're one of the few guys here who actually asks questions and opens business related threads. I know that people will hate on anything you do, but some people are making very good posts that you should really think about. I'll give you my 2 cents.

Visa is essential to your program. We can argue whether it's 59%, 80%, or even 5%, it doesn't matter. Any percent of surfers that can't pay to join your site will hurt your conversion ratio. Even 1% increase in conversion rates can mean one sale for every 100 clicks you send a sponsor. It is why the best sponsors have cascaded billing, uber-fast speeds, and offer every payment option known to man. Every bit of traffic you receive is valuable, and you should be doing everything in your power to maximize it to the fullest for your affiliates.

Now the biggest factor is that your affiliates conversion ratios will suck. Sure you'll get some sales, make enough to get Visa, but you'll also kill the relationships of your first batch of affiliates. Is that $750 worth losing potentially long term affiliates and building a negative reputation as a program that doesn't convert? Regardless of what you say, not having Visa as a billing option on your site will signifigantly hurt your ratios. It will most likely double them.

So what I'm saying is that you have only one chance to make a first impression. Think of your time as an affiliate and how you'd react to signing up for a program that didn't convert. I give a sponsor a week or so, if I see nothing I like, they are never used again. So beg, borrow, or just wait till you have the money to get Visa. Heck, take a cash advance on your CC, get a title loan on your car, whatever you have to do. But don't fuck over your first set of affiliates to make a few bucks. If you're in this for the long haul, it's not worth hurting your reputation like this amongst new and potential affiliates.

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I don't care about your opinion. Please don't interrupt my posts again.

ROFL....um...ok...you just pasted an alexa graph of a site that I don't update anymore...haha...great

WOW, THAT IS SOME GREAT INVESTIGATIVE WORK!

jesus, when is GFY going to have some intelligent trolls again? I miss getting bashed in a intelligent manners, the new breed of trolls is so worthless

holy shit, I just realized I am internet fighting with the same person that internet fights with peaches

connectz>ignore

you posted your affiliation with nscash.com. That is the site they promote.

Good luck to you.

ya, but the problem is what if you have 5 webmasters that each send you 10 000 uniques (50k total) and only 1 or 2 people out of each 10K has something other than a visa? 50% or 80% of 0 is still 0. In order for anyone to get at least 15 joins they will have to send 100K+ uniques. That's where the problem is. No one here is saying that your sites suck.

What you need to do, and it was mentioned in this thread, is send traffic of your own to your site(s), get a small member base and use the money to get visa approval. After that you launch with a deal like this (80%) and I will guarantee that you would have many new affiliates join. Why? Because now they feel that they are not throwing their traffic away. Why would someone send you 1000's of hits and make almost nothing when they are making 100's of dollars or much more with the same traffic to another sponsor? That would not be financially wise.

Also, without visa whatever affiliate you manage to get will constantly see extremely shitty ratios (1:2000+) and drop you never to return. So, in the end, YOU lose. You don't want that, do you? You put your money into this and you want to make more money from it, right? Do the right thing and get visa before launching even for beta testing. trust me man. It will be much better for you this way.

Lets stop giving him tips. Fuck him. He will find out the hard way.

I know you plan on getting Visa so that's not this issue, and it's to late to stop things, but you can always change things :)

good luck with actually doing something instead of sigwhoring, surfing and complaining.

53.6%, actually. to the tune of just under a trillion dollars in 2004.

so take all your ratios on sites you send to and multiply them by 0.464. now you have what you're doing to affiliates.

it's like he's the first program who's ever started off without visa approval - jesus christ .....

Let me point out that just because a certain percentage of transactions, according to some reports, are visa, that does not necessarily mean that you lose that % of your sales right off the bat…

If you don’t have a visa card, you may still have/use a mastercard/jcb/discover card, etc….+ most people pay their credit card bills through their bank account, so you may be also open to billing them using an online check

Good luck with the release spacedog

they just like busting my balls cuz they all love me & want to see me do well :thumbsup

Funniest. Thread. In 2006.

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I still love you Spacedog. I hope I didn't come across as being negative. I tried what you are doing and it didn't work out well for me. I was just offering my incite from experience.

And Jace, most of those CC transactions were for Reuben sandwiches and and my Pumpkin Chili. I sell more of those than porn these days. If anyone wants the recipe, hit me up. :1orglaugh

nope,, not at all negative.. I have no issue with feedback or comments, etc.. I just wasn't particularly pleased with the manner of how franck chose to present the argument, among other things.

We'll see what he has to say when the visa is there & there's all exclusive solo girl site.

Thanks for pointing this out, corvette. I brought this up in a thread a few weeks ago and everyone essentially said that I was incorrect and that I'd straight out lose 80% of my sales if I didn't accept Visa.

spacedog, do you have a CC that isn't maxed out? If so, go to an ATM and withdraw $750 in cash. Even if you're charged some horrible interest rate it will be worth it in the long run. You need to get Visa approval ASAP.

did spacedog announce 96% payouts yet? or is he still satisfied with the results of the 80% payout offer?

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Its great isnt it. 2 new programs launch. 12clickscash and spacedogcash and franck does his very best to try and ruin both.


really, really nice guy.

hmmm. Both, of the owners seem like assholes to me.:)

yeh personally i think 12clicks is a bit of a dick, but that doesnt make me want to make me start numerous threads and replies about his program and about how are you stats are with 12xclickscash when he obviously doesnt promote them and has no intention of promoting them. and also nominating someone tool of the year who clearly has had the balls to build his own program and really work hard at it.

I understand frank was cristisizing and in a way trying to help them both, but he just kept going on and on about it. kinda sad if you have to resort to things like that IMO :Oh crap

I sale VISA, cheap

Very nice promo :thumbsup

No Visa no moonies no moonies no fun.Plus i realy there is no sense with publicize alpha beta and all other stages of program.Make it once work properly and then anounce program.

Did he pay you guys to reply with good comments? Oh wait, he can't even pay to have a site designed, your all just cock suckers.

His sites suck, I doubt he will even be around a year to pay this 80%.

Your an idiot. Do you even know either of them?


Franck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You

keep this thread going a few more days and we can nominate him for biggest dipshit of 2006 AND 2007


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Nice pro of that deal bro

I don't think spacedog is an asshole at all, just someone who is very keen, a little naive still, and sometimes gets a little out of his league. I really hope his prog works in the long run as I am sure he's put a lot of work into it; he just needs to learn not to ejaculate prematurely. :winkwink:

Sooooo funny :1orglaugh Here's a bump!

I think their reputations have done more to hurt their chances at success than anything Franck has written. Franck is not the first person to call 12clicks a scammer nor is he the first to make fun of spacedog.

I don't know either guys personally, don't know how well their programs are doing, don't know how smart they are either, but I do know that they have reputations on the board (whether it is fair or not) that is not just Franck's doing.

bumpity bump

Actually he did give you some very good advice!

hey spacedog, do you have Visa yet?

Nice promo.. heres a bump for you.

No, but he has Lawrence Conner, The Butcher and *********** on his side. So its not all bad :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

What's your major malfunction.. get off my ass.
You & all these other people know damn well it takes up to 30 days to get activated..


When it kicks in, I'll let you know..

If you want to promote my site, fine.. you can wait for visa to kick in,,,
If you don't, fine.
If you don't want to wait, I can hook you up with the verotel links because the verotel account has visa

Yes with Lawrence Conner and the butcher as the three dipshits together :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Thanks for confirming your identity you fuck.

LOL no probs, glad you finally worked it out :thumbsup

Yep, you're crazy...